Should Carthage be destroyed?

BGLover

Was Cato right? Did Carthage need to be destroyed? Maybe it's a bit late asking, but should Carthage be destroyed?

Diogenes42

My friends this does not even need to be questioned. You know Carthage to be the truest threat to our people and our way of life.

BGLover

Diogenes42, Your cynicism won't work on me. I vote to leave those elephant loving Carthagians in peace.

Chnapy

I have wondered which diogenes is the forty-second one, but I guess it's probably not this one.

SethDavis

While salting the earth was a bit much, and attacking them for defending themselves was a dick move, I can see why they would have done it. I would have stopped at destroying the walls though.

Ammar

But in Carthage the Brujah lives in harmony with all mortals. Where can they go now?

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killerrabbit

Yes, Carthage should be destroyed. While I have yet to travel to Carthage I somehow know that they worship a diety called Baal and sacrifice their children to it. Further, one Carthagian said something about the virility of Roman men that was very rude.

Clearly, the only option available to us to kill everyone and to sow the fields with salt.

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BGLover

This forum is clearly full of Rome apologists, and I admit that surprises me - because what have the Romans ever done for us?

Diogenes42

BGLover said:

This forum is clearly full of Rome apologists, and I admit that surprises me - because what have the Romans ever done for us?

The aqueduct.

BGLover

Well yes of course the aqueduct. That goes without saying. But apart from the aqueduct, what have they ever done for us?

killerrabbit

typo_tilly said:

killerrabbit said:

Clearly, the only option available to us to kill everyone and to sow the fields with salt.

With salt? Wow, that is hardcore! Clever-like rabbit.

Just to be clear -- this will result in pre-seasoned broccoli, right? Because that's what I'm after -- seasoned vegetables. That and dead Carthaginians of course.

Diogenes42

BGLover said:

Well yes of course the aqueduct. That goes without saying. But apart from the aqueduct, what have they ever done for us?

The sanitation! Remember what the city used to be like?

Buttercheese

I am sorry ... but elephants are so endearing ...

Autequi

Why is this even in question? Who else would Inspector Clouseau practice his martial arts with?

Leave Cartilage alone. It is an important structural element of the body.

deltago

In Civ5, I usually destroy them as soon as possible. The extra gold they get from free harbours adds up extermely quockly and they turn defensive mountains to their advantage.

Besides that, you really can not say how the world would have been shaped if Carthage wasnt destroyed.

Nimran

I was thinking more of the Green Hornet, myself...

Silverstar

Ammar said:

But in Carthage the Brujah lives in harmony with all mortals. Where can they go now?

We wouldn't even need The Masquerade if this utopia could've grown in popularity and become a global phenomenon.

ajwz

Hannibal should have marched on rome while he had the chance. Scpio was not as squemish

TheElf

Hannibal crossed the Alps, waded through the fire swamp, and even, if memory serves, took out his own eye because it got infected. He's like the closest thing in the real world to the Dread Pirate Roberts. Srsly, if you've never read about that war, I'd recommend it to anyone when they get the time.

Also, war elephants. Nuff said.

SethDavis

Those poor, poor war elephants....

Ayiekie

Absolutely not. Cothons were miracles of Classical engineering (seriously, they were super-cool, google image search it!); the Romans were just jealous.

GenderNihilismGirdle

I've said all this elsewhere but:

I am of the opinion that Carthage and Rome both have the potential to be fluid gates through which the cosmos can flow and congeal for a time in the shape of a City For All, and that overtures of peace and friendship should be made in the spirit of a camaraderie that both includes the unique character of each city and transcends the form which the city takes in an all-encompassing embrace. Why should Rome qua Romans suffer death overseas for Rome qua Roman state? Why should Carthage qua Carthaginians suffer death because of Rome qua Senatorial posturing?

Plus Cato tripped me in the Senate one time and I hit my head on the floor and he scurried away like he didn't mean for it to go that far but didn't want to face responsibility for his actions, so now I periodically pay his housekeepers to sabotage his clasp so his toga falls down during his wild gesticulations he makes during speeches in support of his war measures.

Anduin

Carthage should be destroyed for inventing the cart...

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I have no evidence.

BGLover

Diogenes42 said:

BGLover said:

Well yes of course the aqueduct. That goes without saying. But apart from the aqueduct, what have they ever done for us?

The sanitation! Remember what the city used to be like?

Yes, yes yes. Sanitation too. But apart from the aqueduct and sanitation, what have the Romans ever done for us?

On a side note, I am very glad to wake up and find Saving Carthage surging into the lead.

Skarose

It's where all the other progeny of Bhaal have gathered to plot our demise, only now they call themselves Baali.
~Tegyrius

Diogenes42

BGLover said:

Diogenes42 said:

BGLover said:

Well yes of course the aqueduct. That goes without saying. But apart from the aqueduct, what have they ever done for us?

The sanitation! Remember what the city used to be like?

Yes, yes yes. Sanitation too. But apart from the aqueduct and sanitation, what have the Romans ever done for us?

On a side note, I am very glad to wake up and find Saving Carthage surging into the lead.

And the roads...

BGLover

And yet, Diogenes42, despite the aqueducts and the sanitation and the roads, saving Carthage has now cemented its lead among forum members.

Besides, apart from the aqueducts and the sanitation and the roads, they've done nothing else for us, have they?

Diogenes42

Irrigation.

Medicine. Education. Health.

And the wine! That's something we'd really miss if the Romans left.

Public baths! And it's safe to walk in the streets at night now.

BGLover

Oh come on now. Next you'll be telling me the Romans are responsible for that fine game series 'Baldurs Gate'.

Let me put this debate to bed.

Where would Imperial Roman regalia be without Tyrian purple dye?

Yes, I know it wasn't strictly Carthage that developed the trade, but it was their Phoenician fathers who did.

So according to my classical education, the purple dye made from the mucus of the Murex snail beats your aqueducts and sanitation and roads and irrigation and medicine and education and health and public baths. Hands down.

(And I'm not giving the Romans wine either!)