It's possible to Gromir II-Khan be an relative to Dorn, but no direct one as being Bhaal Gromnir father and a human Dorn's mother, the possible of brothership relation between them is excluded.
for that happen, Bhaal would have to assume a half-orc identity, and from Dorn's history we aleady know that Dorn's father was an orc, not an half-orc.
I think maybe the bhaalspawn mechanics aren't as cut-and-dry as we've been theorizing. If Gromnir was in the same tribe as Dorn, it's unlikely that Gromnir's mother would have been a half-orc, and much more likely that she was a human slave (like Dorn's mother) that Bhaal, in the likeness of an orc, used to sire his child. The resulting child would be a half-orc, and...
It's possible to Gromir II-Khan be an relative to Dorn, but no direct one as being Bhaal Gromnir father and a human Dorn's mother, the possible of brothership relation between them is excluded.
Bhaal could have made two different human women pregnant as an orc.
I really think that it is possible Dorn and Gromnir are half-brothers in the same way as they are half-brothers with the PC and Sarevok.
I don't think he's Bhaalspawn. The story references his father, who is an orc. Unless mother had a tryst with Bhaal who had assumed the avatar of an orc, and the fact that Dorn was illegitimate was a family secret.
You guys are all overlooking that the one thing these two have in common is their surname. Which they took from their clan (and MAYBE their respective fathers). This means that while we have no reason to think that Dorn is anything else that the "regular" son of a human woman and a Il-Khan orc, AS HIS BACKGROUND STORY THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING INDICATES... Gromnir could be the son of Bhaal and a half-orc woman of the Il-Khan clan (I didn't see any information about her mother being human), taking his surname from his mother and clan of adoption. Alternatively, and even more likely, Gromnir could have got his surname from the orc or half-orc that was SUPPOSED to be his father, REGARDLESS of who his mother was, and whether or not any of the people involved knew from the beginning that he was really a Bhaalspawn.
I don't think he's Bhaalspawn. The story references his father, who is an orc. Unless mother had a tryst with Bhaal who had assumed the avatar of an orc, and the fact that Dorn was illegitimate was a family secret.
I believe that a new bhaalspawn can be an infraction of the original content maybe (by the way i'm already pissed off with this fucking clause of non-changes in the original content).
@kamuizin eh, if he was going to be a bhaalspawn, it would have been part of their original contract agreement when they proposed the idea. One of those "exception to the rule" scenarios.
I'm not saying he is or isn't (I don't live in @Dave or @PhillipDaigle's heads), but if he were, it would have been negotiated a while ago.
I think that no matter the form Bhaal takes, the offspring becomes the race of the mother. I am pretty certain we never see a Bhaalspawn who is anything but the race of their mother, so that if Dorn was a Bhaalspawn, he'd be human, not a half-orc. I don't see anything which says that Bhaalspawn inherited anything from Bhaal but his essence, and the powers derived therefrom.
@Aosaw Didn't he start to spawn them before the time of troubles? It never became clear to me in the game and I never read the books about the Bhaalspawn saga.
I don't think Dorn is a Bhaalspawn. It just seems very unlikely to me. The story mentions his father (presumably a full-blooded orc) and his mother (a human) so how does Bhaal fit into this picture, actually? Just makes no sense from a narrative viewpoint. Dorn could as well have inherited his bloodlust from his father.
@Aosaw Didn't he start to spawn them before the time of troubles? It never became clear to me in the game and I never read the books about the Bhaalspawn saga.
Yeah, we deduced in another thread on the subject that he must have started 'spawning' earlier than the ToT based on the ages of the Bhaalspawn encountered in the game.
He can be the son of a bhaalspawn, even son of Gromnir (if the devs change their background history for this), but more than this i don't believe to happen.
If Bhaal is lawful evil why arent his offspring automatically lawful evil? Can someone explain why Bhaal even is lawful and no chaotic...? Because murder is calculated and such uh?
lol that's obvious, bhaal didn't made a clone, he made a children, and even a clone wouldn't be locked in lawful evil also.
My only true misunderstand about this is why a lawful evil deity has his realm in the abyss, instead of the nine hells. Well, this is a bit confuse anyway, when the party enter on the pocket plane of SoA final chapter, some characters say it's the abyss, others say it's the nine hells. Cespenar made some direct affirmatives that the pocket plane is in the abyss (if i'm not wrong).
My only true misunderstand about this is why a lawful evil deity has his realm in the abyss, instead of the nine hells. Well, this is a bit confuse anyway, when the party enter on the pocket plane of SoA final chapter, some characters say it's the abyss, others say it's the nine hells. Cespenar made some direct affirmatives that the pocket plane is in the abyss (if i'm not wrong).
I've always wondered about that as well, since Bhaal's realm (the Thone of Blood) is/was in Gehenna.
@hellhound Since murder is the intentional, unlawful killing of someone, it never made sense to me either why Bhaal is Lawful Evil.
@Tanthalas Good point. Since laws vary from society to society, lawfulness isn't simply about following the laws of the land. Bhaal's lawful-evilness could be more about methodical and organized killing, as opposed to the mindless slaughter embraced by Chaotic Evil war gods (Greyhawk's Erythnul comes to mind).
Hes not a Bhaalspawn, no need to keep thinking that he is. Despite the fact that I believe its not the same thing, and that the children of a god would not be subjected to the same rules as a normal human would, the fact would remain that if he was a Bhaalspawn he would be the pc's sibling. Since he is a romancable character, that would probably cause an uproar from people who cant differentiate between a gods child and a regular child, hence, he is not a Bhaalspawn.
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I'm gonna skip the obvious joke about Dorn's heritage and go straight to saying that the voice acting is AWESOME!!
Yeah, genetics don't work so well in D&D.
I really think that it is possible Dorn and Gromnir are half-brothers in the same way as they are half-brothers with the PC and Sarevok.
Which they took from their clan (and MAYBE their respective fathers).
This means that while we have no reason to think that Dorn is anything else that the "regular" son of a human woman and a Il-Khan orc, AS HIS BACKGROUND STORY THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING INDICATES...
Gromnir could be the son of Bhaal and a half-orc woman of the Il-Khan clan (I didn't see any information about her mother being human), taking his surname from his mother and clan of adoption.
Alternatively, and even more likely, Gromnir could have got his surname from the orc or half-orc that was SUPPOSED to be his father, REGARDLESS of who his mother was, and whether or not any of the people involved knew from the beginning that he was really a Bhaalspawn.
I'm not saying he is or isn't (I don't live in @Dave or @PhillipDaigle's heads), but if he were, it would have been negotiated a while ago.
It's kind of like if you mated with the avatar of a god. It's not the same as mating with the god itself.
Tieflings aren't automatically evil either, same for Aasimars and good alignment.
My only true misunderstand about this is why a lawful evil deity has his realm in the abyss, instead of the nine hells. Well, this is a bit confuse anyway, when the party enter on the pocket plane of SoA final chapter, some characters say it's the abyss, others say it's the nine hells. Cespenar made some direct affirmatives that the pocket plane is in the abyss (if i'm not wrong).
@hellhound Since murder is the intentional, unlawful killing of someone, it never made sense to me either why Bhaal is Lawful Evil.