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  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    Wikileaks and Assange releasing more info in a bad Trump news cycle?? Who could have guessed.....still waiting on Assange to fulfill his promise to leave his embassy immunity now that Chelsea Manning has been pardoned.
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,963

    Wikileaks and Assange releasing more info in a bad Trump news cycle?? Who could have guessed.....still waiting on Assange to fulfill his promise to leave his embassy immunity now that Chelsea Manning has been pardoned.

    Right after Trump accused Obama of "tapping his wires" comes a big intelligence agency leak from Russia affiliated WikiLeaks.

    Why would Russia want to put pressure on the CIA and intelligence agencies now right after Trump tried to get an investigation into whether Trump tower was tapped. Just because they laughed in his face when he asked?
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited March 2017
    There is absolutely no reason to take anything Wikileaks publishes at face value. If someone is willing to hack to obtain information, they are most assuredly NOT above manipulating or altering that information to make it fit their narrative. Assange has revealed himself to be a scurrilous character at best, and they were an active participant in the Russian election interference.
  • semiticgoddesssemiticgoddess Member Posts: 14,903
    Was Russia actually the source of the leak? Because I'd assume it was a CIA employee who leaked CIA documents.

    If Russia was able to hack into the CIA and steal its documents, that would actually be far more disturbing.
  • semiticgoddesssemiticgoddess Member Posts: 14,903
    For what it's worth, Wikileaks has never released a document known to be falsified or doctored. So far, their leaks are 100% true.

    The only accuracy problem is that some people's secrets never get exposed while others do. Leaks are not equally distributed.
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,963
    edited March 2017
    The first public hearing on Russian meddling in the US elections will be held on March 20th.  

    Witnesses will include:
    James Comey, Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation
    James Clapper, former Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency
    Mike Rogers, Director of the National Security Agency
    John Brennan, former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency
    Sally Yates, former Acting Attorney General
    Dmitri Alperovich, co-founder and Chief Technology Officer of CrowdStrike
    Shawn Henry, CrowdStrike Services President, and Chief Security Officer
  • WarChiefZekeWarChiefZeke Member Posts: 2,652
    Wikileaks has a sterling track record, surely you can not doubt Wikileaks which publicly reveals it's evidence yet be convinced of Russian influence on the election or american gov't...

    I still remember a time when you could barely find a dissenting left wing voice who didn't sing the praises of Wikileaks for releasing cables related to the Iraq War.
  • vanatosvanatos Member Posts: 876
    Snowden considers it authentic and is currently reading through it.


  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850

    Wikileaks has a sterling track record, surely you can not doubt Wikileaks which publicly reveals it's evidence yet be convinced of Russian influence on the election or american gov't...

    I still remember a time when you could barely find a dissenting left wing voice who didn't sing the praises of Wikileaks for releasing cables related to the Iraq War.

    I certainly never needed Wikileaks to confirm Iraq was a giant disaster of epic proportions, just a single functioning brain cell.
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,963

    Wikileaks has a sterling track record, surely you can not doubt Wikileaks which publicly reveals it's evidence yet be convinced of Russian influence on the election or american gov't...

    I still remember a time when you could barely find a dissenting left wing voice who didn't sing the praises of Wikileaks for releasing cables related to the Iraq War.

    I certainly never needed Wikileaks to confirm Iraq was a giant disaster of epic proportions, just a single functioning brain cell.
    Yeah. Osama Bin Laden was in Afghanistan. So why are we going to war with Iraq? It made no sense. Colin Powell went out there on a limb and tried to add some legitimacy to the whole thing and instead ruined his career and looked like an idiot with the rest of them.
  • YamchaYamcha Member Posts: 486
    @smeagolheart Why Iraq ? Because of the false reports of weapons of mass destruction:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#Between_inspections:_1998-2003

    Maybe the real reasons come to light when the information gets declassified in a few decades.


    Fun Fact: Angela Merkel wanted to join this shit show back then, and is now our beloved Chancellor... :disappointed:
  • semiticgoddesssemiticgoddess Member Posts: 14,903
    edited March 2017
    The Kaiser Family Foundation created an interactive map that shows how the new healthcare plan's subsidies compare to the subsidies from Obamacare, divided by age, income, and location. You can search for how much the plan impacts you.

    I personally get $2,000 (!) in extra subsidies under the GOP plan, assuming I get the job I want. But there are two very clear trends in the new plan, and I'm not sure I approve:

    1. People with high incomes get a lot more money. People with lower incomes get a lot less.
    2. Younger people get a lot more money. Older people get less.
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,367


    1. People with high incomes get a lot more money. People with lower incomes get a lot less.
    2. Younger people get a lot more money. Older people get less.

    Death panels aren't very expensive.

    Sorry, couldn't resist. (Runs to microwave to grab popcorn!)
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,963
    Yamcha said:

    @smeagolheart Why Iraq ? Because of the false reports of weapons of mass destruction:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#Between_inspections:_1998-2003

    Maybe the real reasons come to light when the information gets declassified in a few decades.


    Fun Fact: Angela Merkel wanted to join this shit show back then, and is now our beloved Chancellor... :disappointed:

    Yeah I know that's what they said but going off the simple level of things - what's that got to do with Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan? There was no connection - even if he really had had WMDs.
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,963

    It phases out the Medicaid expansion by 2020. Older people will get a $4000 voucher. Who the hell is going to be able to get a health insurance plan for $4000 a year at that age?? It eliminates critical care rules (basically, whatever plan you get may not even cover the most basic of procedures). It eliminates the employer mandate for full-time employees. It allows insurance companies to hike premiums 30% for anyone with a lapse in coverage. The vouchers don't account for rate hikes, they are static. Estimates are that 15 million people are going to lose their insurance. But they'll probably be ok if they just give up their cell phone.

    In the end, it may die on the vine regardless. In the Senate because of Republican defections in states with the Medicaid expansion, and in the House because the Freedom Caucus thinks it doesn't kick people off their insurance fast or cruelly enough.

    The AARP has come out against Ryancare. Trump himself, who doubtless has not read the replacement health plan, has gone all in on this stupid new health plan. He even gathered Repub house members and threatened them with an "electoral bloodbath!" if they don't keep doing his bidding. They'll probably crumble like always. Which is fine. Let them have this worse Obamacare. Then they are fooked and will all be voted out.
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  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited March 2017
    Ultimately, Obamacare's greatest virtue was not curtailing costs (mixed bag, especially if you fell outside the subsidies) or insuring 20+ million more people. It was the fact that it no longer allowed the insurance industry to engage in these amoral, predatory practices. The GOP plan gives them free reign to start all that again.
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  • DragonKingDragonKing Member Posts: 1,977
    Did I say it makes me want to kill myself?

    Seriously, there's the regressive left trying to convince me how I'm oh so oppressed because of the color of my skin.

    You have the Alt Right who really aren't much better.

    You have feminism trying to convince me women are oh so oppressed despite the fact I can point out things that women have that men don't. Then they tell me to just believe every bullshit spilled out their mouth and because I'm straight I can't speak about the experience homosexuality or women but they can speak about my experience since I have a penis.

    It's so fucking annoying!
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,963
    President Trump's business just got Chinese approval to Operate Escort Services.

    Happy women's day folks.
  • WarChiefZekeWarChiefZeke Member Posts: 2,652
    The Obamacare repeal is a joke. I can not endorse this corporate giveaway.
  • vanatosvanatos Member Posts: 876
    edited March 2017
    Job creation posts blowout month in February, ADP says
    The report encompassed the first full month under President Donald Trump, who has pledged to rebuild the nation's aging infrastructure system.

    Employment in the private sector surged by 298,000 for the month, with goods producers adding 106,000, ADP and Moody's Analytics said. Construction jobs swelled by 66,000 and manufacturing added 32,000.

    The total shattered market expectations of 190,000, according to economists surveyed by ADP. The blockbuster report also solidified market expectations for the Fed to hike interest rates next week. Probability for an increase jumped to 91 percent after the release, according to the CME.


    "Confidence is playing a large role," Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody's Analytics, told CNBC. "Businesses are anticipating a lot of good stuff — tax cuts, less regulation. They are hiring more aggressively."

    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/08/private-sector-jobs-february-2017-adp.html
  • semiticgoddesssemiticgoddess Member Posts: 14,903
    edited March 2017
    I wish Obama had gotten proper credit for the job growth during his term, especially from conservative voices.

    According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the majority of Obama's term experienced extended job growth. It's especially notable considering Obama had to deal with a recession that began before he took office.



    Unlike Obama, Trump did not inherit a recession. He inherited a strong economy that already had high job growth.
  • vanatosvanatos Member Posts: 876
    edited March 2017


    Unlike Obama, Trump did not inherit a recession. He inherited a strong economy that already had high job growth.

    Its easier to have positive growth after a period of recession (things swing back up).
    Its harder to out-perform estimation of growth off the back of positive growth (as you stated) because it means you have to curve a positive trend even sharper.

    Jobs under Obama's term is quite complicated, alot of temp jobs, alot less full-time jobs.
    https://www.investing.com/news/economy-news/nearly-95-of-all-job-growth-during-obama-era-part-time,-contract-work-449057

    Gender Swapping: Female Trump more popular then Male Hillary
    a production featuring actors performing excerpts from each of the three debates exactly as they happened—but with the genders switched.

    Based on the conversations after the performances, it sounded like audience members had their beliefs rattled in a similar way. What were some themes that emerged from their responses?
    We heard a lot of “now I understand how this happened”—meaning how Trump won the election. People got upset. There was a guy two rows in front of me who was literally holding his head in his hands, and the person with him was rubbing his back. The simplicity of Trump’s message became easier for people to hear when it was coming from a woman—that was a theme. One person said, “I’m just so struck by how precise Trump’s technique is.” Another—a musical theater composer, actually—said that Trump created “hummable lyrics,” while Clinton talked a lot, and everything she was was true and factual, but there was no “hook” to it. Another theme was about not liking either candidate—you know, “I wouldn’t vote for either one.” Someone said that Jonathan Gordon [the male Hillary Clinton] was “really punchable” because of all the smiling. And a lot of people were just very surprised by the way it upended their expectations about what they thought they would feel or experience. There was someone who described Brenda King [the female Donald Trump] as his Jewish aunt who would take care of him, even though he might not like his aunt. Someone else described her as the middle school principal who you don’t like, but you know is doing good things for you.
    What did you find most surprising?

    I was particularly struck by the post-performance discussions about effeminacy. People felt that the male version of Clinton was feminine, and that that was bad. As a gay man who worked really hard, especially when I was younger, to erase femininity from my body—for better or worse—I found myself feeling really upset hearing those things. Daryl [the actor playing Jonathan Gordon, the male Clinton] and I have talked about this multiple times since the performances. Never once in rehearsal did we say, “play this more feminine.” So I think it was mostly the smiling piece—so many women have told me that they’re taught to smile through things that are uncomfortable. It’s been really powerful to hear women talk about that, and a learning experience for me. I was surprised by how critical I was seeing [Clinton] on a man’s body, and also by the fact that I didn’t find Trump’s behavior on a woman to be off-putting. I remember turning to Maria at one point in the rehearsals and saying, "I kind of want to have a beer with her!" The majority of my extended family voted for Trump. In some ways, I developed empathy for people who voted for him by doing this project, which is not what I was expecting. I expected it to make me more angry at them, but it gave me an understanding of what they might have heard or experienced when he spoke.

    -https://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2017/march/trump-clinton-debates-gender-reversal.html

    What an interesting experiment.
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  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,963
    Why are we still talking about Hillary lol? Shes not doing anything these days.
  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 7,811

    Why are we still talking about Hillary lol? Shes not doing anything these days.

    So the next person can learn from her mistakes.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    Hillary walked away gracefully despite more mitigating circumstances than perhaps any Presidential election ever. Put it this way: if (hypothetically) the Democrats take back Congress in 2018 or the Presidency in 2020, can ANYONE with a straight face say that Trump won't immediately use the office of the Presidency to call into question the legitimacy of those results?? Everyone here knows that it's near 100% certainty that he would.
  • semiticgoddesssemiticgoddess Member Posts: 14,903
    I suppose it's not too surprising that people found male Hillary Clinton a little odd. Men are generally seen as less intelligent if they smile a lot, as Clinton did during the debates... and Clinton was never known for being a charismatic figure. She's a policymaker, not an orator.
    vanatos said:


    Its easier to have positive growth after a period of recession (things swing back up).
    Its harder to out-perform estimation of growth off the back of positive growth (as you stated) because it means you have to curve a positive trend even sharper.

    My point was not so much that the recovery was fast; it was that the job growth was sustained. Job growth under Obama lasted for years on end, long after the recession was over. We're still riding that wave.

    Trump's effect on job growth, and most things in general, won't be known until 2018 or so. I plan on posting on the issue next January to see how things have progressed as far as GDP growth, unemployment, inflation, and the federal deficit.
  • vanatosvanatos Member Posts: 876
    edited March 2017
    True, these are preliminary and tentatively positive economic outcomes but we won't be able to do a full analysis until at least a year is out.


    Hillary walked away gracefully despite more mitigating circumstances than perhaps any Presidential election ever.

    There was nothing graceful about Hillary not showing up and getting Podesta to curtly tell everyone its over.
    It was something she was roundly criticized for.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    vanatos said:

    True, these are preliminary and tentatively positive economic outcomes but we won't be able to do a full analysis until at least a year is out.


    Hillary walked away gracefully despite more mitigating circumstances than perhaps any Presidential election ever.

    There was nothing graceful about Hillary not showing up and getting Podesta to curtly tell everyone its over.
    It was something she was roundly criticized for.
    It was 3 o'clock in the morning. Who would have seen that speech besides political die-hards?? She came out first thing the next morning, just like Kerry in '04.
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