That damn idiot is also giving only trouble i m gonna just remove carsomir restrictions and i m gonna kill that idiot 100 times over. As for betrayal just put him out of the party somewhere then meet with drizzt and kill him then come back for Keldorn.
And all the others i have slaughtered that are good and heroes...and that he has killed? Like the knights from his own order after i refused refuge and having killed the disguised members of his order?
Bad time to stand up. Drizzt is both drow and while a hero has a checkered past. Besides keldorn will in the end probably help the rebirth of bhaal by staying loyal. So i actually get why fights with his charname friend and leader even when it might be butchering. Alot of baddies go down.
Hey, they can't perfectly represent every NPC's potential reaction to every scenario. Drizzt is a fine spot for him to take a stand, though.
I have to ask: what checkered past are you referring to? I haven't read the Drizzt books in many years, but from what I remember he's always an objectively Good character. A bit tortured by his past, but he never lets that force him to commit evil. Him being Drow might cause a younger, dumber paladin like Ajantis might attack him, but a veteran like Keldorn who actually knows who Drizzt is would absolutely never dream of fighting him.
Yeah, I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about OP. I assumed you were joking until the last comments. Drizzt evil? Do you even know who Drizzt is?
No he didn't. That's basically the cornerstone of his character, his refusal to conform to Drow society. He actually caused his entire house to lose favor with Lloth by faking the death of a surface elf in order to save her life.
It's funny how Keldorn simply attack viconia in the party with no reason, even with an high reputation, while he would even turn on the party if we attack drizzt.
It's funny how Keldorn simply attack viconia in the party with no reason, even with an high reputation, while he would even turn on the party if we attack drizzt.
I admit, I avoid having them in the same party because of this, so I've never actually witnessed them fighting firsthand. But Viconia IS Evil, AND a Drow, and Keldorn, as a paladin, has the magical means to confirm the former and the eyes to confirm the latter. It's pretty cut-and-dry for him, I'd think.
A game this big and complex can't represent perfect RP reactions for every character in every scenario, but Keldorn defending Drizzt and attacking Viconia seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Yeah drizzt didnt kill that elf child but he still killed innocent adult elves.
Like a nazi landing in america killing civilians, military and so on. Then refusing to kill a little girl. Getting banned and then he wanders the usa and becomes a warrior of justice in canada.
And yet keldorn would accept (complains but does not betray you or the others) if you kill a member of his own order.
I dont buy it. Keldorn would not have betrayed charname if he was killing baddies en masse.
That's not true. I can't tell if you're misinformed, mis-remembering, or trolling, but you're wrong. Drizzt did not participate in the surface raid. He witnessed the girl's mother being killed, but did not do it himself, and then acted to save the girl.
If memory serves, he did mutilate the woman's corpse a bit to hide the girl from the rest of the Drow, but that seems justifiable to save the child. The woman was already dead.
The game is a decade old. Keldorn not reacting to you attacking his own order is an oversight, not something to base his motivations on.
Since attacking a good hero like Drizzt is objectively evil, I think its a pretty reasonable time for Keldorn to take a stand!
My first play through with him, I thought I would try to do the fake metal ore for the sculptor scam. Well Keldorn called me out on it and ruined the ploy. I was so shamed that an NPC was more righteous than me! I've loved Keldorn ever since. Very well written character. I take him along whenever I can.
If you repeatedly do despicably evil things, why would you have Keldorn in the party?
Oh, I know, for the powergaming superweapon? Honestly if I was designing the game, I'd make the alignment restrictions even more stringent. No evil character should be able to recruit Keldorn under any circumstances. The moment you commit an act that results in reputation loss, the obviously Good characters like Keldorn should at least leave the party, or attack you if the act was particularly heinous.
One cannot negotiate with evil! There is only one solution, which Minsc put into words better than anyone: "EVIL, MEET MY SWORD! SWORD, MEET EVIL!!!!"
And yet keldorn would accept (complains but does not betray you or the others) if you kill a member of his own order.
What? He attacks you if you attack anyone in the order. I tested it when I was younger. He and Anomen both turn on you.
I dunno what you are talking about. If you mean that you killed Ajantis and his company, that was because they were under an illusion... and Keldorn has dialogue in that scene that explains this.
I'm really not sure if you are trolling or just misremembering.
Plus, even if these completely and utterly false statements were true in some alternate universe, Keldorn would have no information about Drizzt's upbringing, only what he has done since on the surface. Which means as far as my favorite NPC ever is concerned, Drizzt is a hero.
Keldorn is one of my favorite npcs. I often have him. Korgan and aerie are two other favorites. In fact these three stand far above others in my eyes. Since they are my favorites they very often are the only ones i use : ). Since aerie and korgan dong get along i team with anomen and he is okay. But keldorn is awesome (personality).
Keldorns ending is also flawless.
I like that he says stop but i cant remember if he also liked the silver dragon.
And it sounds as if misinformed about drizzt.
But i do like to kill him, esp when i roll dwarf. Ohhh a drow kill kill
And no keldorn is fine if you kill order members post firkraag ambush
Even if that were true, it would obviously be a case of programming oversight, and not remotely reflective of Keldorn's personality.
I could make Aerie, one of the most altruistic characters in the game, commit utterly despicable acts, and retain her in the party by bribing churches, but I don't, because I recognise that it's 'bad design', which is partly implemented to give players a chance to play a bit more of a nuanced alignment, without worrying about suddenly having half the party turn on him for a petty theft.
But I recognise that Aerie would not actually do anything like murder a random child, and being able to do so mechanically does not reflect on her personality. Same applies to Keldorn. The Devs clearly implemented a few 'key decision points' in the game where a clear moral decision does make a decisive difference to your relationship with the NPC. Refusing to help Minsc rescue Dyanheir is one of them, attacking Drizzt in Keldorn's company is another.
And no keldorn is fine if you kill order members post firkraag ambush
Nope. Just tested it. As in right now, after finishing the fallen paladin quest in the Bridge District. He left my party and attacked me after the first paladin was killed. I dunno if you are lying or misremembering, but literally everything you've said here has been wrong, and I'm confused as to why you would even start a topic about a Paladin "betraying you" once you do blatantly evil acts.
A real issue is Nalia not responding if you kill her aunt. This is just weird.
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Bad time to stand up. Drizzt is both drow and while a hero has a checkered past. Besides keldorn will in the end probably help the rebirth of bhaal by staying loyal. So i actually get why fights with his charname friend and leader even when it might be butchering. Alot of baddies go down.
I have to ask: what checkered past are you referring to? I haven't read the Drizzt books in many years, but from what I remember he's always an objectively Good character. A bit tortured by his past, but he never lets that force him to commit evil. Him being Drow might cause a younger, dumber paladin like Ajantis might attack him, but a veteran like Keldorn who actually knows who Drizzt is would absolutely never dream of fighting him.
A game this big and complex can't represent perfect RP reactions for every character in every scenario, but Keldorn defending Drizzt and attacking Viconia seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Yessss yessss, let the hate flow. :P
Like a nazi landing in america killing civilians, military and so on. Then refusing to kill a little girl. Getting banned and then he wanders the usa and becomes a warrior of justice in canada.
And yet keldorn would accept (complains but does not betray you or the others) if you kill a member of his own order.
I dont buy it. Keldorn would not have betrayed charname if he was killing baddies en masse.
If memory serves, he did mutilate the woman's corpse a bit to hide the girl from the rest of the Drow, but that seems justifiable to save the child. The woman was already dead.
The game is a decade old. Keldorn not reacting to you attacking his own order is an oversight, not something to base his motivations on.
My first play through with him, I thought I would try to do the fake metal ore for the sculptor scam. Well Keldorn called me out on it and ruined the ploy. I was so shamed that an NPC was more righteous than me! I've loved Keldorn ever since. Very well written character. I take him along whenever I can.
Oh, I know, for the powergaming superweapon? Honestly if I was designing the game, I'd make the alignment restrictions even more stringent. No evil character should be able to recruit Keldorn under any circumstances. The moment you commit an act that results in reputation loss, the obviously Good characters like Keldorn should at least leave the party, or attack you if the act was particularly heinous.
One cannot negotiate with evil! There is only one solution, which Minsc put into words better than anyone:
"EVIL, MEET MY SWORD! SWORD, MEET EVIL!!!!"
I dunno what you are talking about. If you mean that you killed Ajantis and his company, that was because they were under an illusion... and Keldorn has dialogue in that scene that explains this.
I'm really not sure if you are trolling or just misremembering.
Plus, even if these completely and utterly false statements were true in some alternate universe, Keldorn would have no information about Drizzt's upbringing, only what he has done since on the surface. Which means as far as my favorite NPC ever is concerned, Drizzt is a hero.
Keldorns ending is also flawless.
I like that he says stop but i cant remember if he also liked the silver dragon.
And it sounds as if misinformed about drizzt.
But i do like to kill him, esp when i roll dwarf. Ohhh a drow kill kill
Okay, definitely trolling... and quite well I may add
edit: misread "dong" which should have meant "don't"
I could make Aerie, one of the most altruistic characters in the game, commit utterly despicable acts, and retain her in the party by bribing churches, but I don't, because I recognise that it's 'bad design', which is partly implemented to give players a chance to play a bit more of a nuanced alignment, without worrying about suddenly having half the party turn on him for a petty theft.
But I recognise that Aerie would not actually do anything like murder a random child, and being able to do so mechanically does not reflect on her personality. Same applies to Keldorn. The Devs clearly implemented a few 'key decision points' in the game where a clear moral decision does make a decisive difference to your relationship with the NPC. Refusing to help Minsc rescue Dyanheir is one of them, attacking Drizzt in Keldorn's company is another.
A real issue is Nalia not responding if you kill her aunt. This is just weird.
Just no. You have not done what i am talking about. He is fine with it. Did it yesterday
Keldorn is fine with war and bloodbaths, he will accept alot and it makes sense charname is worth it.