that is why i put the other option my friend @quartz as everyone will have an npc that they find annoying/dislike. i couldnt list every single option in the game now could i? :P..... perhaps i should add an option for @crevsdaak ..... hahah
I don't mean to sound harsh, because I rather like the thread concept and I think it will spawn interesting discussion. I've personally found though that when the number of options is far, far above the 10 limit in a poll, that one shouldn't even bother making it a poll. "Just" a thread. Nothing wrong with this thread
I just hate her. She is too depressive for me, Xan is, well, funny, but Aerie makes be sick, she makes me feel sad without reason, she wants to turn the PC into a depressive wingless elf like her, SHE'S EVIL!! I never liked her concept, it's like *evil* to make a cute Elf to be a depressive, so I dislike her. A lot. Two lots. Or maybe three. Yeah. Three lots.
I just hate her. She is too depressive for me, Xan is, well, funny, but Aerie makes be sick, she makes me feel sad without reason, she wants to turn the PC into a depressive wingless elf like her, SHE'S EVIL!! I never liked her concept, it's like *evil* to make a cute Elf to be a depressive, so I dislike her. A lot. Two lots. Or maybe three. Yeah. Three lots.
i see quayle got a few votes i find him annoying, until bg2, for one reason. when fghting khala, as i killed the bastard i had aerie cast lightning bolt and as the screen fades to black to go back to the restored tent i hear, "OHHHHHHHHHHHHH DEARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR" as quayle is vaporized in the background. i was literally laughing so hard i had to piss
I just hate her. She is too depressive for me, Xan is, well, funny, but Aerie makes be sick, she makes me feel sad without reason, she wants to turn the PC into a depressive wingless elf like her, SHE'S EVIL!! I never liked her concept, it's like *evil* to make a cute Elf to be a depressive, so I dislike her. A lot. Two lots. Or maybe three. Yeah. Three lots.
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Yay! I'm not the only one who hates the pissy attention whore! Too bad I didn't see the option to vote for her, otherwise I would. Bitch's like "Oh I'm worthless, I'm ugly, I'm so sad *cries*" at every single conversation, just for attention, then when Jaheira is feeling like shit because of Khalid's death, she's like "Serves you well, bitch, I knew you were eyeing your godson since you met him and were just looking for an excuse to make him bang you!" - WHAT THE FUCK? This action pretty much confirms that Aerie is not quite as pure and innocent as she claims, and is instead a pissy little cunt who wants the world to revolve around her fucking navel - were I GMing a game and a "Lawful Good" character made such a statement, I would most definitely roll for both Chaotic and Evil alignment shifts, because not even Viconia, of all people, is so cruel to the recent widow (who, honestly, never did a thing to her). And the worst part is that if you side with Jaheira, Aerie acts as if she were the VICTIM! The nerve of that harlot! "OMG! Stop being so mean to me you assholes, I never did a thing!"
Annoyances: Imoen - It's not surprising she was an afterthought. I have no issues with her mechanically, but ugh. Drizzt - somehow it's immersion breaking to see him in the games. Zeke - "This way good sir, over here!"… "This way good sir, over here!"…etc. My nickname is Zeke, and he gives us a bad name. Aerie - I just can't stand her at all. I included her on my first BG2 run. Never again.
Wow tough audience. Well I adore Imoen and Aerie both. Two beautiful and well conceived characters that I always want around. They always make me laugh ans smile. I usually want Minsc around too.
Really I don't dislike any of the good or Neutral NPCs. Khalid gets on my nerves a little though, and I won't normally use him for an entire game.
Imoen and Nalia deserve for their outstanding annoyance both the gold medal. Aerie, the Queen of Crocodile Tears, closely follows them on second place and claims silver. Whoever earns bronze isn't decided yet, but the masses are cheering for Garrick.
The Narrator, while not an NPC himself, also gets honourably mentioned for saying "You must gather your party before venturing forth." a myriad times without biting his tongue.
I honestly don't find any of them annoying... I guess Minsc's "wald and crezzy guy" schtick might wear just a tad thin from time to time. But the character is so well realized and voiced that I can't actually dislike him.
Tiax is humorous, but from a RP vantage I really would not want to have someone like that around if I was actually there.
Aerie hate is a complete nonsense anyway; she's a quiet and introspective character. It's only in her romance she opens up, and then after getting it all off her chest, she stops. Imoen just isn't around enough to be annoying.
It seems like it takes a lot more energy to get really annoyed by made-up people than it does to just like them, so I can never be bothered.
Aerie hate is a complete nonsense anyway; she's a quiet and introspective character. It's only in her romance she opens up, and then after getting it all off her chest, she stops. Imoen just isn't around enough to be annoying.
I'm gonna point out that there are a LOT of people in this world who don't like to hear about other peoples' problems, even if their complaining about it is 100% legitimate. People like you and me will never understand that, we actually like to help people get things off their chest and find the insight into their minds genuinely interesting, but not everyone operates that way.
(Not implying Aerie's complaints are "100% legitimate" -- she certainly has reasons to be upset but does indeed need to move on, and she does)
None, really. Even the characters I don't like too much are interesting as they're *meant* to get a reaction. Anomen, Aerie and Jaheria seem to be good examples of these. The fact their personalities polarise people so much with the "you like or hate them" adge to me shows they're well written. Granted if I was going to call anyone annoying it would be Anomen, but it's sort of a moot point where his personality is interesting and the personality changes he undergoes.
More than that though I'd probably say Neera. Not because she herself irritates me at all, but her language and slang is rather too modern and immersion-breaking in a game like this for me.
I have a certain dislike for various nobles who WALK UP TO ME and say things like, "I can't be bothered speaking with the likes of you" or "Away, beggar." Come to think of it, the scroll-selling lady in the Adventurer's Mart who "doesn't ordinarily speak to the likes of you" rarely gets my business.
But my special hatred is reserved for Queen Ellesime, who unleashes a sociopathic soul-stealing wretch on the realms and then "can't help but feel partially responsible" for it. Go for the eyes, Boo. Go for the eyes.
Aerie hate is a complete nonsense anyway; she's a quiet and introspective character. It's only in her romance she opens up, and then after getting it all off her chest, she stops. Imoen just isn't around enough to be annoying.
It seems like it takes a lot more energy to get really annoyed by made-up people than it does to just like them, so I can never be bothered.
Aerie hate isn't complete nonsense. Unreasonable, passionate loathing for her (and any character, honestly) doesn't make much sense, but there are reasons to dislike her.
I don't mind her much outside of her romance, but I have serious issues within it. Admittedly, most of it comes down to poor writing, poor characterization, and probably internalized sexism.
1. I cannot stand the damsel in distress thing. I think her arc is actually pretty interesting--someone who starts out very damaged but comes out of it stronger for that. However, she's such a mess at the beginning that frankly, it's completely irresponsible to have her in an adventuring party at all. Someone suffering from suicidal ideation (as she very clearly seems to be) should not be put in a position where she can place herself in harm's way pretty much hourly. They could have, and should have, toned down the angst enough to make it believable that she could function in the setting. It would also have put her on a more even footing with the protagonist when it comes to romance.
2. Aerie needs help. She needs to grow. She needs to find herself, so to speak. The fact that she's effectively looking for a man to find validation when she is in no way ready for a relationship is pretty damn problematic to me. The one highlight is that she eventually realizes this is a problem and temporarily breaks things off anyway. Still, I don't think this is explored enough because the writers are too busy giving her emotional breakdowns at every possible moment.
3. Her ToB arc is lazy and idiotic. Have the writers never actually seen a pregnant woman before? No way are you going to be able to just wander into battle at every opportunity, especially not without a care in the world. It plays into the inane fantasy that pregnancy is some magical state of perfect femininity, and if they absolutely had no other direction to take the character, they could have at least addressed the fact that she and the protagonist should have been terrified by this turn of events.
4. Yeah, her treatment of Jaheira during the romance is a problem. Honestly, I think the romance conflicts are disgusting in general and I don't like the fact that women who should be supporting each other (Jaheira and Aerie, not Viconia) suddenly turn into catty harpies because a man is suddenly in the picture.
5. I hate her alignment. Honestly, I wish she were Neutral Good. It seems to play into the belief that pure, innocent, and sweet = Lawful, which is really not true. She doesn't seem to have the strong convictions you'd expect of an LG, nor even a trace of the rigidness or concern for civilization/order/etc. She seems to hate civilization. I don't hate her because I don't agree with the alignment, but it does irritate me a bit.
That said, I don't exactly hate Aerie, except in as much as I think her writing is extremely problematic. But she's far from the only one I think is problematic, even if she might be the worst offender.
Minsc and Jan probably annoy me most. Jan is amusing in theory but gets old pretty quickly for me, and Minsc... well, not my sense of humour. At all.
4. Yeah, her treatment of Jaheira during the romance is a problem. Honestly, I think the romance conflicts are disgusting in general and I don't like the fact that women who should be supporting each other (Jaheira and Aerie, not Viconia) suddenly turn into catty harpies because a man is suddenly in the picture.
Jealousy makes some of the nicest people suddenly very scary.
Aerie hate is a complete nonsense anyway; she's a quiet and introspective character. It's only in her romance she opens up, and then after getting it all off her chest, she stops. Imoen just isn't around enough to be annoying.
It seems like it takes a lot more energy to get really annoyed by made-up people than it does to just like them, so I can never be bothered.
Aerie hate isn't complete nonsense. Unreasonable, passionate loathing for her (and any character, honestly) doesn't make much sense, but there are reasons to dislike her.
I'm sure there are, but the general complaints about her is that constantly whines about her wings, which she just doesn't. She only starts talking about it in her romance. She never brings it up with another NPC, for example; sometimes they do with her, but all the dialogues she initiates are usually her asking questions about them and they way they think and feel about the world. So that's really all I mean.
I don't think she's suicidal at all; she wants to feel better and become stronger. She just has to work through her feelings, because you can't really just choose not to be unhappy.
I definitely agree though there are parts of her romance that are badly written. It should be clearer when she offers to sleep with you that she's really uncomfortable and not sure about it, for example. At the start when you first meet her she's not playing a typical damsel; she is in distress, but her first thought is warning you to get out and if you persist she lets you help. She doesn't get many chances to really show that courage and determination after that though.
She's nasty to Jaheira, yes, but Viconia is just as nasty and not just in the romance. It's just more shocking from Aerie because it's so unusual and out of character. The catfights seem pretty forced and silly anyway, but I guess the problem is Aerie has to stand her ground and Jaheira just doesn't really have any other vulnerability for the others to attack.
I agree about her alignment as well; I think it's just her background has conditioned to be obedient and deferential, but certainly as she grows in confidence and belief in herself she's really more Neutral Good. And if it were up to me I would rewrite all of her ToB romance.
Ages ago, Irenicus probably would have been a first pick, but I´ve gained a new view of him entirely after watching the anime serie Naruto and being somehow tantalized by the villain, renegade ninja Orochimaru, and fascinated by his ambition which he achieved by experiments. Orochimaru´s tale of exile and seeking revenge on his homeland, or rather, hometown, seems much, much like the tale of Jon Irenicus.
Other - BG:EE
When I began my adventurous career as a dwarf in the original BG1, I was always interested in the mines various people were telling me about, but as of late, I´ve had a hard time to overcome the bother that is Nashkel mines - until my weapon broke. Then I became very motivated to find out the quilty and punish him/her/it for interrupting my highly succesful battles with mundane weapons.
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How about a Minsc option?
Yay! I'm not the only one who hates the pissy attention whore! Too bad I didn't see the option to vote for her, otherwise I would.
Bitch's like "Oh I'm worthless, I'm ugly, I'm so sad *cries*" at every single conversation, just for attention, then when Jaheira is feeling like shit because of Khalid's death, she's like "Serves you well, bitch, I knew you were eyeing your godson since you met him and were just looking for an excuse to make him bang you!" - WHAT THE FUCK? This action pretty much confirms that Aerie is not quite as pure and innocent as she claims, and is instead a pissy little cunt who wants the world to revolve around her fucking navel - were I GMing a game and a "Lawful Good" character made such a statement, I would most definitely roll for both Chaotic and Evil alignment shifts, because not even Viconia, of all people, is so cruel to the recent widow (who, honestly, never did a thing to her). And the worst part is that if you side with Jaheira, Aerie acts as if she were the VICTIM! The nerve of that harlot! "OMG! Stop being so mean to me you assholes, I never did a thing!"
Stupid bitch.
Imoen - It's not surprising she was an afterthought. I have no issues with her mechanically, but ugh.
Drizzt - somehow it's immersion breaking to see him in the games.
Zeke - "This way good sir, over here!"… "This way good sir, over here!"…etc. My nickname is Zeke, and he gives us a bad name.
Aerie - I just can't stand her at all. I included her on my first BG2 run. Never again.
Winner: Imoen, by a longshot.
I usually want Minsc around too.
Really I don't dislike any of the good or Neutral NPCs. Khalid gets on my nerves a little though, and I won't normally use him for an entire game.
There is just no pleasing that elf. Oh, sorry. Half-elf. *eyeroll*
The Narrator, while not an NPC himself, also gets honourably mentioned for saying "You must gather your party before venturing forth." a myriad times without biting his tongue.
Tiax is humorous, but from a RP vantage I really would not want to have someone like that around if I was actually there.
It seems like it takes a lot more energy to get really annoyed by made-up people than it does to just like them, so I can never be bothered.
(Not implying Aerie's complaints are "100% legitimate" -- she certainly has reasons to be upset but does indeed need to move on, and she does)
More than that though I'd probably say Neera. Not because she herself irritates me at all, but her language and slang is rather too modern and immersion-breaking in a game like this for me.
But my special hatred is reserved for Queen Ellesime, who unleashes a sociopathic soul-stealing wretch on the realms and then "can't help but feel partially responsible" for it. Go for the eyes, Boo. Go for the eyes.
I don't mind her much outside of her romance, but I have serious issues within it. Admittedly, most of it comes down to poor writing, poor characterization, and probably internalized sexism.
1. I cannot stand the damsel in distress thing. I think her arc is actually pretty interesting--someone who starts out very damaged but comes out of it stronger for that. However, she's such a mess at the beginning that frankly, it's completely irresponsible to have her in an adventuring party at all. Someone suffering from suicidal ideation (as she very clearly seems to be) should not be put in a position where she can place herself in harm's way pretty much hourly. They could have, and should have, toned down the angst enough to make it believable that she could function in the setting. It would also have put her on a more even footing with the protagonist when it comes to romance.
2. Aerie needs help. She needs to grow. She needs to find herself, so to speak. The fact that she's effectively looking for a man to find validation when she is in no way ready for a relationship is pretty damn problematic to me. The one highlight is that she eventually realizes this is a problem and temporarily breaks things off anyway. Still, I don't think this is explored enough because the writers are too busy giving her emotional breakdowns at every possible moment.
3. Her ToB arc is lazy and idiotic. Have the writers never actually seen a pregnant woman before? No way are you going to be able to just wander into battle at every opportunity, especially not without a care in the world. It plays into the inane fantasy that pregnancy is some magical state of perfect femininity, and if they absolutely had no other direction to take the character, they could have at least addressed the fact that she and the protagonist should have been terrified by this turn of events.
4. Yeah, her treatment of Jaheira during the romance is a problem. Honestly, I think the romance conflicts are disgusting in general and I don't like the fact that women who should be supporting each other (Jaheira and Aerie, not Viconia) suddenly turn into catty harpies because a man is suddenly in the picture.
5. I hate her alignment. Honestly, I wish she were Neutral Good. It seems to play into the belief that pure, innocent, and sweet = Lawful, which is really not true. She doesn't seem to have the strong convictions you'd expect of an LG, nor even a trace of the rigidness or concern for civilization/order/etc. She seems to hate civilization. I don't hate her because I don't agree with the alignment, but it does irritate me a bit.
That said, I don't exactly hate Aerie, except in as much as I think her writing is extremely problematic. But she's far from the only one I think is problematic, even if she might be the worst offender.
Minsc and Jan probably annoy me most. Jan is amusing in theory but gets old pretty quickly for me, and Minsc... well, not my sense of humour. At all.
I don't think she's suicidal at all; she wants to feel better and become stronger. She just has to work through her feelings, because you can't really just choose not to be unhappy.
I definitely agree though there are parts of her romance that are badly written. It should be clearer when she offers to sleep with you that she's really uncomfortable and not sure about it, for example. At the start when you first meet her she's not playing a typical damsel; she is in distress, but her first thought is warning you to get out and if you persist she lets you help. She doesn't get many chances to really show that courage and determination after that though.
She's nasty to Jaheira, yes, but Viconia is just as nasty and not just in the romance. It's just more shocking from Aerie because it's so unusual and out of character. The catfights seem pretty forced and silly anyway, but I guess the problem is Aerie has to stand her ground and Jaheira just doesn't really have any other vulnerability for the others to attack.
I agree about her alignment as well; I think it's just her background has conditioned to be obedient and deferential, but certainly as she grows in confidence and belief in herself she's really more Neutral Good. And if it were up to me I would rewrite all of her ToB romance.
1st: Qaelan Bayle
2nd: Saemon Havarian
Ages ago, Irenicus probably would have been a first pick, but I´ve gained a new view of him entirely after watching the anime serie Naruto and being somehow tantalized by the villain, renegade ninja Orochimaru, and fascinated by his ambition which he achieved by experiments. Orochimaru´s tale of exile and seeking revenge on his homeland, or rather, hometown, seems much, much like the tale of Jon Irenicus.
Other - BG:EE
When I began my adventurous career as a dwarf in the original BG1, I was always interested in the mines various people were telling me about, but as of late, I´ve had a hard time to overcome the bother that is Nashkel mines - until my weapon broke. Then I became very motivated to find out the quilty and punish him/her/it for interrupting my highly succesful battles with mundane weapons.