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  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 7,811
    So every republican’s new favourite whipping lady, Ocasio-Cortez and Markey just released The Green Deal and the repbulican’s response to it was “LoL”

    Now there is some fundamental flaws in it for sure. I think they are dreaming that they can bring the whole nation to carbon neutral in such a short time while not severely crippling the economy and Nuclear power is still a must in any low emmisions plan.

    However, at least it is written out and planned so that it can be talked about and debated on how it could possibly work or a way to find a compromise that at least makes it a dream goal.

    Compare that to let’s say the Repbulican’s big government push, THE WALL, where there is nothing but a blathering idiot insisting he gets 5.75 billion for it now.

    I find the shear dismissiveness of the Green Deal by the Republican Party very ignorant and childish, but look who they are taking their lead from.
  • semiticgoddesssemiticgoddess Member Posts: 14,903
    I think the very sudden and very negative reaction to Ocasio-Cortez is due solely to the fact that she's a young and popular politician who is going to be a powerful Democrat for decades into the future, and they need to find some way to discredit her. I remember someone bringing up a Fox news segment earlier in the thread in which the anchors were trying to come up with insulting nicknames for Ocasio-Cortez on the air, which I found to be a sure sign that they decided that she was the bad guy before they actually had a reason.

    You don't need to be a political mastermind to realize that AOC is going to be around for a very long time, and she is going to be popular. That means that the GOP needs to destroy her. But I don't think an anti-AOC attack campaign is going to work, even if it worked fairly well against Clinton.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    The story coming out about Jeff Bezos being blackmailed by the National Enquirer was one thing today (where they essentially told him to have his reporters at the Washington Post back off or they would release nude photos of him). But now we also have this from the VERY reliable Ronan Farrow:



    We KNOW from court documents that the Enquirer and Pecker are basically an extension of Trump's business apparatus. He uses the publication the way the mob uses low-level enforcers to get the points on loans. It's not hard to see where all this leads to. Now Farrow is saying he was issued the same threats for even attempting to dig deeper on the Trump/Enquirer connection. As I have said a hundred times, this is not an Administration, it is organized crime masquerading as government.
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    Finally! Because of the Measles outbreak in Washington state, Anti-Vaxxers are getting their kids vaccinated. "Vaccination rates were up 500% in January in Washington due to a measles outbreak that has gripped the southwest portion of the state. Individuals that have been hesitant to vaccinate have been requesting two forms of the vaccine in clinics around Clark County. Doctors are thrilled to help improve the vaccination rates in the area, but some are distressed it took an outbreak for people to vaccinate their children."
    I'm distresssed, too. But as long as they get their kids vaccinated, hey, it's a good thing, right?

    And some more good news. The Supreme Court blocked the Louisiana Abortion Law, so women are safe fro that for now..
  • BallpointManBallpointMan Member Posts: 1,659
    LadyRhian wrote: »
    And some more good news. The Supreme Court blocked the Louisiana Abortion Law, so women are safe fro that for now..

    This is a (potentially) significant development. I dont mean to start a debate on abortion here (lord knows we've done that one a time or four). I'm more interested in how the supreme court is looking to deal with Roe v Wade adjacent rulings. There have been two schools of thought on how this would all play out since Kavanaugh replaced Kennedy.

    A - Some people (myself included) though that the Court would swing significantly to the right and we'd see Roe die by 1,000 cuts through laws like the one struck down today.

    B - Others thought that Chief Justice Roberts values the independence and legacy of the court, and that he would move more to the center in order to keep the court from just being blatantly partisan 5-4 split on every political issue.

    So far - this ruling is a step in the direction of saying he'll move to the center. It's only a single vote, and each case will have its own mitigating circumstances... but it's a potentially positive step to see court moving in this direction (I wonder if he privately objects to the whole Merrick Garland fiasco, and feels compelled to moderate even a little bit. That's unfounded speculation, but I wonder...)

    Also of note is that Kavanaugh dissented. His dissent was separately written, and suggested that he thought the ruling was too hasty since there was going to be some kind of a review session to see exaclty how the law would shake out of the next 45 days. Color my unconvinced. Most people expect him to vote to either undermine or eliminate Roe altogether. He knows he's being watched very closely on this since he affirmed his devotion to precedent in all the hearings. I'm sure Susan Collins is watching too. As soon as he loses his cover for these votes, they'll be thrown at her every day leading up to 2020.
  • semiticgoddesssemiticgoddess Member Posts: 14,903
    John Dingell, the longest-serving Congressional representative at 59 years from 1955 to 2015, has called for the public funding of elections, universal voter registration, and the abolition of the Senate.
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    John Dingell passed away yesterday, as I understand. He "inherited" the seat from his father, and now his wife occupies the same seat.
    https://www.yahoo.com/gma/former-rep-john-dingell-longest-serving-member-congress-023008641.html?.tsrc=notification-brknews
    (I say yesterday as to me it's after midmight already.

    And speaking of the Supreme Court, did you know that Susan Collins has received more money from the supporters of Brett Kavanaugh than she did from the people of Maine?
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/susan-collins-brett-kavanaugh-money_us_5c59d656e4b00187b5558da0?utm_source=politics_fb&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013&section=politics&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=hp_fb_pages&fbclid=IwAR2UoQ_l8Q7C6fm4PmGvhaT7QabBbeV3Zsbxn7A_vqkMCk4rfQnPFCz-Y5M
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,964
    Didn't Susan Collins pretend she was totally convinced Kavanaugh wouldn't try to undermine abortion rights the first chance he got. Well that was a lie as usual from an elected Republican.

    We the people tell them repeatedly 'hey you're making a mistake do something different'. They just ignore it and lie about their reasons. Same stuff happened with the GOP tax scam.

    We said "hey let's not pass this crap in the middle of the night that benefits the 1% and corporations and will explode the debt". They did exactly that anyway.

    We said Brett Kavanaugh is a liar and a sexual predator and a terrible pick for the supreme Court. Republicans voted him in anyway.

    The Republican party is totally corrupt. They have completely lost their way towards Russian style kleptocracy. Truly the party of Trump. I hope voters are paying attention because right now the Republican party is, to use a Trump phrase, the enemy of the people.
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    And now AMI, owners of the National Enquirer, have gone after Jeff Bezos, owner of Amazon and someone the President considers a personal enemy. Since they are supposed to stay out of politics, and they are now blackmailing Jeff Bezos because he tried to find out who was behind their attacks on him, they are frantic that Jeff Bezos revealed they were blackmailing him with more of his own tweets and unspecified pictures of him to make him get off the case. He just called them out publically on their blackmail.

    If they are doing this on behalf of Trump and/or Russia, stick a fork in them- their goose is wholly and absolutely cooked.
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,964
    LadyRhian wrote: »
    And now AMI, owners of the National Enquirer, have gone after Jeff Bezos, owner of Amazon and someone the President considers a personal enemy. Since they are supposed to stay out of politics, and they are now blackmailing Jeff Bezos because he tried to find out who was behind their attacks on him, they are frantic that Jeff Bezos revealed they were blackmailing him with more of his own tweets and unspecified pictures of him to make him get off the case. He just called them out publically on their blackmail.

    If they are doing this on behalf of Trump and/or Russia, stick a fork in them- their goose is wholly and absolutely cooked.

    I believe they are doing it on behalf of Trump. Not Trump/Russia just Trump.

    Trump's a petty asshole. Bezos owns the Washington Post which Trump doesn't like because it's not full of lies that pretend Trump is the best like Fox News or Breitbart. Also Bezos is richer by far than Trump and Trump gets really insecure about things like that. Those two reasons alone explain Trump's hatred of Bezos.
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    Yeah, and if it can be proved they did this for Trump, which is a political thing, which they are explicitly charged not to do, Their goose is sompletely cooked.

    BTW has anyone else noticed that the "Edit" button seems to have disappeared? I tried to edit my posts on the humor thread to make them all in one. No dice.
  • Grond0Grond0 Member Posts: 7,457
    LadyRhian wrote: »
    Yeah, and if it can be proved they did this for Trump, which is a political thing, which they are explicitly charged not to do, Their goose is sompletely cooked.

    BTW has anyone else noticed that the "Edit" button seems to have disappeared? I tried to edit my posts on the humor thread to make them all in one. No dice.

    Indeed, I noted this morning that I'm going to have to be more careful about composing posts ...
  • FinneousPJFinneousPJ Member Posts: 6,455
    This is quite interesting

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/feb/07/the-class-pay-gap-why-it-pays-to-be-privileged

    It's about the UK but probably applies many other countries as well. In Finland I'm lucky enough to benefit from socialised university education ;)
  • BillyYankBillyYank Member Posts: 2,768
    AOC lays it on the line

    I doubt any of this comes as a surprise to anyone who follows this thread, but I like how she spells it out, quick and easy. There's definitely some people I know who I'll be sending this link to.
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,964
    Skatan wrote: »
    From an outside perspective, and only from very shallow reading, it's very interesting and disturbing to hear about the evolution of American politics into the gigantic turmoil turd it is now. USA is not the only country that is going this way though of course (Turkey, Hungary etc), but it is the biggest one and has the largest impact on the world scene.

    I wonder how long it will take for either the people to wake up from their slumber and throw this government out or for the government to start creating bs laws to start consolidate their powers, abolish free speech that is anti-governmental, and incarcerate "wrong-thinkers", the latter as has been seen in ie Russia, Turkey etc.

    Speaking of how outsiders are viewing how the Republican party has been governing...

    Here's a article from a Canadian perspective that asks the question that has to be on everyone's mind as an outsider:

    Are Americans just stupid?
    https://www.nationalobserver.com/2017/11/15/opinion/are-americans-just-stupid

    Why even have to ask the question?
    Here are the bullet points:
    -Electing Republicans who want to dismantle their health care system
    -Tolerating a corrupt, undemocratic electoral system
    -No gun control
    -Jailing more of their citizens than anywhere else
    -They watch Fox News
    -They spend more money on defense - for no reason
    -Sixty-three million Americans voted for Trump

    I'd say Americans aren't stupid but they fall for stupid arguments from Fox news (and right wing media) for Republican corruption.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    BillyYank wrote: »
    AOC lays it on the line

    I doubt any of this comes as a surprise to anyone who follows this thread, but I like how she spells it out, quick and easy. There's definitely some people I know who I'll be sending this link to.

    The fact is, even Republican voters hate money in politics. They have just somehow become convinced that, of all people, Donald Trump was the man to buck the system, when in fact all he has done is take what used to be done in the shadows and is now just essentially taking cash payouts delivered in large sacks to all of his properties. The moral of the story is apparently, if you are going to be corrupt, go all the way, and then double and triple down on it so there is SO much out in the open corruption that it becomes the new normal.
  • semiticgoddesssemiticgoddess Member Posts: 14,903
    BillyYank wrote: »
    AOC lays it on the line

    I doubt any of this comes as a surprise to anyone who follows this thread, but I like how she spells it out, quick and easy. There's definitely some people I know who I'll be sending this link to.
    It's a very succinct way to point out the ethical problems behind our system. AOC appears to have a handle on the issue, and she's bringing it out in the open. Good news.
  • BillyYankBillyYank Member Posts: 2,768
    Are Americans just stupid?
    https://www.nationalobserver.com/2017/11/15/opinion/are-americans-just-stupid

    Why even have to ask the question?
    Here are the bullet points:
    -Electing Republicans who want to dismantle their health care system
    It was created by a brown person.
    -Tolerating a corrupt, undemocratic electoral system
    ...That keeps brown people from voting.
    -No gun control
    I need my gun to protect me from the scary brown people.
    -Jailing more of their citizens than anywhere else
    They're mostly brown people, so it's all good.
    -They watch Fox News
    Blonde people with perfect teeth are inherently more trustworthy
    -They spend more money on defense - for no reason
    The world is full of scary brown people.
    -Sixty-three million Americans voted for Trump
    He said he'd protect us from the scary brown people and make the brown people pay for it.


    Just kidding... mostly.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited February 2019
    This Whitaker hearing.....my god. These people are NOT ready for a separate branch of government holding them accountable. Like, AT ALL. This guy is an absolute joke. How he became the top law enforcement officer in the country is an absolute travesty. It's going to become abundantly clear very quickly just how much the GOP House was shielding this White House from the sunlight. Guy sits there and CONFIRMS that the DOJ was not tracking where children went after taking their parents into custody, even though he also admits that they were under the custody and were their responsibility of the DOJ at the time. Weren't even bothering to track where the kids went. Think on it.
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  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    Seems clear that Ralph Northman isn't going to resign over the yearbook issue, but Lt. Gov. Fairfax now pretty much has to in light of a second VERY serious allegation. Virginia Democratic party needs to get a primary challenger to Northman ready now. Neither of these men can credibly lead. As I have been saying, run more women for office.
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,964
    jjstraka34 wrote: »
    This Whitaker hearing.....my god. These people are NOT ready for a separate branch of government holding them accountable. Like, AT ALL. This guy is an absolute joke. How he became the top law enforcement officer in the country is an absolute travesty. It's going to become abundantly clear very quickly just how much the GOP House was shielding this White House from the sunlight. Guy sits there and CONFIRMS that the DOJ was not tracking where children went after taking their parents into custody, even though he also admits that they were under the custody and were their responsibility of the DOJ at the time. Weren't even bothering to track where the kids went. Think on it.

    Pretty sure regressive conservatives watched the clips from Whitaker and are "yeah! He's owning teh libs!"

    Dems need to quit pretending that this is politics as normal. The Trump administration seems to be a criminal conspiracy.

    Trump is literally breaking the law today apparently by ignoring a request from Congress to present findings on the Jamal Koshoggi murder.

    The White House refused to meet the legal requirement by Friday's deadline.

    "The law is clear," said Juan Pachon, spokesman for the Democratic side of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. "The President has no discretion here. He's either complying with the law or breaking it."

    Well he's breaking it.
  • BallpointManBallpointMan Member Posts: 1,659
    edited February 2019
    jjstraka34 wrote: »
    Seems clear that Ralph Northman isn't going to resign over the yearbook issue, but Lt. Gov. Fairfax now pretty much has to in light of a second VERY serious allegation. Virginia Democratic party needs to get a primary challenger to Northman ready now. Neither of these men can credibly lead. As I have been saying, run more women for office.

    Governors in Virginia are term limited to a single term. Northram cannot run again under any circumstance.

    The original thought process was to push Northram to resign, making Fairfax the new Governor. Allegedly (I've heard, not researched it myself) Fairfax would have been allowed to seek a second full term as Governor had it worked out this way.

    Of course, that's all a bit moot given allegations against Fairfax and the A.G.'s admission of using blackface... I dont really know what happens next.

    Essentially, if Northram resigns, I dont see a way that a Democrat stays in office. Maybe that's for the best at this point. Holding onto power for the sake of party is dumb, given the significance of current events.
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    edited February 2019
    Today, the Republicans begged Democrats in the house to not go after Trump's Tax returns. Because they say the personal information in people's tax returns should be sacred (except if you're a Democrat or brown, of course!)
    "The congressmen said if Democrats weren't satisfied with the annual audits, FBI background checks and existing financial disclosures the president is subject to, they should “legislate a thoughtful solution to require additional disclosures” rather than “weaponizing our nation’s tax code” by targeting political adversaries." Right... like Trump would NEVER do that...
    Trump has said his Tax Returns are under Audit. But audits don't prevent Tax Returns from being released.

    Kentucky Governor Matt Bevin has said Bloodshed might be needed to protect consevatism. Oh, poor boy! If you need bloodshed to protect a point of view, maybe that point of view can't survive on its own. And maybe everyone has forgotten what true conservatism IS. Hyperbole makes a comeback, but he's talking about actual physical violence. ::Sigh:: Some days, sometimes, I feel like it isn't even worth waking up.

    Meanwhile, another conspiracy is blaming Obama for Layoffs among the reporters, saying that the journalists were paid to be left-wing propogandists. Really? People are idiots.

    And, echoing the complaints of some people here on their taxes, middle class people are finding out they have to pay more in taxes, and many Trump supporters are enraged about this, thus leading tothe hashtag #TrumpTaxScamStories trending on Twitter. Instead of mocking them, Democrats said they deserve sympahty, having been sold a bill of goods by Trump. Many are saying they will never vote for Trump again after trusting him once. It's looking bad for the Trumpster.

    The Virginia Governor is tagged for dressing in a racist way in his Medical yearbook, and a second woman has come forward to accuse the Lt. Governor of sexually assaulting her when they were in college together. He needs to go as well as the Governor.
  • WarChiefZekeWarChiefZeke Member Posts: 2,669
    Although the Green New Deal doesn't really have any concrete and practical policy proposals, it doesn't really matter because it's a step in the right direction. It's a statement of values. It's more persuasive than anything Republicans have. What are they gonna run on, let corporations drive species into extinction because jawbs? They deserve losing on this issue until they wise up. Utopian ideas beat no ideas.

    After the Virginia Governor's little fiasco came out, the Lt. Governor was hit with several rape allegations and was claimed to have said "f--k that b---h" when asked about it in private. Multiple demands for him to resign as well now. What's going on in Virginia!
  • semiticgoddesssemiticgoddess Member Posts: 14,903
    @WarChiefZeke: I wouldn't have assumed you'd view the Green New Deal as a step in the right direction.

    Regarding the "brown people" thing, let's not stereotype the conservative argument as if it's all based on the fear of brown people. We've got a fringe group that definitely has some of those fears, but conservatism as a collection of ideologies isn't based on fear of brown people any more than liberalism is based on the fear of white people.
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    I saw an anti-democrat cartoon on DeviantArt, where people were actually saying, in Regards to Ruth Bader-Ginsberg, "I thought she was dead when Dorothy killed her. Oh, wrong witch." WYF? How do you hate her so much?
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