@Skatan , I took it as a bard joke and not as a dwarf joke. He's just denigrating him for being a bard and calling him by his race, that is, he's weak because he's a bard, not because he's a dwarf. In what edition could dwarves start being bards, though? Not that they always shouldn't have been. Skald is perfect for dwarves. And Rich Burlew just recently prominently featured two dwarven bards in the fight he's got going on right now in Order of the Stick.
3rd edition, when basic race/class restrictions went the way of the dodo bird and disco. Some prestige classes were restricted by race, and of course alignment restrictions didn't go away entirely, but bards were definitely all-races friendly (in theory at least; dumb racial Charisma penalties meant even if you could, it wasn't necessarily true that you should).
@Skatan , I took it as a bard joke and not as a dwarf joke. He's just denigrating him for being a bard and calling him by his race, that is, he's weak because he's a bard, not because he's a dwarf. In what edition could dwarves start being bards, though? Not that they always shouldn't have been. Skald is perfect for dwarves. And Rich Burlew just recently prominently featured two dwarven bards in the fight he's got going on right now in Order of the Stick.
My friend, I hope you understand I was merely joking! But as someone who identifies as Dwarf, and since @grum sadly is never here anymore, I felt inclined to speak up, hehe..
Edit: Btw, I see now it have to be a duergar, and it's totally fine to belittle those basterds! :P
When you need a summoned planetar and you run into the summoning cap:
That's awesome! I really hate having to slaughter all of my skeletons/zombies in IWDEE just because I need to re-summon another batch somewhere else. I mean, they really can't follow me out of this cave???
I'm even already generating new characters just in case. But so far this run is going surprisingly well (although I may have to grind some more because Kivan ruined Bandit Camp for me)
So I made a Baldur's Gate themed Gilligan's Island Parody (can someone meme this?)
Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale; a tale of a fateful trip that started back in Ulgoth's Beard aboard a wolfwere's ship (aboard a wolfwere's ship)
They're lead by a Bhaalspawn sorceror and a priestess forged from war, the party all set sail that day for a high level chore (a high level chore)
The ship was plagued with mutiny, and though our heroes tried, if it a wasn't for a massive storm the party would've died (the party would've died)
The shipwreck washed ashore on an uncharted Trackless Isle with Zaram....
Alignment is more complicated that it seems. The Shadow Thieves are organized crime, which is incredibly Lawful Evil so it makes sense for Edwin to be there.
Alignment is more complicated that it seems. The Shadow Thieves are organized crime, which is incredibly Lawful Evil so it makes sense for Edwin to be there.
Well, he also betrays their employers at the first opportunity, breaking the contract and his loyalty to their bosses, which is not a very lawful thing, if you ask me.
@PsicoVic
Like I said, Alignment is more complicated than it seems. Lawful Evil characters don't just obey the law all the time. That's not how alignment works.
@PsicoVic
Like I said, Alignment is more complicated than it seems. Lawful Evil characters don't just obey the law all the time. That's not how alignment works.
Lawful characters do not have to be law-abiding citizens, but usually have a set of strong personal rules or beliefs, or they like order and traditions, a mindset that upholds the fundaments of society, or are faithful or trustworthy to their cause, some even believe they are doing good for the world,... Edwin seems to do always whatever he wants or thinks is good for him and only for him.
Some good people can do evil things, some chaotic people can do lawful things, but Edwin is persistent in not abide to rules in his entire career in bg.
Edwin is more a neutral character that does evil things, have a taste for power and lawfully betrays any group and association he joins, from Red wizards to shadow thieves to crusaders ( Besides the baalspawn party, it seems) when he wants to, do accept to travel with rashemen people for a while, and never fails to do whatever it takes to get what he wants, the world be damned. I fail to see any lawful characteristics in him.
If not, what is the point of alignment?
No, I am lawful good character but I sometimes look unfazed how my leader poisons druidic groves, rescues rashemen ladies from gnolls just to be able to assassinate them in person, murder someone to use his corpse to open planar spheres, kills dryads for fun and hair, give wild mages to red wizards so they can study them or unidentified corpses to necromancers, recruits evil bastards, joins vampire guilds to kill people, kill innocent bystanders and support slavers.
That does not make me evil, It is just that sometimes I do evil things.
A lawful character doesn't necessarily follow EVERY law he encounters. Its more likely they follow a specific code of law. Edwin is a Red Wizard, and while he doesn't seem liked by them, he IS pretty loyal to the organization.
@PsicoVic
Like I said, Alignment is more complicated than it seems. Lawful Evil characters don't just obey the law all the time. That's not how alignment works.
Lawful characters do not have to be law-abiding citizens, but usually have a set of strong personal rules or beliefs, or they like order and traditions, a mindset that upholds the fundaments of society, or are faithful or trustworthy to their cause, some even believe they are doing good for the world,... Edwin seems to do always whatever he wants or thinks is good for him and only for him.
Some good people can do evil things, some chaotic people can do lawful things, but Edwin is persistent in not abide to rules in his entire career in bg.
Edwin is more a neutral character that does evil things, have a taste for power and lawfully betrays any group and association he joins, from Red wizards to shadow thieves to crusaders ( Besides the baalspawn party, it seems) when he wants to, do accept to travel with rashemen people for a while, and never fails to do whatever it takes to get what he wants, the world be damned. I fail to see any lawful characteristics in him.
If not, what is the point of alignment?
No, I am lawful good character but I sometimes look unfazed how my leader poisons druidic groves, rescues rashemen ladies from gnolls just to be able to assassinate them in person, murder someone to use his corpse to open planar spheres, kills dryads for fun and hair, give wild mages to red wizards so they can study them or unidentified corpses to necromancers, recruits evil bastards, joins vampire guilds to kill people, kill innocent bystanders and support slavers.
That does not make me evil, It is just that sometimes I do evil things.
Yeah, but I always place my fork on the right side, wash my hands after every evil-doer slaying, put the toilet-seat down when I'm finished doing my business, never ride a horse over the speed limit and help old ladies cross the road....
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3rd edition, when basic race/class restrictions went the way of the dodo bird and disco. Some prestige classes were restricted by race, and of course alignment restrictions didn't go away entirely, but bards were definitely all-races friendly (in theory at least; dumb racial Charisma penalties meant even if you could, it wasn't necessarily true that you should).
My friend, I hope you understand I was merely joking!
Edit: Btw, I see now it have to be a duergar, and it's totally fine to belittle those basterds! :P
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That's awesome! I really hate having to slaughter all of my skeletons/zombies in IWDEE just because I need to re-summon another batch somewhere else. I mean, they really can't follow me out of this cave???
A failed no-reload run doesn't have to mean a failed playthrough.
True, but I'm doing a challenge where I just start over with a new class if I die.
https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/75807/zaram-maldovars-ill-fated-no-reload-journey-attempt-1-zhira-the-shadowdancer
I'm even already generating new characters just in case. But so far this run is going surprisingly well (although I may have to grind some more because Kivan ruined Bandit Camp for me)
Go for the head
Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale; a tale of a fateful trip that started back in Ulgoth's Beard aboard a wolfwere's ship (aboard a wolfwere's ship)
They're lead by a Bhaalspawn sorceror and a priestess forged from war, the party all set sail that day for a high level chore (a high level chore)
The ship was plagued with mutiny, and though our heroes tried, if it a wasn't for a massive storm the party would've died (the party would've died)
The shipwreck washed ashore on an uncharted Trackless Isle with Zaram....
The Priestess too...
The ranger, and his witch....
The space hamster...
The Blackguard and Imoen
Here on Balduran's Isle!
I'm disappointed that nobody else made this meme.
Alignment is more complicated that it seems. The Shadow Thieves are organized crime, which is incredibly Lawful Evil so it makes sense for Edwin to be there.
Well, he also betrays their employers at the first opportunity, breaking the contract and his loyalty to their bosses, which is not a very lawful thing, if you ask me.
Like I said, Alignment is more complicated than it seems. Lawful Evil characters don't just obey the law all the time. That's not how alignment works.
Lawful characters do not have to be law-abiding citizens, but usually have a set of strong personal rules or beliefs, or they like order and traditions, a mindset that upholds the fundaments of society, or are faithful or trustworthy to their cause, some even believe they are doing good for the world,... Edwin seems to do always whatever he wants or thinks is good for him and only for him.
Some good people can do evil things, some chaotic people can do lawful things, but Edwin is persistent in not abide to rules in his entire career in bg.
Edwin is more a neutral character that does evil things, have a taste for power and lawfully betrays any group and association he joins, from Red wizards to shadow thieves to crusaders ( Besides the baalspawn party, it seems) when he wants to, do accept to travel with rashemen people for a while, and never fails to do whatever it takes to get what he wants, the world be damned. I fail to see any lawful characteristics in him.
If not, what is the point of alignment?
No, I am lawful good character but I sometimes look unfazed how my leader poisons druidic groves, rescues rashemen ladies from gnolls just to be able to assassinate them in person, murder someone to use his corpse to open planar spheres, kills dryads for fun and hair, give wild mages to red wizards so they can study them or unidentified corpses to necromancers, recruits evil bastards, joins vampire guilds to kill people, kill innocent bystanders and support slavers.
That does not make me evil, It is just that sometimes I do evil things.
Yeah, but I always place my fork on the right side, wash my hands after every evil-doer slaying, put the toilet-seat down when I'm finished doing my business, never ride a horse over the speed limit and help old ladies cross the road....
This is also "fighting golems with 2 clerics" in a nutshell.
Scene 1: Sarevok marching epically towards a bunch of merchants.
NPC: Get out of here! He's coming!
NPC 2: Somenthing ain't right.
NPC: Yo yo! Get out of here, Sarevok's coming!
NPC 3: Oh s***!
Sarevok: I'll be needin' all your iron. Don't even think about askin's for Kobolds.
SCENE 2: Minsc in prison
Minsc: Where's Boo at?
Charname and Imoen walk away from Minsc with a sad expression on their faces.
Minsc: WHERE'S BOO AT CHARNAME!? Cuz if there's some evil with eyes let him know. Boo Always goes for the eyes.
Scene 3: Charname and Viconia are ready to face the trials in baator but Charname suddenly stops on his tracks.
Viconia: What are you shy? Walk up to the portal and you'll get to be the new god of murder.
Charname points a crossbow at Viconia.
Viconia: Heh, should have know. You were never a real evil aligned Player Character. Always having feelings and s***.
Charname loads his crossbow
Viconia: How's my hair looking Charname?
Charname: Looks silvery Vic.
CRITICAL HIT
@semiticgod Not beyond the Mortuary.