@dee Make Drow PC'able. Call it an Easter Egg. Done and done. I like the logic at work here.
I honestly want the Drow (and the other subraces, too) mainly for the flavor. I want to be able to cast faerie fire and darkness. I want to take a slight penalty when outside under the sun. I want all the fun, small little extras that come with all of the other great subraces. If the story isn't quite as coherent, that's okay. No one is forcing anyone to play as a subrace. You could even have a little asterisk next to them that says "this subrace isn't canon for the plot of the game." Whatever.
What's important is that obviously a tremendous majority of people are for it and anyone against it simply doesn't have to play as them. There's no viable argument against this. As long as you add in their interesting, unique bonuses (which wouldn't take all that much time) most people would be happy- and that's certainly more in depth than "change your PC's skin and pretend LOL."
Baeloth is only playable in BG:EE, not in BG2:EE, i'm totally up for a petition to ATARI and WotC to allow the needed changes for a drow. This can be done and it's about the only way to get permission to introduce drow main char in the game with coherence.
This will need to be payable of course, otherwise we will have no incentive to make ATARI or WotC to make these permissions, but i don't see as impossible a future DLC introducing Drows and change in the original content through an DLC of something like $8-10. If the money get it's way to ATARI and WotC, probally this is possible.
So this is what i meant when i say if we're going to introduce drow, let's do it right!
@Dee Do we the people know which company it is restricts you guys from adding/changing content? I'd like to set up a petition to let them know we'd like changes to be made. I think it's obvious the game on the whole has been handled pretty well, and hopefully they'll have the confidence to change their minds if a civil but firm petition was launched?
@rathlord - I really do not think a tremendously large majority of people are for it.
If the dev's bring the Drow to Baldur's Gate it would be such a poor quality addition, it would actually likely diminish the stature of the game.
It would be so much easier for you guys to ask in the modding section, and leave the dev's to more important things. Things that they are more likely to include in the future: such as kits, NPC's and quests.
I would much rather see more of those, than an awfully done subrace inclusion with none of the dialogue changes, encounters and interactions. I am very much sure a tremendously large majority of people would prefer this also.
If a Dark Elven subrace is to be included, it should be done properly. If it cannot be done properly, it should not be included. To do so would ravish the soul of one of the greatest RPG's of all time. Surely you can see this?
@kamuizin I'm not sure if you're crazy or genius... ( probably both ) ..... .... ... .. . Ok, lets do it !
We can made petition here in FR. ( unless you do not know a better place ) Can you set up that petition ? ( and write in all those smart things ) I'd do it myself, but your English is much better than mine... :-(
I would suggest contacting the devs and ask if we have an channel with ATARI to ask this kind of thing, or maybe we should just make a pool get enough votes there and ask the devs to drag ATARI anda WotC attention to it. But i'm just making suggestions that i think possible.
So, @Dee can this request go foward to the devs, so they instruct us the better way (or the viable at least) to make this kind of request?
I've said this before in this and other threads: It would take too much time to do it properly, so we have no plans to do it. I wouldn't spend too much time on honing this request; the scope of it is just too great to ever be implemented.
The better request would be for subraces to be soft-coded, to allow modders to easily create a "Drow Mod". We've even hooked some things up in the next patch that will let you set a default color for a race. But if you're looking for an official implementation of Drow as a playable race in BG1 or BG2, you're more than likely wasting your time.
i realy wish devs had never hinted at there inclusion my false expectations of it being in the game at some point is a real frustration and has coloured my opinion of the EE's as a result
i realy wish devs had never hinted at there inclusion my false expectations of it being in the game at some point is a real frustration and has coloured my opinion of the EE's as a result
Subraces were something we were interested in early on, and we may look at the idea later on, but there's so many other things that are higher on the priority list (multiplayer, bug fixing, Intel issues--unholy gods, the Intel issues) that it is unlikely we'll get to it--and if we do, it is highly unlikely that we'll be interested in the kind of revamp that would be necessary to the core content of the game to make Drow a possibility for PCs.
Some NPCs are irritated by the presence of Viconia, but those reactions are few and far between. We would likely just ignore the fact that the player is a Drow, if we add sub-races. I mean, nobody seems to mind when you burst into a tavern bristling with swords and summoned magical beasts.
World reaction can be nice thing but some Drow is better then any Drow.
( I know you disagree @kamuizin but if is it only possible way, we must reduce our demands. )
It is qutie disappointing, though. Like I said, obviously something a lot of people want, it's something that's in the AD&D2 ruleset that likely just didn't make it originally due to budget constraints rather than any kind of development choice, and in the format I presented it would not be that hard to add.
I almost want to say this game could do with a "non-canon" checkbox at the beginning that would let you play with all kinds of options that maybe make a bit less sense, but could still make for some more fun/replayability for people.
It is qutie disappointing, though. Like I said, obviously something a lot of people want, it's something that's in the AD&D2 ruleset that likely just didn't make it originally due to budget constraints rather than any kind of development choice, and in the format I presented it would not be that hard to add.
I almost want to say this game could do with a "non-canon" checkbox at the beginning that would let you play with all kinds of options that maybe make a bit less sense, but could still make for some more fun/replayability for people.
That's called mods from where i come ! Just let us know when Beamdog start to request permissions to change original content big D, it can take time but then, we're here about what? 14 years playing the old good game? We can w8 no problem. When Beamdog start to make content changes we start this subject again.
i realy wish devs had never hinted at there inclusion my false expectations of it being in the game at some point is a real frustration and has coloured my opinion of the EE's as a result
Subraces were something we were interested in early on, and we may look at the idea later on, but there's so many other things that are higher on the priority list (multiplayer, bug fixing, Intel issues--unholy gods, the Intel issues) that it is unlikely we'll get to it--and if we do, it is highly unlikely that we'll be interested in the kind of revamp that would be necessary to the core content of the game to make Drow a possibility for PCs.
Subraces were something we were interested in early on, and we may look at the idea later on, but there's so many other things that are higher on the priority list (multiplayer, bug fixing, Intel issues--unholy gods, the Intel issues) that it is unlikely we'll get to it--and if we do, it is highly unlikely that we'll be interested in the kind of revamp that would be necessary to the core content of the game to make Drow a possibility for PCs.
yeh thats fair enough.
Although... if ever it comes up you'l remember to prioritise tieflings right!
If it does ever come up, we'll probably try to make it so that modders can more easily create their own subraces; so even if you don't see the one you're looking for as core content, making it happen shouldn't be terribly difficult.
How would you go about making it? A lot of development revolves around trial and error, making sure that a character is not too powerful but still playable. If any of you have heard of the mod "Six's Kitpack," it uses some editor to create custom kits. Shouldn't you be able to make races with the same program? Even if it isn't a drop-down like the kits are, you could still copy things from the elf race and edit them to create a drow subrace, or from the half-orc to make an orc subrace.
@Rokarus Unfortunately, little is ever that simple. And certainly not kits Anything remotely complicated needs a lot more than a GUI program. Subraces would need to be done on an engine level -- definitely nowhere near as easy as a kit.
@Rokarus subraces will require a new IDS file unless they are added as normal races (which is not so complicated). That IDS file is not used in the BG saga, it is only used for IWD2's subraces and PS:T's factions.
i will pay $200.00 if you add drow as playable race
I think that for less than a hundred bucks you can have more than 3 subraces if you ask to a modder. I don't think that Overhaul could make subraces for just two hundred.
I doubt Beamdog would object to an extra $200, but I think most of their effort is currently on getting the Android release out the door. I also don't think modders would be able to do it since I am mostly certain that some things, such as an extra menu similar to selecting kits from within the class menu, are hardcoded.
I would really like Aasimar and Tiefling races. Let's see what happens in the future. :-)
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What about make Drow race accessible after completion BG:EE ?
It would be VERY good easter egg.
I honestly want the Drow (and the other subraces, too) mainly for the flavor. I want to be able to cast faerie fire and darkness. I want to take a slight penalty when outside under the sun. I want all the fun, small little extras that come with all of the other great subraces. If the story isn't quite as coherent, that's okay. No one is forcing anyone to play as a subrace. You could even have a little asterisk next to them that says "this subrace isn't canon for the plot of the game." Whatever.
What's important is that obviously a tremendous majority of people are for it and anyone against it simply doesn't have to play as them. There's no viable argument against this. As long as you add in their interesting, unique bonuses (which wouldn't take all that much time) most people would be happy- and that's certainly more in depth than "change your PC's skin and pretend LOL."
This will need to be payable of course, otherwise we will have no incentive to make ATARI or WotC to make these permissions, but i don't see as impossible a future DLC introducing Drows and change in the original content through an DLC of something like $8-10. If the money get it's way to ATARI and WotC, probally this is possible.
So this is what i meant when i say if we're going to introduce drow, let's do it right!
If the dev's bring the Drow to Baldur's Gate it would be such a poor quality addition, it would actually likely diminish the stature of the game.
It would be so much easier for you guys to ask in the modding section, and leave the dev's to more important things. Things that they are more likely to include in the future: such as kits, NPC's and quests.
I would much rather see more of those, than an awfully done subrace inclusion with none of the dialogue changes, encounters and interactions. I am very much sure a tremendously large majority of people would prefer this also.
If a Dark Elven subrace is to be included, it should be done properly. If it cannot be done properly, it should not be included. To do so would ravish the soul of one of the greatest RPG's of all time. Surely you can see this?
I'm not sure if you're crazy or genius... ( probably both )
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Ok, lets do it !
We can made petition here in FR. ( unless you do not know a better place )
Can you set up that petition ? ( and write in all those smart things )
I'd do it myself, but your English is much better than mine... :-(
So, @Dee can this request go foward to the devs, so they instruct us the better way (or the viable at least) to make this kind of request?
The better request would be for subraces to be soft-coded, to allow modders to easily create a "Drow Mod". We've even hooked some things up in the next patch that will let you set a default color for a race. But if you're looking for an official implementation of Drow as a playable race in BG1 or BG2, you're more than likely wasting your time.
Must be some way !
PhillipDaigle was always excited from addition subraces.
WHO can officially approve Drow ?
i realy wish devs had never hinted at there inclusion my false expectations of it being in the game at some point is a real frustration and has coloured my opinion of the EE's as a result
So if you ever add Drow, it will be as @PhillipDaigle said ? World reaction can be nice thing but some Drow is better then any Drow.
( I know you disagree @kamuizin but if is it only possible way, we must reduce our demands. )
It is qutie disappointing, though. Like I said, obviously something a lot of people want, it's something that's in the AD&D2 ruleset that likely just didn't make it originally due to budget constraints rather than any kind of development choice, and in the format I presented it would not be that hard to add.
I almost want to say this game could do with a "non-canon" checkbox at the beginning that would let you play with all kinds of options that maybe make a bit less sense, but could still make for some more fun/replayability for people.
Although... if ever it comes up you'l remember to prioritise tieflings right!
That IDS file is not used in the BG saga, it is only used for IWD2's subraces and PS:T's factions.
I don't think that Overhaul could make subraces for just two hundred.
I doubt Beamdog would object to an extra $200, but I think most of their effort is currently on getting the Android release out the door. I also don't think modders would be able to do it since I am mostly certain that some things, such as an extra menu similar to selecting kits from within the class menu, are hardcoded.
I would really like Aasimar and Tiefling races. Let's see what happens in the future. :-)
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