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All you wanted to know about the next Beamdog's project

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  • VallmyrVallmyr Member, Mobile Tester Posts: 2,361
    scriver wrote: »
    Vallmyr wrote: »
    If I can play Piro as an actual gnome glamour bard I will be the MOST excited. I absolutely adore the 5e ruleset.

    I think it will be extremely unlikely that the game will feature Unearthed Arcana content, though.

    ...At least before expansion pack 1 ;)

    I mean, it's published in Xanathar's, I'm hoping the game launches with all official published stuff. Or maybe they'll let it get modded in.

  • PsicoVicPsicoVic Member Posts: 199
    edited June 7
    Now that Larian has BG3, I hope beamdog will do Neverwinter nights 2 EE... (wishful thinking)

  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 9,035
    PsicoVic wrote: »
    Now that Larian has BG3, I hope beamdog will do Neverwinter nights 2 EE... (wishful thinking)

    Pretty sure Obsidian owns the rights to NWN2. Beside, Trent doesn't like it. I don't think its ever going to happen.

  • rapsam2003rapsam2003 Member Posts: 1,623
    ThacoBell wrote: »
    Theft is fine? Because unless Beamdog sold the story because they wanted too, that's what it is. Not like this is at all confimed. Anything is just guessing at this point.
    Beamdog was denied the chance to make BG3. That's all we can guess. Anything else isn't worth speculating upon.

    ThacoBell
  • Luke93Luke93 Member, Mobile Tester Posts: 1,178
    ThacoBell wrote: »
    PsicoVic wrote: »
    Now that Larian has BG3, I hope beamdog will do Neverwinter nights 2 EE... (wishful thinking)

    Pretty sure Obsidian owns the rights to NWN2. Beside, Trent doesn't like it. I don't think its ever going to happen.

    KOTOR 3? That would be awesome....

  • rapsam2003rapsam2003 Member Posts: 1,623
    edited June 7
    Luke93 wrote: »
    ThacoBell wrote: »
    PsicoVic wrote: »
    Now that Larian has BG3, I hope beamdog will do Neverwinter nights 2 EE... (wishful thinking)

    Pretty sure Obsidian owns the rights to NWN2. Beside, Trent doesn't like it. I don't think its ever going to happen.

    KOTOR 3? That would be awesome....
    KOTOR 2 is also owned by Obsidian. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Knights_of_the_Old_Republic_II:_The_Sith_Lords

    That said, they'd have get approval from Lucas Arts, which is owned by Disney now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LucasArts

    ThacoBell
  • scriverscriver Member Posts: 1,775
    Vallmyr wrote: »
    scriver wrote: »
    Vallmyr wrote: »
    If I can play Piro as an actual gnome glamour bard I will be the MOST excited. I absolutely adore the 5e ruleset.

    I think it will be extremely unlikely that the game will feature Unearthed Arcana content, though.

    ...At least before expansion pack 1 ;)

    I mean, it's published in Xanathar's, I'm hoping the game launches with all official published stuff. Or maybe they'll let it get modded in.

    Oh, it's published? I misremembed. That makes it a tiny bit more likely to be included.

  • GenderNihilismGirdleGenderNihilismGirdle Member Posts: 1,333
    The thread will stay as there is always the next project.

    I'd like to give a small update, considering it was I who wrote the OP here.

    PST:EE indeed turned to be the next game if we go back to April 2016.

    The second idea in the OP was about a new D&D game (the third idea was about IWD2, but that is known to be ruled out because the source code of the game couldn't be found). Seeing questions about that, and also taking into account it was I who started this thread, I'd like to link the following updates which have become public knowledge over the years.

    At one moment in 2016, Dave said: "For the sake of argument, let's pretend we were making a D&D game of some kind." I guess this is the source of comments like the one by @kanisatha "You guys promised us a NEW D&D cRPG several years ago."

    https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/60003/david-gaider-needs-a-list/p1

    However, in November 2017 we said a new Planescape game was not in the works at Beamdog.

    http://blog.beamdog.com/2017/11/a-note-about-that-planescape-concept-art.html

    In February 2018 we said farewell to Dave.

    http://blog.beamdog.com/2018/02/farewell-to-dave.html

    This month we replied to a question about whatever Dave worked on in Beamdog.

    "That’s a very good question, and not one I’m able to answer at this time, I’m afraid." https://www.beamdog.com/news/beamdog-q-may-2019/

    Yesterday Phil shared on Twitter that the mind flayer in paladin armor from Thea's art was from a game that "got cancelled".

    Dave said the wound was still fresh.

    Phil confirmed they were talking about a Planescape game.

    I understand that there are people who want to measure us by a benchmark of a D&D game. But in gaming not all the projects see the light of a day.

    This really looks like WotC took Beamdog's pitch and gave at least a sketch/outline of it, if not more, to Larian. Kind of a loser move on WotC's part if you ask me, but I'm really glad some of the good ideas Beamdog generates will get all the razzledazzle of a Larian title if that underhanded move on WotC's part is the case.

    That said, might not've happened. Just speculating! Sure hope Beamdog comes out swinging with a big unique story of their own sometime in the next few years though, I really want to see what they can do with an isometric RPG title that they build themselves from the ground up!

    ThacoBellStummvonBordwehr
  • megamike15megamike15 Member Posts: 1,675
    ThacoBell wrote: »
    PsicoVic wrote: »
    Now that Larian has BG3, I hope beamdog will do Neverwinter nights 2 EE... (wishful thinking)

    Pretty sure Obsidian owns the rights to NWN2. Beside, Trent doesn't like it. I don't think its ever going to happen.

    it also does not need one. nwn 2 does not have as many issues running on modern pcs as 1 did.

  • rapsam2003rapsam2003 Member Posts: 1,623
    megamike15 wrote: »
    ThacoBell wrote: »
    PsicoVic wrote: »
    Now that Larian has BG3, I hope beamdog will do Neverwinter nights 2 EE... (wishful thinking)

    Pretty sure Obsidian owns the rights to NWN2. Beside, Trent doesn't like it. I don't think its ever going to happen.

    it also does not need one. nwn 2 does not have as many issues running on modern pcs as 1 did.
    I'd bet anyone who has used NWN2's autodownloader would beg to differ. But we're not getting a NWN2 EE.

  • 1varangian1varangian Member Posts: 313
    NWN2:EE would overlap way too much with NWN:EE.

    What we need is either Beamdog making NWN3 for 5e, or NWN: EE getting beefy expansions that will transform it into a modern looking (3.5e) game.

  • rapsam2003rapsam2003 Member Posts: 1,623
    edited June 8
    1varangian wrote: »
    NWN2:EE would overlap way too much with NWN:EE.

    What we need is either Beamdog making NWN3 for 5e, or
    Do you really think, if Beamdog didn't get to develop BG3, they'll be granted Neverwinter Nights 3? No thanks, give that to Obsidian. We KNOW Obsidian can develop original games, as they've churned out a few gems in recent years.
    1varangian wrote: »
    NWN: EE getting beefy expansions that will transform it into a modern looking (3.5e) game.
    Uwotm8?

    The community already made up for the gaps between 3rd Edition and 3.5, with a plethora of mods. Unless you're making some silly comment about graphics, I don't know what you mean. Also, absolutely no one in the NWN EE community, as a whole, will bother with a NWN EE expansion. They might buy it, but they're be more annoyed than anything, because they'd have to update their multiplayer servers.

    kanisatha
  • RaduzielRaduziel Member Posts: 4,455
    edited June 8
    NWN2 works way worst on my PC than NWN. And I know at least six other people who has the same complaint - the game is unplayable actually. Despise graphics requirements being attended, the character lags all the time. It keeps moving on the same spot and then jumps to a new location. Annoying as hell.

    Not doing it because "Trent doesn't like it" is a very amateur way to conduct business. I want to believe that there is a more solid reason for not doing it.

    If "player agency" was a requirement - and based on SoD's lame parley scene - I do understand why Beamdog was cut off.

    And considering that SoD's writers were ordered to make the dialogues shallow/short I'm really glad that it is not Beamdog who is doing BG3.

    Considering it will be a brand new adventure I can say that Larian already have my money.

    rapsam2003lefreutDapifer
  • rapsam2003rapsam2003 Member Posts: 1,623
    Raduziel wrote: »
    And considering that SoD's writers were ordered to make the dialogues shallow/short I'm really glad that it is not Beamdog who is doing BG3.
    Looking back on it, I think SoD's writers really screwed the pooch. The game had a lot of potential. But it's sad when you can look at SoD, then hear folks who've never played it before and want to play BG1 & 2 again ask, "Is SoD a requirement?" And you have to respond, "I don't think it is. It'd have been a good game if it wasn't attached to the Baldur's Gate series, but it's not a strong addition to the series. Play it if you want to."

    The reason I call that sad is, the Baldur's Gate games remain some of my favorite and most loved games. SoD? I can't honestly say it matches up.

  • kanisathakanisatha Member Posts: 538
    Yeah NwN2 probably doesn't need an EE, but I sure would love having it be available through Steam.

  • typo_tillytypo_tilly Member Posts: 5,653
    rapsam2003 wrote: »
    Raduziel wrote: »
    And considering that SoD's writers were ordered to make the dialogues shallow/short I'm really glad that it is not Beamdog who is doing BG3.
    Looking back on it, I think SoD's writers really screwed the pooch. The game had a lot of potential. But it's sad when you can look at SoD, then hear folks who've never played it before and want to play BG1 & 2 again ask, "Is SoD a requirement?" And you have to respond, "I don't think it is. It'd have been a good game if it wasn't attached to the Baldur's Gate series, but it's not a strong addition to the series. Play it if you want to."

    The reason I call that sad is, the Baldur's Gate games remain some of my favorite and most loved games. SoD? I can't honestly say it matches up.
    To be fair, I honestly say this about ToB. I can't remember the last time I've played through it. It was always a big let down for me. Some people also skip a lot of TotSC. Some runs, you want to do it all. Other times, you skip a bunch.

    BelgarathMTHArvia
  • ShapiroKeatsDarkMageShapiroKeatsDarkMage Member Posts: 2,393
    typo_tilly wrote: »
    rapsam2003 wrote: »
    Raduziel wrote: »
    And considering that SoD's writers were ordered to make the dialogues shallow/short I'm really glad that it is not Beamdog who is doing BG3.
    Looking back on it, I think SoD's writers really screwed the pooch. The game had a lot of potential. But it's sad when you can look at SoD, then hear folks who've never played it before and want to play BG1 & 2 again ask, "Is SoD a requirement?" And you have to respond, "I don't think it is. It'd have been a good game if it wasn't attached to the Baldur's Gate series, but it's not a strong addition to the series. Play it if you want to."

    The reason I call that sad is, the Baldur's Gate games remain some of my favorite and most loved games. SoD? I can't honestly say it matches up.
    To be fair, I honestly say this about ToB. I can't remember the last time I've played through it. It was always a big let down for me. Some people also skip a lot of TotSC. Some runs, you want to do it all. Other times, you skip a bunch.

    At least ToB gives Charname's journey a closure.

    typo_tillymegamike15Raduziel
  • typo_tillytypo_tilly Member Posts: 5,653
    Of course there are good things about it. But if you want to restart after defeating Irenicus, ToB is safe to skip. I find BG1 and 2 far more fun to muck about in.

    BelgarathMTH
  • rapsam2003rapsam2003 Member Posts: 1,623
    typo_tilly wrote: »
    To be fair, I honestly say this about ToB. I can't remember the last time I've played through it. It was always a big let down for me. Some people also skip a lot of TotSC. Some runs, you want to do it all. Other times, you skip a bunch.
    The major difference is, ToB actual adds an important story closure element. It may take awhile to get to that important choice at the end of ToB, but no one can deny its importance as a story element of the saga. It closed a major plothole.

    SoD didn't really add anything of substance; in fact, SoD's story is downright awkward at times, due to the fact that it was trying to squish itself between two different long established games.

  • megamike15megamike15 Member Posts: 1,675
    typo_tilly wrote: »
    rapsam2003 wrote: »
    Raduziel wrote: »
    And considering that SoD's writers were ordered to make the dialogues shallow/short I'm really glad that it is not Beamdog who is doing BG3.
    Looking back on it, I think SoD's writers really screwed the pooch. The game had a lot of potential. But it's sad when you can look at SoD, then hear folks who've never played it before and want to play BG1 & 2 again ask, "Is SoD a requirement?" And you have to respond, "I don't think it is. It'd have been a good game if it wasn't attached to the Baldur's Gate series, but it's not a strong addition to the series. Play it if you want to."

    The reason I call that sad is, the Baldur's Gate games remain some of my favorite and most loved games. SoD? I can't honestly say it matches up.
    To be fair, I honestly say this about ToB. I can't remember the last time I've played through it. It was always a big let down for me. Some people also skip a lot of TotSC. Some runs, you want to do it all. Other times, you skip a bunch.

    the only bits of tosc i skip is durlag's tower as i'm not into those types of dungeons [ same reason i don't do watchers keep] and just stick to the rest of it.

    typo_tillyBelgarathMTH
  • typo_tillytypo_tilly Member Posts: 5,653
    Durlag's Tower is the bulk of TotSC. Sometimes I'll skip Durlag's Tower, ice island, or wolf island. Always visit the farmer, though. :)

  • RaduzielRaduziel Member Posts: 4,455
    TotSC is bad. The Ice Island plot looks like something coming from a lazy DM "yeah... So he teleports you guys and there is this maze with some wizards and... Oh yeah, you need to get a cloak. Let's do it because my girlfriend wants to watch a movie". But it adds Durlag's Tower and I'm a dungeon crawler. The Werewolf Island is kind of cool - to get in touch with the past is BG's founder is something to cherish.

    ToB is bad. I think the power curve is bad planned giving +3 weapons to every John Doe and the damn HLAs - also the fact that it is railroaded AF turns me off. But it gave us Watcher's Keep - a dungeon inline with BG2 challenges. It also puts us in front of the decision if becoming a god or not, a classic ending for D&D (the first one) parties - all the way to Lv 1 to Godhood.

    SoD is bad. It would be ok if it was a new title (a la Icewind Dale) but as a BG story it is kind of lost. Nothing interesting is added (the Temple of Bhaal is cool, but too short to be considered a proper dungeon), the story is more railroaded than the one presented in ToB. I have the feeling that I took my Ravenloft character and started to play with him in a Dark Sun campaign; cool, better than putting my character on a shelf, but totally out of place. Also the writing is... IDK. Odd? Looks like no one really wants to talk, the feeling I have is that the NPCs are as bored with the campaign as I was.

    Icewind Dale could make a better narrative with basically a druid, a narrator and some loose dialogues.

    typo_tilly
  • wildfirewildfire Member Posts: 68
    What D&D game will Beamdog work next?

  • rapsam2003rapsam2003 Member Posts: 1,623
    typo_tilly wrote: »
    Defeating Irenicus gives almost as much story closure -- as in I could imagine charname living their life presented in the epilogue endings immediately after dealing with Irenicus -- with ToB only adding the ascend or not ascend decision in its endgame.
    I mean, it doesn't though. The saga isn't ended until "Ascend or Not Ascend". It's a massive plothole.

    Now, is ToB "good"? No, it's not. It's boring and feels rushed. But it does complete the story. That has been my only point about ToB.

    megamike15typo_tilly
  • StummvonBordwehrStummvonBordwehr Member, Mobile Tester Posts: 653
    Hmm. I like SoD, and it has become canon BG in my book.

    I would have loved to have seen the BG3 announcement coming from Beamdog and not Larian - it would be a guarantee for quality content and respect for the history/heritage imho.

    But since that door is closed I hope for new expansions for NWN:ee. Perhaps an epic adventure for level 1 characters ending as epic adventures. A compelling new story with a mind flayer in a paladin armour? The

    ThacoBelltypo_tilly
  • lefreutlefreut Member Posts: 1,413
    Raduziel wrote: »
    TotSC is bad. The Ice Island plot looks like something coming from a lazy DM "yeah... So he teleports you guys and there is this maze with some wizards and... Oh yeah, you need to get a cloak. Let's do it because my girlfriend wants to watch a movie". But it adds Durlag's Tower and I'm a dungeon crawler. The Werewolf Island is kind of cool - to get in touch with the past is BG's founder is something to cherish.

    I wouldn't called it bad as you said yourself that you like 2/3 of it :)

    ThacoBelltypo_tilly
  • BelgarathMTHBelgarathMTH Member Posts: 5,319
    megamike15 wrote: »
    typo_tilly wrote: »
    rapsam2003 wrote: »
    Raduziel wrote: »
    And considering that SoD's writers were ordered to make the dialogues shallow/short I'm really glad that it is not Beamdog who is doing BG3.
    Looking back on it, I think SoD's writers really screwed the pooch. The game had a lot of potential. But it's sad when you can look at SoD, then hear folks who've never played it before and want to play BG1 & 2 again ask, "Is SoD a requirement?" And you have to respond, "I don't think it is. It'd have been a good game if it wasn't attached to the Baldur's Gate series, but it's not a strong addition to the series. Play it if you want to."

    The reason I call that sad is, the Baldur's Gate games remain some of my favorite and most loved games. SoD? I can't honestly say it matches up.
    To be fair, I honestly say this about ToB. I can't remember the last time I've played through it. It was always a big let down for me. Some people also skip a lot of TotSC. Some runs, you want to do it all. Other times, you skip a bunch.

    the only bits of tosc i skip is durlag's tower as i'm not into those types of dungeons [ same reason i don't do watchers keep] and just stick to the rest of it.

    I started skipping Werewolf Island after Siege of Dragonspear added a bug where a second greater wolfwere spawns just outside the starting town, long before you can get the weapons of Balduran to deal with it.

    typo_tilly
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 9,035
    Wait, really? I've never seen that. Are you sure its not a mod issue? This is the first I've heard of it.

    StummvonBordwehrmegamike15
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