The Senate voted to proceed to the next step of voting on Kavanaugh's confirmation. One Democrat and one Republican apparently may still switch their votes by the final vote, but with a 51-49 split and with Pence on hand to break a tie, it seems very likely that Kavanaugh will be confirmed.
Barring some major reversal, we're about to have a multiple time perjurer on the Supreme Court.
Of course the FBI investigation is rigged now that they didn't find anything. It can't possibly be that there isn't any evidence, has never been, and that false charges were being pushed with no regard for the truth. Questioning the FBI on this thread just months ago was heresy because Mueller. Funny how quickly things change.
How anyone of the left-leaning persuasion cannot be completely disillusioned at this point is beyond me. In 2 of the last 5 elections, we've won the popular vote and lost the Presidency. Even when our candidate wins by a massive electoral AND popular amount, he isn't allowed to make his pick for the Supreme Court. The Senate which handles these nominations is so massively favored in power dynamics towards states where relatively no one lives (including mine) that it isn't even funny. This system of government is broken. I don't see how this kind of frankly oppressive minority rule is sustainable. Getting more votes isn't even remotely enough. You also have to win a geographical and demographic chess game in which the odds are stacked against you at every turn.
I'm pretty sure as evidenced by the thousands of people taking to the streets and protesting this garbage that people are also motivated to stop the destruction of America and the embrace of facism by the Republican party as well.
Haven’t you heard. They are paid professionals according to the president. Soros has them all in his pocket.
Bless him. He's so rich he supports tens of millions of people, a true pillar of the economy. Or is Capitalism only to be used to buy elections and politicians, not people. Gee wasn't it Republicans who forced Citizens United on us?
It's funny to hear one billionaire who picked a jackass for the Supreme Court from a list provided by the Heritage Foundation which is founded by a pair of billionaire brothers.
These are the aggrieved parties. Complaining about a different billionaire. Kettle Pot Black, eh? Lol.
And there are people who believe this guy is on their side! hahahahahahaha whut.
Of course the FBI investigation is rigged now that they didn't find anything. It can't possibly be that there isn't any evidence, has never been, and that false charges were being pushed with no regard for the truth. Questioning the FBI on this thread just months ago was heresy because Mueller. Funny how quickly things change.
Exactly how many times does it have to be pointed out that the White House was dictating the terms of the investigation to the FBI. This "see, now the left is attacking the FBI" is nothing but a strawman concocted to fit this narrative. The problem is the White House limited the scope of the investigation to almost nothing from the very beginning (and I mentioned it less than 24 hours after it was requested with linked news reports), to the point that the two main figures weren't even allowed to be interviewed.
Of course the FBI investigation is rigged now that they didn't find anything.
You suggest that we only criticized the investigation after it concluded.
This.
Is.
False.
If you'll look back on comments in this very thread, you'll notice that we complained about the limited scope of the investigation long before the investigation ended. Some of the complaints came in immediately after the investigation was announced.
Read our words and look at when we wrote them before you accuse us of changing our minds.
Almost everywhere in the country, it was a Trump landslide. In the most highly populated counties, those with cities like L.A, Trump had zero support.
Instead of trying to rule the whole country from the thrones of New York and Los Angeles, maybe listen to the concerns of the deindustrialized Rust Belt or Midwest. They matter too.
Imagine wanting to change the whole system of government rather than listen to more people
Since it's Saturday and no one is paying attention, it is worth noting that the White House is placing so many restrictions and caveats on this FBI investigation that it is going to make it almost worthless. SPECIFICALLY, the White House counsels office has given the FBI a list of witnesses they are "permitted" to interview From NBC News:
Instead of investigating Swetnick's claims, the White House counsel’s office has given the FBI a list of witnesses they are permitted to interview, according to several people who discussed the parameters on the condition of anonymity. They characterized the White House instructions as a significant constraint on the FBI investigation and caution that such a limited scope, while not unusual in normal circumstances, may make it difficult to pursue additional leads in a case in which a Supreme Court nominee has been accused of sexual assault.
The limited scope seems to be at odds with what some members of the Senate judiciary seemed to expect when they agreed to give the FBI as much as a week to investigate allegations against Kavanaugh, a federal judge who grew up in the Washington DC area and attended an elite all-boys high school before going on to Yale.
Investigators plan to meet with Mark Judge, a high school classmate and friend of Kavanaugh's whom Ford named as a witness and participant to her alleged assault.
But as of now, the FBI cannot ask the supermarket that employed Judge for records verifying when he was employed there, one of the sources was told. Ford said in congressional testimony Thursday that those records would help her narrow the time frame of the alleged incident which she recalls happening some time in the summer of 1982 in Montgomery County, Maryland.
Two sources familiar with the investigation said the FBI will also not be able to examine why Kavanaugh’s account of his drinking at Yale University differs from those of some former classmates, who have said he was known as a heavy drinker. Those details may be pertinent to investigating claims from Ramirez who described an alleged incident of sexual misconduct she said occurred while Kavanaugh was inebriated. Ramirez's lawyer said Saturday that she had been contacted by the FBI and would cooperate.
The conditions under which the FBI's reopened background check are occurring appears to differ from the one envisioned by Flake, who used his leverage as a swing vote to pressure the Trump administration to order the FBI investigation.
Anyone who thought for one second this was going to be above board were fooling themselves. It's already being revealed as a total sham. If they aren't investigating these leads, then what the hell are they investigating?? What possible reason is there for limiting the scope this narrowly unless you are positive that a more BROAD scope would reveal the truth and destroy your candidate?? In particular, the question about the supermarket and Mark Judge is telling, because it is highly specific. Clearly Kavanaugh, McGahn, and Judge already know that a look into his employment records will reveal dates that destroy their concocted narrative, thus the FBI is being forbidden from trying to get them. If everything is as above board as they say it is, what possible harm is there is checking what dates Mark Judge worked at the supermarket?? It's the kind of question that could easily be conducted in a routine background check by any employer (I know because I just went through one). But the FBI can't?? This stinks to high heaven.
By all means @semiticgod tell me how the FBI should properly investigate claims and prioritize issues and how they deviated from standard procedure. Reading the sunmary they interviewed all the witnesses for both claims, and left out Swetnick most likely because she isn't credible. That sounds proper to me.
Unless you *really* believe the gang rape story is where the first real evidence of any of this may be found.
I'm pretty sure as evidenced by the thousands of people taking to the streets and protesting this garbage that people are also motivated to stop the destruction of America and the embrace of facism by the Republican party as well.
they are not swing voters or people who lean republican but need extra motivation to get out and vote.
Elizabeth Rasor Mr. Judge’s college girlfriend Told The New Yorker Mr. Judge “told her ashamedly of an incident that involved him and other boys taking turns having sex with a drunk woman.”
Dr. Elizabeth Swisher Yale classmate “I saw him very drunk many times and there is no way he remembers everything about every night.”
Lynne Brookes Yale classmate and roommate of Ms. Ramirez “It is not plausible to me that he remembers everything that he did when he was drinking.”
James Roche Judge Kavanaugh’s roommate at time of the alleged incident with Ms. Ramirez “Although Brett was normally reserved, he was a notably heavy drinker, even by the standards of the time.”
Richard Oh Yale classmate Told The New Yorker he overheard a female student telling another student about an incident similar to the one Ms. Ramirez described.
Mark Krasberg Yale classmate Said he has unsuccessfully been trying to get his “important evidence regarding the Debbie Ramirez investigation” into the right hands since Sept. 28.
Thomas Kane Georgetown Prep classmate
Sean Hagan Georgetown Prep classmate
Bernie McCarthy Georgetown Prep classmate
Russell Ford Dr. Blasey’s husband
Adela Gildo-Mazzon Dr. Blasey’s friend
Jeremiah P. Hanafin Polygraph examiner Conducted polygraph examination of Dr. Blasey.
Keith Koegler Friend of Dr. Blasey and Mr. Ford
Rebecca White Friend of Dr. Blase
Renate Schroeder Dolphin High school acquaintance of Kavanaugh’s Asked for her name to be removed from a statement of support signed by women who knew Judge Kavanaugh in high school after she became aware of yearbook references thought to be disrespectful to her on the pages of Judge Kavanaugh and his football teammates.
Angela Walker High school acquaintance of Kavanaugh’s Submitted a declaration to the F.B.I. that described attending a house party with Georgetown Prep boys where she was warned not to go upstairs because “it could be dangerous.”
Charles “Chad” Ludington Yale classmate “There were certainly many times when he could not remember what was going on.” He also said, “When Brett got drunk, he was often belligerent and aggressive.”
Kenneth G. Appold Yale classmate and suitemate Told The New Yorker that he was “100 percent certain” that he was was told Judge Kavanaugh was the male student who exposed himself to Ms. Ramirez.
Dan Murphy Yale classmate “I never saw Brett black out or not be able to remember the prior evening’s events, nor did I ever see Brett act aggressive, hostile or in a sexually aggressive manner to women.”
Chris Dudley Yale classmate “I was with Brett frequently in college, whether it be in the gym, in class or socializing. I never ever saw Brett blackout.”
Daniel Lavan Yale classmate “I definitely saw him on multiple occasions stumbling drunk where he could not have rational control over his actions or clear recollection of them.”
Chris Munnelly Yale classmate; was a freshman when Judge Kavanaugh was a senior “He was not a big drinker from my interactions with him.”
Kerry Berchem Yale classmate Has a text stream with a close Kavanaugh friend who she believes calls into question “whether Brett Kavanaugh anticipated, perhaps as early as July, the allegations made by Debbie Ramirez, which became public on Sept. 23.”
Kathleen Charlton Yale classmate Said she had information that Judge Kavanaugh was contacting former Yale classmates before The New Yorker’s publication of an article about Ms. Ramirez to persuade them to deny it.
65 women who wrote letter of support High school acquaintances In their letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee, the women said that Judge Kavanaugh “has behaved honorably and treated women with respect.” Ms. Dolphin later asked that her name be removed from the letter.
That last one is relevant because you could ask the circumstances under which they signed their letter, and how well they actually knew Kavanaugh. Personally I can't name 65 women from my high school, much less did 65 women know me well enough to credibly attest to my character.
As far as protocol goes? I don't think Kavanaugh's old friends and associates should have been in charge of the investigation.
I'm not even familiar with the "gang rape" story. What worries me most about this whole affair--not counting my reservations about Kavanaugh's political positions and the 100,000 mysteriously classified pages about his tenure during the Bush administration--were Kavanaugh's false statements about his own sexual history (he claimed to be a virgin in high school under oath) and his drinking (he claimed he never blacked out). Aside from his own yearbook, multiple people who knew him personally said that he misrepresented his behavior in high school.
We've still got weeks until the midterms, and months before any new Senators arrive in Congress. The FBI had plenty of time to spare to investigate all of these leads.
Almost everywhere in the country, it was a Trump landslide. In the most highly populated counties, those with cities like L.A, Trump had zero support.
Instead of trying to rule the whole country from the thrones of New York and Los Angeles, maybe listen to the concerns of the deindustrialized Rust Belt or Midwest. They matter too.
Imagine wanting to change the whole system of government rather than listen to more people
So the empty land where nobody lives supported trump. The map really appreciates it.
"the deindustrialized Rust Belt or Midwest". Sure they should have a say. But the most Americans are getting screwed and most Americans supported Hillary.
Elizabeth Rasor Mr. Judge’s college girlfriend Told The New Yorker Mr. Judge “told her ashamedly of an incident that involved him and other boys taking turns having sex with a drunk woman.”
Dr. Elizabeth Swisher Yale classmate “I saw him very drunk many times and there is no way he remembers everything about every night.”
Lynne Brookes Yale classmate and roommate of Ms. Ramirez “It is not plausible to me that he remembers everything that he did when he was drinking.”
James Roche Judge Kavanaugh’s roommate at time of the alleged incident with Ms. Ramirez “Although Brett was normally reserved, he was a notably heavy drinker, even by the standards of the time.”
Richard Oh Yale classmate Told The New Yorker he overheard a female student telling another student about an incident similar to the one Ms. Ramirez described.
Mark Krasberg Yale classmate Said he has unsuccessfully been trying to get his “important evidence regarding the Debbie Ramirez investigation” into the right hands since Sept. 28.
Thomas Kane Georgetown Prep classmate
Sean Hagan Georgetown Prep classmate
Bernie McCarthy Georgetown Prep classmate
Russell Ford Dr. Blasey’s husband
Adela Gildo-Mazzon Dr. Blasey’s friend
Jeremiah P. Hanafin Polygraph examiner Conducted polygraph examination of Dr. Blasey.
Keith Koegler Friend of Dr. Blasey and Mr. Ford
Rebecca White Friend of Dr. Blase
Renate Schroeder Dolphin High school acquaintance of Kavanaugh’s Asked for her name to be removed from a statement of support signed by women who knew Judge Kavanaugh in high school after she became aware of yearbook references thought to be disrespectful to her on the pages of Judge Kavanaugh and his football teammates.
Angela Walker High school acquaintance of Kavanaugh’s Submitted a declaration to the F.B.I. that described attending a house party with Georgetown Prep boys where she was warned not to go upstairs because “it could be dangerous.”
Charles “Chad” Ludington Yale classmate “There were certainly many times when he could not remember what was going on.” He also said, “When Brett got drunk, he was often belligerent and aggressive.”
Kenneth G. Appold Yale classmate and suitemate Told The New Yorker that he was “100 percent certain” that he was was told Judge Kavanaugh was the male student who exposed himself to Ms. Ramirez.
Dan Murphy Yale classmate “I never saw Brett black out or not be able to remember the prior evening’s events, nor did I ever see Brett act aggressive, hostile or in a sexually aggressive manner to women.”
Chris Dudley Yale classmate “I was with Brett frequently in college, whether it be in the gym, in class or socializing. I never ever saw Brett blackout.”
Daniel Lavan Yale classmate “I definitely saw him on multiple occasions stumbling drunk where he could not have rational control over his actions or clear recollection of them.”
Chris Munnelly Yale classmate; was a freshman when Judge Kavanaugh was a senior “He was not a big drinker from my interactions with him.”
Kerry Berchem Yale classmate Has a text stream with a close Kavanaugh friend who she believes calls into question “whether Brett Kavanaugh anticipated, perhaps as early as July, the allegations made by Debbie Ramirez, which became public on Sept. 23.”
Kathleen Charlton Yale classmate Said she had information that Judge Kavanaugh was contacting former Yale classmates before The New Yorker’s publication of an article about Ms. Ramirez to persuade them to deny it.
65 women who wrote letter of support High school acquaintances In their letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee, the women said that Judge Kavanaugh “has behaved honorably and treated women with respect.” Ms. Dolphin later asked that her name be removed from the letter.
That last one is relevant because you could ask the circumstances under which they signed their letter, and how well they actually knew Kavanaugh. Personally I can't name 65 women from my high school, much less did 65 women know me well enough to credibly attest to my character.
As far as protocol goes? I don't think Kavanaugh's old friends and associates should have been in charge of the investigation.
I'm not even familiar with the "gang rape" story. What worries me most about this whole affair--not counting my reservations about Kavanaugh's political positions and the 100,000 mysteriously classified pages about his tenure during the Bush administration--were Kavanaugh's false statements about his own sexual history (he claimed to be a virgin in high school under oath) and his drinking (he claimed he never blacked out). Aside from his own yearbook, multiple people who knew him personally said that he misrepresented his behavior in high school.
We've still got weeks until the midterms, and months before any new Senators arrive in Congress. The FBI had plenty of time to spare to investigate all of these leads.
They did not fail to investigate any witness. All of the witnesses claimed by the accusers to actually be there, as in, the real witnesses who can give us any actual facts about the incident, were offered an interview and only one declined.
The FBI didn't waste resources or time and got right to the facts relevant to the investigation. I fail to see how that is rigged or unfair.
Elizabeth Rasor Mr. Judge’s college girlfriend Told The New Yorker Mr. Judge “told her ashamedly of an incident that involved him and other boys taking turns having sex with a drunk woman.”
Dr. Elizabeth Swisher Yale classmate “I saw him very drunk many times and there is no way he remembers everything about every night.”
Lynne Brookes Yale classmate and roommate of Ms. Ramirez “It is not plausible to me that he remembers everything that he did when he was drinking.”
James Roche Judge Kavanaugh’s roommate at time of the alleged incident with Ms. Ramirez “Although Brett was normally reserved, he was a notably heavy drinker, even by the standards of the time.”
Richard Oh Yale classmate Told The New Yorker he overheard a female student telling another student about an incident similar to the one Ms. Ramirez described.
Mark Krasberg Yale classmate Said he has unsuccessfully been trying to get his “important evidence regarding the Debbie Ramirez investigation” into the right hands since Sept. 28.
Thomas Kane Georgetown Prep classmate
Sean Hagan Georgetown Prep classmate
Bernie McCarthy Georgetown Prep classmate
Russell Ford Dr. Blasey’s husband
Adela Gildo-Mazzon Dr. Blasey’s friend
Jeremiah P. Hanafin Polygraph examiner Conducted polygraph examination of Dr. Blasey.
Keith Koegler Friend of Dr. Blasey and Mr. Ford
Rebecca White Friend of Dr. Blase
Renate Schroeder Dolphin High school acquaintance of Kavanaugh’s Asked for her name to be removed from a statement of support signed by women who knew Judge Kavanaugh in high school after she became aware of yearbook references thought to be disrespectful to her on the pages of Judge Kavanaugh and his football teammates.
Angela Walker High school acquaintance of Kavanaugh’s Submitted a declaration to the F.B.I. that described attending a house party with Georgetown Prep boys where she was warned not to go upstairs because “it could be dangerous.”
Charles “Chad” Ludington Yale classmate “There were certainly many times when he could not remember what was going on.” He also said, “When Brett got drunk, he was often belligerent and aggressive.”
Kenneth G. Appold Yale classmate and suitemate Told The New Yorker that he was “100 percent certain” that he was was told Judge Kavanaugh was the male student who exposed himself to Ms. Ramirez.
Dan Murphy Yale classmate “I never saw Brett black out or not be able to remember the prior evening’s events, nor did I ever see Brett act aggressive, hostile or in a sexually aggressive manner to women.”
Chris Dudley Yale classmate “I was with Brett frequently in college, whether it be in the gym, in class or socializing. I never ever saw Brett blackout.”
Daniel Lavan Yale classmate “I definitely saw him on multiple occasions stumbling drunk where he could not have rational control over his actions or clear recollection of them.”
Chris Munnelly Yale classmate; was a freshman when Judge Kavanaugh was a senior “He was not a big drinker from my interactions with him.”
Kerry Berchem Yale classmate Has a text stream with a close Kavanaugh friend who she believes calls into question “whether Brett Kavanaugh anticipated, perhaps as early as July, the allegations made by Debbie Ramirez, which became public on Sept. 23.”
Kathleen Charlton Yale classmate Said she had information that Judge Kavanaugh was contacting former Yale classmates before The New Yorker’s publication of an article about Ms. Ramirez to persuade them to deny it.
65 women who wrote letter of support High school acquaintances In their letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee, the women said that Judge Kavanaugh “has behaved honorably and treated women with respect.” Ms. Dolphin later asked that her name be removed from the letter.
That last one is relevant because you could ask the circumstances under which they signed their letter, and how well they actually knew Kavanaugh. Personally I can't name 65 women from my high school, much less did 65 women know me well enough to credibly attest to my character.
As far as protocol goes? I don't think Kavanaugh's old friends and associates should have been in charge of the investigation.
I'm not even familiar with the "gang rape" story. What worries me most about this whole affair--not counting my reservations about Kavanaugh's political positions and the 100,000 mysteriously classified pages about his tenure during the Bush administration--were Kavanaugh's false statements about his own sexual history (he claimed to be a virgin in high school under oath) and his drinking (he claimed he never blacked out). Aside from his own yearbook, multiple people who knew him personally said that he misrepresented his behavior in high school.
We've still got weeks until the midterms, and months before any new Senators arrive in Congress. The FBI had plenty of time to spare to investigate all of these leads.
They did not fail to investigate any witness. All of the witnesses claimed by the accusers to actually be there, as in, the real witnesses who can give us any actual facts about the incident, were offered an interview and only one declined.
The FBI didn't waste resources or time and got right to the facts relevant to the investigation. I fail to see how that is rigged or unfair.
They were not allowed to interview anyone outside the list of (six I think I saw) people that Don't McGahn Trump's lawyer and guy shepherding Kavanaugh's confirmation provided. They were not allowed to ask about pertinent topics like his drinking.
People that could say "yeah Mike Judge told me that he and Bart sexually assaulted some woman" would not be allowed to be interviewed.
Character witnesses were not allowed. Additionally they were not allowed to interview the third accuser or witnesses to the Kavanaugh gang rapes. People have come forward saying they saw Kavanaugh and Judge spiking drinks - these people were off limits.
People, including roommates, say Kavanaugh lied his ass off during his confirmation hearings about sex words and his drinking habits. This is a crime. They were not interviewed.
They did not interview Kavanaugh or Ford. Lying to the FBI is a crime, Kavanaugh can get away with lying to the Senate because Republicans want to "win" and will do nothing about it. Lying to the FBI might not have gone over so well.
Elizabeth Rasor Mr. Judge’s college girlfriend Told The New Yorker Mr. Judge “told her ashamedly of an incident that involved him and other boys taking turns having sex with a drunk woman.”
Dr. Elizabeth Swisher Yale classmate “I saw him very drunk many times and there is no way he remembers everything about every night.”
Lynne Brookes Yale classmate and roommate of Ms. Ramirez “It is not plausible to me that he remembers everything that he did when he was drinking.”
James Roche Judge Kavanaugh’s roommate at time of the alleged incident with Ms. Ramirez “Although Brett was normally reserved, he was a notably heavy drinker, even by the standards of the time.”
Richard Oh Yale classmate Told The New Yorker he overheard a female student telling another student about an incident similar to the one Ms. Ramirez described.
Mark Krasberg Yale classmate Said he has unsuccessfully been trying to get his “important evidence regarding the Debbie Ramirez investigation” into the right hands since Sept. 28.
Thomas Kane Georgetown Prep classmate
Sean Hagan Georgetown Prep classmate
Bernie McCarthy Georgetown Prep classmate
Russell Ford Dr. Blasey’s husband
Adela Gildo-Mazzon Dr. Blasey’s friend
Jeremiah P. Hanafin Polygraph examiner Conducted polygraph examination of Dr. Blasey.
Keith Koegler Friend of Dr. Blasey and Mr. Ford
Rebecca White Friend of Dr. Blase
Renate Schroeder Dolphin High school acquaintance of Kavanaugh’s Asked for her name to be removed from a statement of support signed by women who knew Judge Kavanaugh in high school after she became aware of yearbook references thought to be disrespectful to her on the pages of Judge Kavanaugh and his football teammates.
Angela Walker High school acquaintance of Kavanaugh’s Submitted a declaration to the F.B.I. that described attending a house party with Georgetown Prep boys where she was warned not to go upstairs because “it could be dangerous.”
Charles “Chad” Ludington Yale classmate “There were certainly many times when he could not remember what was going on.” He also said, “When Brett got drunk, he was often belligerent and aggressive.”
Kenneth G. Appold Yale classmate and suitemate Told The New Yorker that he was “100 percent certain” that he was was told Judge Kavanaugh was the male student who exposed himself to Ms. Ramirez.
Dan Murphy Yale classmate “I never saw Brett black out or not be able to remember the prior evening’s events, nor did I ever see Brett act aggressive, hostile or in a sexually aggressive manner to women.”
Chris Dudley Yale classmate “I was with Brett frequently in college, whether it be in the gym, in class or socializing. I never ever saw Brett blackout.”
Daniel Lavan Yale classmate “I definitely saw him on multiple occasions stumbling drunk where he could not have rational control over his actions or clear recollection of them.”
Chris Munnelly Yale classmate; was a freshman when Judge Kavanaugh was a senior “He was not a big drinker from my interactions with him.”
Kerry Berchem Yale classmate Has a text stream with a close Kavanaugh friend who she believes calls into question “whether Brett Kavanaugh anticipated, perhaps as early as July, the allegations made by Debbie Ramirez, which became public on Sept. 23.”
Kathleen Charlton Yale classmate Said she had information that Judge Kavanaugh was contacting former Yale classmates before The New Yorker’s publication of an article about Ms. Ramirez to persuade them to deny it.
65 women who wrote letter of support High school acquaintances In their letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee, the women said that Judge Kavanaugh “has behaved honorably and treated women with respect.” Ms. Dolphin later asked that her name be removed from the letter.
That last one is relevant because you could ask the circumstances under which they signed their letter, and how well they actually knew Kavanaugh. Personally I can't name 65 women from my high school, much less did 65 women know me well enough to credibly attest to my character.
As far as protocol goes? I don't think Kavanaugh's old friends and associates should have been in charge of the investigation.
I'm not even familiar with the "gang rape" story. What worries me most about this whole affair--not counting my reservations about Kavanaugh's political positions and the 100,000 mysteriously classified pages about his tenure during the Bush administration--were Kavanaugh's false statements about his own sexual history (he claimed to be a virgin in high school under oath) and his drinking (he claimed he never blacked out). Aside from his own yearbook, multiple people who knew him personally said that he misrepresented his behavior in high school.
We've still got weeks until the midterms, and months before any new Senators arrive in Congress. The FBI had plenty of time to spare to investigate all of these leads.
They did not fail to investigate any witness. All of the witnesses claimed by the accusers to actually be there, as in, the real witnesses who can give us any actual facts about the incident, were offered an interview and only one declined.
The FBI didn't waste resources or time and got right to the facts relevant to the investigation. I fail to see how that is rigged or unfair.
They only interviewed 9 people. 9. They failed to contact people from Yale who were trying to contact them about the Ramirez incident and about Kavanaugh's drinking in Yale.
Kavanaugh even said in his testimony that if the Ramirez incident was true, it would have been all over the campus. They did not talk to people who were telling the FBI that there *were* stories about this happening on the campus. People *did* talk about it. But the FBI didn't talk to any of them. Why?
Deborah Ramirez, one of the women who has accused Kavanaugh of sexual abuse, said in an interview that she had been hopeful that her story would be investigated when two agents drove from Denver to Boulder, Colorado, last weekend to interview her at her lawyer’s office. But Ramirez said that she was troubled by what she perceived as a lack of willingness on the part of the Bureau to take steps to substantiate her claims. “I am very alarmed: first, that I was denied an F.B.I. investigation for five days, and then, when one was granted, that it was given on a short timeline and that the people who were key to corroborating my story have not been contacted,” Ramirez said. “I feel like I’m being silenced.”
The witness' name is blacked out in the new statement. The witness says he or she has been friends with Ramirez for about 28 years, and in 1991 or 1992 Ramirez told him or her of the incident that happened while Ramirez and Kavanaugh were both freshmen at Yale University.
Any way you slice it, the FBI did a seriously limited investigation and ignored evidence and testimony of people who had information that was relevant to the cases they were investigating.
Almost everywhere in the country, it was a Trump landslide. In the most highly populated counties, those with cities like L.A, Trump had zero support.
Instead of trying to rule the whole country from the thrones of New York and Los Angeles, maybe listen to the concerns of the deindustrialized Rust Belt or Midwest. They matter too.
Imagine wanting to change the whole system of government rather than listen to more people
But it doesn't listen to more people. It listens to LESS people who just happen to live in a section of the country that is geographically advantageous. There is no merit to the weighted value of their votes. The map simply proves what we already know. People who live in urban areas where diversity is the norm are more liberal, and those who love in rural areas not exposed to anything remotely similar are more conservative. The map itself (if you have ever driven through North Dakota, Montana, or Wyomong would demonstrate) is mostly a wasteland of nothingness. I once drove through Wyoming at 5am and couldn't get a radio station and didn't see another living soul for 90 minutes.
Also, this idea that is being pushed by both the President AND Senator Grassley that the women protesting at the Capitol are "Soros protesters" not only serves to make those women invisible, but is also insane. If I can be shown solid proof that any of these women are receiving paychecks from George Soros, I will go locate the nearest bridge I can find and jump off of it. That's how certain I am it isn't happening.
They did not fail to investigate any witness. All of the witnesses claimed by the accusers to actually be there, as in, the real witnesses who can give us any actual facts about the incident, were offered an interview and only one declined.
As we've discussed before, the allegation by Dr. Ford isn't the only thing worthy of investigation, and that's not just because of the Ramirez allegation. Kavanaugh's false statements under oath also warranted investigation, yet the FBI failed to address them.
Lying under oath is just as much of a crime as assault.
Yeah and Puerto Rico has a population of Americans citizens greater than 21 states and has zero electoral college votes. It's population is greater than Wyoming, both Dakotas, and Montana COMBINED.
DC has almost as many people as Alaska. Zero votes in the electoral college.
They did not fail to investigate any witness. All of the witnesses claimed by the accusers to actually be there, as in, the real witnesses who can give us any actual facts about the incident, were offered an interview and only one declined.
As we've discussed before, the allegation by Dr. Ford isn't the only thing worthy of investigation, and that's not just because of the Ramirez allegation. Kavanaugh's false statements under oath also warranted investigation, yet the FBI failed to address them.
Lying under oath is just as much of a crime as assault.
This is true. And his rage and emotionalism has lost him much support among law professors all over the country, over 540, including those from Yale. Former Supreme Court Justice John Stevens says he doesn't deserve to be on the Court, let alone the Supreme Court.
If someone wants to find the purple map @Nonnahswriter posted in the old thread the last time a map like this was shared, please do.
It actually shades the map according to votes for each candidate and gives a better representation of how people actually voted than the binary blue/red. This map here, if a riding won by 2 votes for example, it’d be the same colour as a map that won by a landslide.
And I have no idea what that map has to do with Kavanaugh. With a approval rating less than 50% (since he got elected) it sounds like a lot of people have buyers remorse on Trump.
Yeah and Puerto Rico has a population of Americans citizens greater than 21 states and has zero electoral college votes. It's population is greater than Wyoming, both Dakotas, and Montana COMBINED.
DC has almost as many people as Alaska. Zero votes in the electoral college.
That's because it's just a "territory". Not an actual state. I know they were applying for statehood at one point.
In November 2012, a referendum, the fourth as of that date, was held. A full 54.00% voted "No" to maintaining the current political status. Of those who voted against remaining a Commonwealth, 61.11% chose statehood, 33.34% chose free association, and 5.55% chose independence. On December 11, 2012, the Legislative Assembly of Puerto Rico enacted a concurrent resolution requesting the President and the Congress of the United States to respond diligently and effectively on the demand of the people of Puerto Rico to end its current political status and to begin the transition of Puerto Rico to become a state of the union.
Nearly one year after Hurricane Maria hit Puerto Rico, in June 2018, Rep. Jenniffer González filed a bill that would pave way for Puerto Rico to become a state in 2021
Almost everywhere in the country, it was a Trump landslide. In the most highly populated counties, those with cities like L.A, Trump had zero support.
Instead of trying to rule the whole country from the thrones of New York and Los Angeles, maybe listen to the concerns of the deindustrialized Rust Belt or Midwest. They matter too.
Imagine wanting to change the whole system of government rather than listen to more people
... what point do you think you're making? By landmass, the country went overwhelmingly to Trump. By actual population, the vote went significantly to Clinton. Typically, the latter is FAR more significant than the former.
That map has literally zero electoral value or merit. It's just a map showing that conservatives tend to get votes in rural areas, and Democrats tend to get votes in populated areas.
Put another way - After the loss, Clinton noted that the Democrats won something like 67 percent of the GDP. It's also of *zero* value electorally.
If someone wants to find the purple map @Nonnahswriter posted in the old thread the last time a map like this was shared, please do.
It actually shades the map according to votes for each candidate and gives a better representation of how people actually voted than the binary blue/red. This map here, if a riding won by 2 votes for example, it’d be the same colour as a map that won by a landslide.
And I have no idea what that map has to do with Kavanaugh. With a approval rating less than 50% (since he got elected) it sounds like a lot of people have buyers remorse on Trump.
2 hours later now.. Senator Collins then noted his "rave reviews" and the American Bar Association's "well-qualified" rating of Kavanaugh.
She's saying she's going to vote for the criminal (he lied to congress repeatedly) to be on the Supreme Court and protect the Criminal in the White House.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) read a letter from 2,400 law professors Friday, opposing Kavanaugh’s confirmation. Like the Bar Association, the professors cited the judge’s behavior at last week’s testimony.
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Barring some major reversal, we're about to have a multiple time perjurer on the Supreme Court.
It's funny to hear one billionaire who picked a jackass for the Supreme Court from a list provided by the Heritage Foundation which is founded by a pair of billionaire brothers.
These are the aggrieved parties. Complaining about a different billionaire. Kettle Pot Black, eh? Lol.
And there are people who believe this guy is on their side! hahahahahahaha whut.
This.
Is.
False.
If you'll look back on comments in this very thread, you'll notice that we complained about the limited scope of the investigation long before the investigation ended. Some of the complaints came in immediately after the investigation was announced.
Read our words and look at when we wrote them before you accuse us of changing our minds.
Instead of trying to rule the whole country from the thrones of New York and Los Angeles, maybe listen to the concerns of the deindustrialized Rust Belt or Midwest. They matter too.
Imagine wanting to change the whole system of government rather than listen to more people
Six.
Days.
Ago.
Unless you *really* believe the gang rape story is where the first real evidence of any of this may be found.
Elizabeth Rasor
Mr. Judge’s college girlfriend
Told The New Yorker Mr. Judge “told her ashamedly of an incident that involved him and other boys taking turns having sex with a drunk woman.”
Dr. Elizabeth Swisher
Yale classmate
“I saw him very drunk many times and there is no way he remembers everything about every night.”
Lynne Brookes
Yale classmate and roommate of Ms. Ramirez
“It is not plausible to me that he remembers everything that he did when he was drinking.”
James Roche
Judge Kavanaugh’s roommate at time of the alleged incident with Ms. Ramirez
“Although Brett was normally reserved, he was a notably heavy drinker, even by the standards of the time.”
Richard Oh
Yale classmate
Told The New Yorker he overheard a female student telling another student about an incident similar to the one Ms. Ramirez described.
Mark Krasberg
Yale classmate
Said he has unsuccessfully been trying to get his “important evidence regarding the Debbie Ramirez investigation” into the right hands since Sept. 28.
Thomas Kane
Georgetown Prep classmate
Sean Hagan
Georgetown Prep classmate
Bernie McCarthy
Georgetown Prep classmate
Russell Ford
Dr. Blasey’s husband
Adela Gildo-Mazzon
Dr. Blasey’s friend
Jeremiah P. Hanafin
Polygraph examiner
Conducted polygraph examination of Dr. Blasey.
Keith Koegler
Friend of Dr. Blasey and Mr. Ford
Rebecca White
Friend of Dr. Blase
Renate Schroeder Dolphin
High school acquaintance of Kavanaugh’s
Asked for her name to be removed from a statement of support signed by women who knew Judge Kavanaugh in high school after she became aware of yearbook references thought to be disrespectful to her on the pages of Judge Kavanaugh and his football teammates.
Angela Walker
High school acquaintance of Kavanaugh’s
Submitted a declaration to the F.B.I. that described attending a house party with Georgetown Prep boys where she was warned not to go upstairs because “it could be dangerous.”
Charles “Chad” Ludington
Yale classmate
“There were certainly many times when he could not remember what was going on.” He also said, “When Brett got drunk, he was often belligerent and aggressive.”
Kenneth G. Appold
Yale classmate and suitemate
Told The New Yorker that he was “100 percent certain” that he was was told Judge Kavanaugh was the male student who exposed himself to Ms. Ramirez.
Dan Murphy
Yale classmate
“I never saw Brett black out or not be able to remember the prior evening’s events, nor did I ever see Brett act aggressive, hostile or in a sexually aggressive manner to women.”
Chris Dudley
Yale classmate
“I was with Brett frequently in college, whether it be in the gym, in class or socializing. I never ever saw Brett blackout.”
Daniel Lavan
Yale classmate
“I definitely saw him on multiple occasions stumbling drunk where he could not have rational control over his actions or clear recollection of them.”
Chris Munnelly
Yale classmate; was a freshman when Judge Kavanaugh was a senior
“He was not a big drinker from my interactions with him.”
Kerry Berchem
Yale classmate
Has a text stream with a close Kavanaugh friend who she believes calls into question “whether Brett Kavanaugh anticipated, perhaps as early as July, the allegations made by Debbie Ramirez, which became public on Sept. 23.”
Kathleen Charlton
Yale classmate
Said she had information that Judge Kavanaugh was contacting former Yale classmates before The New Yorker’s publication of an article about Ms. Ramirez to persuade them to deny it.
65 women who wrote letter of support
High school acquaintances
In their letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee, the women said that Judge Kavanaugh “has behaved honorably and treated women with respect.” Ms. Dolphin later asked that her name be removed from the letter.
That last one is relevant because you could ask the circumstances under which they signed their letter, and how well they actually knew Kavanaugh. Personally I can't name 65 women from my high school, much less did 65 women know me well enough to credibly attest to my character.
As far as protocol goes? I don't think Kavanaugh's old friends and associates should have been in charge of the investigation.
I'm not even familiar with the "gang rape" story. What worries me most about this whole affair--not counting my reservations about Kavanaugh's political positions and the 100,000 mysteriously classified pages about his tenure during the Bush administration--were Kavanaugh's false statements about his own sexual history (he claimed to be a virgin in high school under oath) and his drinking (he claimed he never blacked out). Aside from his own yearbook, multiple people who knew him personally said that he misrepresented his behavior in high school.
We've still got weeks until the midterms, and months before any new Senators arrive in Congress. The FBI had plenty of time to spare to investigate all of these leads.
Thanks for pointing out the tyranny of the minority that this country is facing.
"the deindustrialized Rust Belt or Midwest". Sure they should have a say. But the most Americans are getting screwed and most Americans supported Hillary.
The FBI didn't waste resources or time and got right to the facts relevant to the investigation. I fail to see how that is rigged or unfair.
People that could say "yeah Mike Judge told me that he and Bart sexually assaulted some woman" would not be allowed to be interviewed.
Character witnesses were not allowed. Additionally they were not allowed to interview the third accuser or witnesses to the Kavanaugh gang rapes. People have come forward saying they saw Kavanaugh and Judge spiking drinks - these people were off limits.
People, including roommates, say Kavanaugh lied his ass off during his confirmation hearings about sex words and his drinking habits. This is a crime. They were not interviewed.
They did not interview Kavanaugh or Ford. Lying to the FBI is a crime, Kavanaugh can get away with lying to the Senate because Republicans want to "win" and will do nothing about it. Lying to the FBI might not have gone over so well.
Kavanaugh even said in his testimony that if the Ramirez incident was true, it would have been all over the campus. They did not talk to people who were telling the FBI that there *were* stories about this happening on the campus. People *did* talk about it. But the FBI didn't talk to any of them. Why?
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/will-the-fbi-ignore-testimonies-from-kavanaughs-former-classmates
Deborah Ramirez, one of the women who has accused Kavanaugh of sexual abuse, said in an interview that she had been hopeful that her story would be investigated when two agents drove from Denver to Boulder, Colorado, last weekend to interview her at her lawyer’s office. But Ramirez said that she was troubled by what she perceived as a lack of willingness on the part of the Bureau to take steps to substantiate her claims. “I am very alarmed: first, that I was denied an F.B.I. investigation for five days, and then, when one was granted, that it was given on a short timeline and that the people who were key to corroborating my story have not been contacted,” Ramirez said. “I feel like I’m being silenced.”
Another witness who offered to speak with FBI comes forward in Deborah Ramirez case
http://www.dailycamera.com/news/boulder/ci_32183731/lawyer-deborah-ramirez-fbi-investigation-kavanaugh
The witness' name is blacked out in the new statement. The witness says he or she has been friends with Ramirez for about 28 years, and in 1991 or 1992 Ramirez told him or her of the incident that happened while Ramirez and Kavanaugh were both freshmen at Yale University.
Any way you slice it, the FBI did a seriously limited investigation and ignored evidence and testimony of people who had information that was relevant to the cases they were investigating.
But it doesn't listen to more people. It listens to LESS people who just happen to live in a section of the country that is geographically advantageous. There is no merit to the weighted value of their votes. The map simply proves what we already know. People who live in urban areas where diversity is the norm are more liberal, and those who love in rural areas not exposed to anything remotely similar are more conservative. The map itself (if you have ever driven through North Dakota, Montana, or Wyomong would demonstrate) is mostly a wasteland of nothingness. I once drove through Wyoming at 5am and couldn't get a radio station and didn't see another living soul for 90 minutes.
Lying under oath is just as much of a crime as assault.
DC has almost as many people as Alaska. Zero votes in the electoral college.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_territories_of_the_United_States_by_population
It actually shades the map according to votes for each candidate and gives a better representation of how people actually voted than the binary blue/red. This map here, if a riding won by 2 votes for example, it’d be the same colour as a map that won by a landslide.
And I have no idea what that map has to do with Kavanaugh. With a approval rating less than 50% (since he got elected) it sounds like a lot of people have buyers remorse on Trump.
In November 2012, a referendum, the fourth as of that date, was held. A full 54.00% voted "No" to maintaining the current political status. Of those who voted against remaining a Commonwealth, 61.11% chose statehood, 33.34% chose free association, and 5.55% chose independence. On December 11, 2012, the Legislative Assembly of Puerto Rico enacted a concurrent resolution requesting the President and the Congress of the United States to respond diligently and effectively on the demand of the people of Puerto Rico to end its current political status and to begin the transition of Puerto Rico to become a state of the union.
Nearly one year after Hurricane Maria hit Puerto Rico, in June 2018, Rep. Jenniffer González filed a bill that would pave way for Puerto Rico to become a state in 2021
... what point do you think you're making? By landmass, the country went overwhelmingly to Trump. By actual population, the vote went significantly to Clinton. Typically, the latter is FAR more significant than the former.
That map has literally zero electoral value or merit. It's just a map showing that conservatives tend to get votes in rural areas, and Democrats tend to get votes in populated areas.
Put another way - After the loss, Clinton noted that the Democrats won something like 67 percent of the GDP. It's also of *zero* value electorally.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/how-election-maps-lie/
Is this the map you mean?
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/03/a-new-2016-election-voting-map-promotes-subtlety.html
The other one is cut off at the edges.
American Bar Association Reconsiders Supporting Kavanaugh Following His Emotional Testimony
http://fortune.com/2018/10/05/bar-association-reevaluates-kavanaugh/
2 hours later now..
Senator Collins then noted his "rave reviews" and the American Bar Association's "well-qualified" rating of Kavanaugh.
She's saying she's going to vote for the criminal (he lied to congress repeatedly) to be on the Supreme Court and protect the Criminal in the White House.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) read a letter from 2,400 law professors Friday, opposing Kavanaugh’s confirmation. Like the Bar Association, the professors cited the judge’s behavior at last week’s testimony.
GOP Congressman Is Sad He Can’t Call Women ‘Sluts’ Anymore
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2018/07/gop-congressman-is-sad-he-cant-call-women-sluts-anymore/
Le sigh.
The hypocrisy continues. I wonder where her deeply founded fears about politicizing the confirmation process were when McConnell stole a seat?