Ok, I thought I searched carefully, but I never found the golem manual for Adamantite golems (regular set, volume 6). I consoled one in for Imoen, but I'm now curious where I would have found one?
That manual is a bit harder to find. It is split in two parts which can be found somewhere in areas accessible from the ToB part of the game. Cespenar can combine them for you.
Should we use the AI tweaks with SCS? If so, what should the install order be?
May we make cross mod content with your Golem Construction mod? I ask since I'm working with another on a crafting mod and constructs seemed like a logical inclusion.
This tweak is primarily aimed at games without advanced combat scripting. I don't have much experience with SCS, or tactical mods in general, but I don't think SCS will consider the changes made by that component.
Where's the best place in the install order to install this mod on EET?
Thankee!
I'm not aware of any major issues with other mods, so basically any order between EET and EET_end is alright. For best compatibility you should install it before the Djinni Companion mod, though.
To clarify, can all arcane casters make golems with this mod? Just CHARNAME? Someone else?
Yes, all spellcasters in the party (and to a limited degree thieves and clerics) can construct golems, provided they meet the level and stat requirements.
Regarding the question where to install the mod I may have some answers.
From my experience the Improve enemy spellcaster AI component needs to be installed before SCS. That way the Smarter Mages AI component of SCS installs without the issues. Probably you could install Improve enemy spellcaster AI component after SCS Smarter Mages AI but I did not test it.
Another thing. Golems for enemy spellcasters should be installed after Almateria Restoration Mod or the component Restored Random Encounters from Alma mod will install with warnings. Alma mod adds bandits encounters to the area scripts AR0043.BCS and AR0044.BCS. But Argent Golem mod restores those bandits and even provides for them to have golem
IF
OnCreation()
THEN
RESPONSE #100
CreateCreature("REBAND01",[488.558],NE) // Bandit
CreateCreature("REBAND02",[500.454],NE) // Bandit
CreateCreature("REBAND03",[552.476],NE) // Bandit
CreateCreature("REBAND04",[427.548],NE) // Bandit
CreateCreatureObject("A7!GXST1","REBAND04",10,0,0) // Lesser Stone Golem
CreateCreature("REBAND05",[525.591],NE) // Bandit
END
The Alma's component will see it already restores bandits and get confused (the component will install with warnings)
Wildness_original.baf from Alma Restore Encounters component:
IF
OnCreation()
THEN
RESPONSE #100
CreateCreature("REBAND01",[488.558],10)
CreateCreature("REBAND02",[500.454],10)
CreateCreature("REBAND03",[552.476],10)
CreateCreature("REBAND04",[427.548],10)
CreateCreature("REBAND05",[525.591],10)
END
Regarding the question where to install the mod I may have some answers.
From my experience the Improve enemy spellcaster AI component needs to be installed before SCS. That way the Smarter Mages AI component of SCS installs without the issues. Probably you could install Improve enemy spellcaster AI component after SCS Smarter Mages AI but I did not test it.
Another thing. Golems for enemy spellcasters should be installed after Almateria Restoration Mod or the component Restored Random Encounters from Alma mod will install with warnings.
Thanks for looking into it.
SCS uses their own combat scripts, that's why the mage script improvements installed by the Golem Construction mod won't affect SCS-improved mages (regardless of installation order). You can safely skip the "Improve enemy spellcaster AI" component in that case.
It looks like Almateria's Restoration Project uses a very narrow script check for restoring random encounters. Any changes made to the respective area scripts before that component will cause the checks to fail. Installing "Restored Random Encounters" from Almateria's Restoration Project first will work around this issue.
I'll add these notes to the compability section of the readme.
Something came up when installing along Klatu's tweaks, even when both alone on a fresh install. Any of their rule change components, like free action, immediately give me this error:
DELETE_BYTES out of bounds - file is long 1314, point given is 1986, bytes were 0
ERROR: [A7!EQMA.ITM] -> [override/A7!EQMA.ITM] Patching Failed (COPY) (Failure("DELETE_BYTES out of bounds"))
Stopping installation because of error.
I can find A7!EQMA.itm only in this mod.
I don't particularly mind, Klatu's is outdated and not that important to me, and Golem Construction seems to have installed fine, so I'm happy. But I figured you might want a heads up in the unlikely case this might signal a potential problem on your end.
@argent77 I managed to reduce the suspects to the "Reduce weapon immunities and resistances for constructed golems" component. The main component alone isn't enough to make it trigger, and it's the only component that makes changes to A7!EQMA.ITM.
So basically for a sure way to trigger the error:
-Golem Construction ability for spellcasters
-Reduce weapon immunities and resistances for constructed golems
-Klatu: Free Action does not prevent Haste or Movement Rate Bonus
I'm sorry, I can't understand how I could build a golem. I've just finished the "Find mimic's blood for Jermien the Cowled Wizard" quest, and "golem construction workshop" triggered - Umar Hills area.
However I can't find anything to click in Jermien's house, except containers.
I'm sorry, I can't understand how I could build a golem. I've just finished the "Find mimic's blood for Jermien the Cowled Wizard" quest, and "golem construction workshop" triggered - Umar Hills area.
However I can't find anything to click in Jermien's house, except containers.
What should I do? Thanks
You gain the "Construct Golem" ability by using a tome of golem building on your character. These tomes can be purchased or found all across the game. Put them into the quick slot of your character and use it. Afterwards you can use this ability to build golems in any of the places mentioned by the journal entries about Golem Construction Workshops.
To successfully build golems you'll also have to meet certain requirements (e.g. min. character level, or certain ingredients). These are outlined in the golem tomes.
Thanks for the quick reply, I realized only after your explanation that there's the suggestion to place on the quick item slot on the description in game of the tomes
Another question: I'm currently on 6.2, is possible to update to 6.3? I never update a BG mod, is enough to override the files or is there another procedure? I'm with a eet installation
And a potential report: if I edit a savegame with EE keeper, the char lose the memorization of the golem already learned; so it's necessary to give him a new tome via the editor to re-learn the golem - the abilities themselves remain even with no golem memorized.
Another question: I'm currently on 6.2, is possible to update to 6.3? I never update a BG mod, is enough to override the files or is there another procedure? I'm with a eet installation
And a potential report: if I edit a savegame with EE keeper, the char lose the memorization of the golem already learned; so it's necessary to give him a new tome via the editor to re-learn the golem - the abilities themselves remain even with no golem memorized.
If you're not familiar with how modding IE games work, the safest (and even faster) way to update is to just reinstall everything from the ground up and start a new game, no previous saves. Any other method risks messing things up.
EE Keeper is also known for messing saves some times. It's fine for quickly checking information, but if you want to edit a save, you'd be safer learning how to do it with NearInfinity, even if it's a more complex app.
And here is bone doll found it on the net. I have vol. 2 of the golem construction tome. It says for xp'ed necromancers but Arkion only wants to construct golem dolls not bone dolls. Who should I go to speak? I offed Ragefast and Ramazith...
I have vol. 2 of the golem construction tome. It says for xp'ed necromancers but Arkion only wants to construct golem dolls not bone dolls. Who should I go to speak? I offed Ragefast and Ramazith...
The golem mod is pretty cool. I love the idea of building golems.
Obtaining all items can be a bit annoying though. Perhaps you could add another bag of holding or so? Perhaps a "bag of ingredients" or so, where we can specifically use it to put down ingredients such as body parts.
> If you're not familiar with how modding IE games work, the safest (and even faster) way to update is to just
> reinstall everything from the ground up
I actually had problems with that and it took like 2 hours to reinstall all mods. Since that time, I no longer recommend
weidu + reinstallation everything. I think that is a flawed idea of weidu to reinstall everything as-is. Some mods overwrite vanilla files too and create issues lateron even after a re-installation.
The best, of course, is to have an installation order where re-installation never is necessary to begin with. And some mods should best be avoided. Of course finding out which ones are to be avoided is not trivial. I have my own list that keeps on changing over time.
Nudging people to help fix the code base can also help; some mods that had issues at one point in time, had these issues fixed at a later time.
One bug I can report is that when I re-entered the golem stronghold, Edwin suddenly babbled about the transformation being complete, e. g. from his side quest. But I finished that side quest already and Edwin kept on repeating this every ~3 seconds as if stuck in a perma-loop. No clue how that was triggered but it was then triggered when I re-entered the golem / mage stronghold, so I think something must have triggered it.
Also perhaps a new item could be added, Book of Golem Creation (or the book re-used that we can find originally) and the pages could be inserted into that book, and then the book used to learn all the pages there. So kind of a single book to have the individual pages, rather than dumping the inventory or bag of holding with that stuff. Item management is sooooooo hard in BG2 ... I can no longer play the game without bag of holding and keyrings to store keys.
Two doll golems are only ones available in BG1? Are there any new Golems available for construction in SoD?
In SoD you can finally start constructing golems yourself. Flesh Golems (and I think even Clay and Stone Golems) are available, and one of the exotic golem types.
This may be a small issue, but the scaling of the golems is a bit confusing.
I understand that the mod uses smaller and larger golems, so my complaint
isn't about that; instead, if you look at the iron golem, they look like titans.
If anyone is maintaining the mod, could the size comparison be reviewed?
Iron golems should perhaps be a little smaller and the tiniest clay golems
a bit larger. Rest I think is semi-okish. Also it would be nice if there could be
some sign or something added into the planar sphere, explaining the
differences. (Perhaps it was in a book but I tend to drop books, so a
sign would be better IMO.)
This may be a small issue, but the scaling of the golems is a bit confusing.
I understand that the mod uses smaller and larger golems, so my complaint
isn't about that; instead, if you look at the iron golem, they look like titans.
If anyone is maintaining the mod, could the size comparison be reviewed?
Iron golems should perhaps be a little smaller and the tiniest clay golems
a bit larger. Rest I think is semi-okish.
Baldur's Gate is a 2d game. Scaling (animated) objects is very difficult to get right. The smaller golem variants were reduced by 50% which probably results in the least visual degradation. Fractional scaling will certainly result in even worse quality. It would also greatly increase the mod archive size for very little gain since I would have to provide even more sets of creatures animations.
Also it would be nice if there could be
some sign or something added into the planar sphere, explaining the
differences. (Perhaps it was in a book but I tend to drop books, so a
sign would be better IMO.)
The golem tomes contain sufficient information about how to construct the various golem types. You're certainly free to throw the tomes away after using them, but then you have to find out the requirements elsewhere. Btw, there is already a whole document in the mod folder dedicated to explain the various golem variants in detail.
I don't think it makes much sense to add a sign or something like that to the Planar Sphere since it is only one of many places where golems can be constructed. And it isn't a learning center for building golems either. I doubt that Lavok needed a "Beginner's Handbook of Golem Construction" lying around for reference.
Tried installing this mod along with Raduziel's Universal Wizard Spells v2.8 and the Wand Case mods, but it cashes my game to crash each time. Are these mods incompatible?
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That manual is a bit harder to find. It is split in two parts which can be found somewhere in areas accessible from the ToB part of the game. Cespenar can combine them for you.
May we make cross mod content with your Golem Construction mod? I ask since I'm working with another on a crafting mod and constructs seemed like a logical inclusion.
Thankee!
Thankee!
I'm not aware of any major issues with other mods, so basically any order between EET and EET_end is alright. For best compatibility you should install it before the Djinni Companion mod, though.
Thankee!
Yes, all spellcasters in the party (and to a limited degree thieves and clerics) can construct golems, provided they meet the level and stat requirements.
From my experience the Improve enemy spellcaster AI component needs to be installed before SCS. That way the Smarter Mages AI component of SCS installs without the issues. Probably you could install Improve enemy spellcaster AI component after SCS Smarter Mages AI but I did not test it.
Another thing. Golems for enemy spellcasters should be installed after Almateria Restoration Mod or the component Restored Random Encounters from Alma mod will install with warnings. Alma mod adds bandits encounters to the area scripts AR0043.BCS and AR0044.BCS. But Argent Golem mod restores those bandits and even provides for them to have golem
IF OnCreation() THEN RESPONSE #100 CreateCreature("REBAND01",[488.558],NE) // Bandit CreateCreature("REBAND02",[500.454],NE) // Bandit CreateCreature("REBAND03",[552.476],NE) // Bandit CreateCreature("REBAND04",[427.548],NE) // Bandit CreateCreatureObject("A7!GXST1","REBAND04",10,0,0) // Lesser Stone Golem CreateCreature("REBAND05",[525.591],NE) // Bandit ENDThe Alma's component will see it already restores bandits and get confused (the component will install with warnings)
Wildness_original.baf from Alma Restore Encounters component:
IF OnCreation() THEN RESPONSE #100 CreateCreature("REBAND01",[488.558],10) CreateCreature("REBAND02",[500.454],10) CreateCreature("REBAND03",[552.476],10) CreateCreature("REBAND04",[427.548],10) CreateCreature("REBAND05",[525.591],10) ENDThanks for looking into it.
SCS uses their own combat scripts, that's why the mage script improvements installed by the Golem Construction mod won't affect SCS-improved mages (regardless of installation order). You can safely skip the "Improve enemy spellcaster AI" component in that case.
It looks like Almateria's Restoration Project uses a very narrow script check for restoring random encounters. Any changes made to the respective area scripts before that component will cause the checks to fail. Installing "Restored Random Encounters" from Almateria's Restoration Project first will work around this issue.
I'll add these notes to the compability section of the readme.
DELETE_BYTES out of bounds - file is long 1314, point given is 1986, bytes were 0 ERROR: [A7!EQMA.ITM] -> [override/A7!EQMA.ITM] Patching Failed (COPY) (Failure("DELETE_BYTES out of bounds")) Stopping installation because of error.I can find A7!EQMA.itm only in this mod.
I don't particularly mind, Klatu's is outdated and not that important to me, and Golem Construction seems to have installed fine, so I'm happy. But I figured you might want a heads up in the unlikely case this might signal a potential problem on your end.
So basically for a sure way to trigger the error:
-Golem Construction ability for spellcasters
-Reduce weapon immunities and resistances for constructed golems
-Klatu: Free Action does not prevent Haste or Movement Rate Bonus
Changelog:
Any plans to include a spell that dominates enemy Constructs a la control construct except likely with a save vs. spell?
No plans yet, but I'll make a note about the spell since it would fit into the mod.
However I can't find anything to click in Jermien's house, except containers.
What should I do? Thanks
You gain the "Construct Golem" ability by using a tome of golem building on your character. These tomes can be purchased or found all across the game. Put them into the quick slot of your character and use it. Afterwards you can use this ability to build golems in any of the places mentioned by the journal entries about Golem Construction Workshops.
To successfully build golems you'll also have to meet certain requirements (e.g. min. character level, or certain ingredients). These are outlined in the golem tomes.
Another question: I'm currently on 6.2, is possible to update to 6.3? I never update a BG mod, is enough to override the files or is there another procedure? I'm with a eet installation
And a potential report: if I edit a savegame with EE keeper, the char lose the memorization of the golem already learned; so it's necessary to give him a new tome via the editor to re-learn the golem - the abilities themselves remain even with no golem memorized.
EE Keeper is also known for messing saves some times. It's fine for quickly checking information, but if you want to edit a save, you'd be safer learning how to do it with NearInfinity, even if it's a more complex app.
Nice!
And here is bone doll found it on the net. I have vol. 2 of the golem construction tome. It says for xp'ed necromancers but Arkion only wants to construct golem dolls not bone dolls. Who should I go to speak? I offed Ragefast and Ramazith...
There is a second necromancer in the city with a shady reputation. See this comment for more details: https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/comment/1150813/#Comment_1150813
Obtaining all items can be a bit annoying though. Perhaps you could add another bag of holding or so? Perhaps a "bag of ingredients" or so, where we can specifically use it to put down ingredients such as body parts.
> If you're not familiar with how modding IE games work, the safest (and even faster) way to update is to just
> reinstall everything from the ground up
I actually had problems with that and it took like 2 hours to reinstall all mods. Since that time, I no longer recommend
weidu + reinstallation everything. I think that is a flawed idea of weidu to reinstall everything as-is. Some mods overwrite vanilla files too and create issues lateron even after a re-installation.
The best, of course, is to have an installation order where re-installation never is necessary to begin with. And some mods should best be avoided. Of course finding out which ones are to be avoided is not trivial. I have my own list that keeps on changing over time.
Nudging people to help fix the code base can also help; some mods that had issues at one point in time, had these issues fixed at a later time.
One bug I can report is that when I re-entered the golem stronghold, Edwin suddenly babbled about the transformation being complete, e. g. from his side quest. But I finished that side quest already and Edwin kept on repeating this every ~3 seconds as if stuck in a perma-loop. No clue how that was triggered but it was then triggered when I re-entered the golem / mage stronghold, so I think something must have triggered it.
Also perhaps a new item could be added, Book of Golem Creation (or the book re-used that we can find originally) and the pages could be inserted into that book, and then the book used to learn all the pages there. So kind of a single book to have the individual pages, rather than dumping the inventory or bag of holding with that stuff. Item management is sooooooo hard in BG2 ... I can no longer play the game without bag of holding and keyrings to store keys.
In SoD you can finally start constructing golems yourself. Flesh Golems (and I think even Clay and Stone Golems) are available, and one of the exotic golem types.
I understand that the mod uses smaller and larger golems, so my complaint
isn't about that; instead, if you look at the iron golem, they look like titans.
If anyone is maintaining the mod, could the size comparison be reviewed?
Iron golems should perhaps be a little smaller and the tiniest clay golems
a bit larger. Rest I think is semi-okish. Also it would be nice if there could be
some sign or something added into the planar sphere, explaining the
differences. (Perhaps it was in a book but I tend to drop books, so a
sign would be better IMO.)
Baldur's Gate is a 2d game. Scaling (animated) objects is very difficult to get right. The smaller golem variants were reduced by 50% which probably results in the least visual degradation. Fractional scaling will certainly result in even worse quality. It would also greatly increase the mod archive size for very little gain since I would have to provide even more sets of creatures animations.
The golem tomes contain sufficient information about how to construct the various golem types. You're certainly free to throw the tomes away after using them, but then you have to find out the requirements elsewhere. Btw, there is already a whole document in the mod folder dedicated to explain the various golem variants in detail.
I don't think it makes much sense to add a sign or something like that to the Planar Sphere since it is only one of many places where golems can be constructed. And it isn't a learning center for building golems either. I doubt that Lavok needed a "Beginner's Handbook of Golem Construction" lying around for reference.