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  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited July 2017

    I've heard it said that the ACA is failing because it depends on subsidies to live. But that's true for every other American law or agency or department.

    Cut off funding for the military and it will die.

    Cut off funding for the IRS and it will die.

    Cut off funding for the EPA and it will die.

    Cut off funding for Medicare and it will die.

    Cut off funding for Obamacare and it will die.

    It should be noted that the GOP wants to cut or outright eliminate practically every single one of those except the first one, which they want to increase. At this point they wouldn't dare touch Medicare, but they've already made it abundantly clear what they want to do to Medicaid.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited July 2017
    In a follow-up to what I wrote about Trump's speech in front of the Suffolk County PD yesterday, I happened upon this letter written to a website I frequent by a veteran police officer, in response to what he said:

    I’m f*****g furious.

    This two-bit gangster, would-be dictator just set police-community relations back by a quarter of a century.

    “When you guys put somebody in the car and you’re protecting their head, you know, the way you put their hand over,” he mimicked an officer putting a handcuffed person in the back of a squad car, the officer’s hand over the suspect’s head. “Like, don’t hit their head and they’ve just killed somebody? Don’t hit their head?”

    “I said, you can take the hand away, OK?” he concluded, to laughter, and then loud applause.”

    The reaction of officers in the room to the President’s words as described is troubling and embarrassing. Any officer who causes injury to a person in custody is open to internal disciplinary charges, criminal assault charges, official misconduct, and Federal civil rights violations, as well as civil liability. This is NOT the Wild West, as POTUS seems to imagine.

    Police Officers are not judge and jury. We do not meet out punishment. Every person has the constitutional right to a presumption of innocence. We are authorized to use minimum force necessary to take a person into custody. Once in custody, police are responsible for the health and well-being of the arrestee.

    I would direct the POTUS to the definition of the word “custody”.

  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,964
    edited July 2017


    I would direct the POTUS to the definition of the word “custody”.

    Ha custody, he doesn't know the meaning of the word.
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  • AyiekieAyiekie Member Posts: 975

    In a follow-up to what I wrote about Trump's speech in front of the Suffolk County PD yesterday, I happened upon this letter written to a website I frequent by a veteran police officer, in response to what he said:

    I’m f*****g furious.

    This two-bit gangster, would-be dictator just set police-community relations back by a quarter of a century.

    Let's not overburden Trump with unearned plaudits, here. I mean, for starters, by next week nobody will remember this because they'll be too busy raging about what he's done next.

    Any officer who causes injury to a person in custody is open to internal disciplinary charges, criminal assault charges, official misconduct, and Federal civil rights violations, as well as civil liability.

    I'm willing to accept for the sake of argument that this person has lived up to this, and may even know other police officers that have.

    Despite that: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.


    Police Officers are not judge and jury. We do not meet out punishment. Every person has the constitutional right to a presumption of innocence. We are authorized to use minimum force necessary to take a person into custody. Once in custody, police are responsible for the health and well-being of the arrestee.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

    I shouldn't laugh, I guess. It'd be nice if it were true.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited July 2017
    Ayiekie said:

    In a follow-up to what I wrote about Trump's speech in front of the Suffolk County PD yesterday, I happened upon this letter written to a website I frequent by a veteran police officer, in response to what he said:

    I’m f*****g furious.

    This two-bit gangster, would-be dictator just set police-community relations back by a quarter of a century.

    Let's not overburden Trump with unearned plaudits, here. I mean, for starters, by next week nobody will remember this because they'll be too busy raging about what he's done next.

    Any officer who causes injury to a person in custody is open to internal disciplinary charges, criminal assault charges, official misconduct, and Federal civil rights violations, as well as civil liability.

    I'm willing to accept for the sake of argument that this person has lived up to this, and may even know other police officers that have.

    Despite that: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.


    Police Officers are not judge and jury. We do not meet out punishment. Every person has the constitutional right to a presumption of innocence. We are authorized to use minimum force necessary to take a person into custody. Once in custody, police are responsible for the health and well-being of the arrestee.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

    I shouldn't laugh, I guess. It'd be nice if it were true.
    I realize this isn't often the case, I was posting it because it's what cops SHOULD do, not what I believe they do 100% of the time. Regardless, the last thing they need is to be encouraged by an authoritarian like Trump. I've actually heard the argument from the right that Trump's comments here show how much he appreciates law enforcement. How does telling them to bang a suspects head on the squad car door show support for police?? In this day and age, that's like showing support for an alcoholic by buying them a fifth of vodka.
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,964
    edited July 2017

    I've actually heard the argument from the right that Trump's comments here show how much he appreciates law enforcement.

    It's not like Trump actually did anything for law enforcement. He encouraged them to behave in ways that are illegal. It's not like he got them new funding for training. It's not like he was able to use his master (lol) negotiating skills to get them additional time off or anything. He didn't suddenly have a brilliant insight into ways cops could reorganize their departments to be more effective.

    It was a dog and pony show encouraging cops to be violent and warning them of what he says is turrible awful danger of this one gang. He was telling them they should be scared or people. He encouraged them to ignore law and order and so rightfully police departments that saw through it are pissed.

    When you get a Trump speech at your place he's to use you. He's to going to tell you how he, Donald J. Trump, is great and won the election by a landslide and the clouds parted and god smiled on him and a rainbow appeared. He's going to tell you how you should be pissing your pants scared of this immigrant group or those brown skinned people. And he's going to say some inappropriate remarks about women. But mostly he's going to brag about himself. He's done this last week at the boy scouts, he did this the day after the election at FBI HQ, and at this cop speech.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited July 2017
    Scaramucci out as Communications Director after just 240 hours. Not days, hours. This is a goddamn clown show. No, wait, that isn't fair. That's an insult to clowns.
  • FinneousPJFinneousPJ Member Posts: 6,455
    Omnishambles
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,964
    Back to wall street to make a lot of money
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,371
    Too bad, I was really looking forward to hearing Bohemian Rhapsody 1000 more times...
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 12,235

    Scaramucci out as Communications Director after just 240 hours. Not days, hours. This is a goddamn clown show. No, wait, that isn't fair. That's an insult to clowns.

    Wow.
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,964
    Balrog99 said:

    Too bad, I was really looking forward to hearing Bohemian Rhapsody 1000 more times...

    Scaramucci gotta go♫
  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 7,811
    I guess he did his job in getting Spicer and Priebus to resign instead of Trump having to fire them.

    Oh well.
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,371
    I'm thinking of getting a Twitter account so I can tweet Trump my resume. He might need me before long. How long would I have to work for him b4 my golden parachute kicks in?
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited July 2017
    Let's say for the sake of argument that you are one of those people who voted for Trump so he would run the White House like a business (I'm not a person who believes that is a good idea, but devil's advocate). Do you know of ANY business that would be in good shape with this kind of turnover in so many key positions in roughly half a year?? Any business that would be even remotely effective with this kind of staff turmoil?? No one in their right mind would ever take this job. This isn't like offering to be a member of the band on the Titanic. It's offering to be a member of that band when you have advance knowledge the ship is going to hit an iceberg and sink.

    I realize most Americans don't give a shit about the White House Communications Director. But let's review why this is important: It's because we live in a world with many, many other countries, some allies, some enemies. And it isn't unreasonable to expect them to have a consistent message and present a unified front, rather than be a viper pit. If you're another country looking at the most powerful military might in the history of the world, what you want to be able to say to yourself, more than anything, is "well, at least we know there are reasonable, sober, serious, professional people in charge over there." We don't have an ounce of that at the moment.
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  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,371
    That's why he might need me eventually. Just sayin'...
  • semiticgoddesssemiticgoddess Member Posts: 14,903
    It seems like this could lead to a spiral. The more people leave the Trump administration, the fewer people are going to want to go in. And since a lot of the country's best and brightest have already shied away from the administration, it's not like Trump has a lot of options for good people to hire.
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,371
    edited August 2017

    It seems like this could lead to a spiral. The more people leave the Trump administration, the fewer people are going to want to go in. And since a lot of the country's best and brightest have already shied away from the administration, it's not like Trump has a lot of options for good people to hire.

    Who knows @semiticgod, maybe you're on his short list. Assuming you're not Canadian of course.

    Seriously though, I thought I was chaotic good but this amount of chaos is leading me to believe I'm more neutral good...
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    Late news tonight from the Washington Post, that Don Jr.'s initial false and misleading statement about his Russian meeting was dictated by the President himself. Just add it to the massive pile of lies. Again, for what seems like the dozenth time, WHY the endless lies and attempts to cover up something they insist is nothing?? It defies all logic to think there is nothing there. It would require you to abandon everything you know about human behavior. Furthermore, this is another story that is coming to light because of leaks from Trump's OWN White House. When Trump complains about the leaks, most people don't realize that (in the grand tradition of the babysitter getting strange calls) the phone call is coming from inside the house. There are clearly people working for the President so alarmed by everything he does that we keep getting these stories.
  • ZaghoulZaghoul Member, Moderator Posts: 3,938
    So Gen. Kelly started today and Scarm is out huh. Good.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited August 2017
    Zaghoul said:

    So Gen. Kelly started today and Scarm is out huh. Good.

    Kelly won't last more than 6 months either. I'll take any bet on that sight unseen.
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,371
    @jjstraka34
    I gave you an insightful there but I'm not sure that's a Nostradamos level prediction. Maybe Trump should just name himself to all cabinet positions and save us all the drama...
  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 7,811
    Balrog99 said:

    jjstraka34
    I gave you an insightful there but I'm not sure that's a Nostradamos level prediction. Maybe Trump should just name himself to all cabinet positions and save us all the drama...

    jj is hedging his bet that Trump himself won't last another 6 months.
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,371
    deltago said:

    Balrog99 said:

    jjstraka34
    I gave you an insightful there but I'm not sure that's a Nostradamos level prediction. Maybe Trump should just name himself to all cabinet positions and save us all the drama...

    jj is hedging his bet that Trump himself won't last another 6 months.
    Yeah, that last prediction is like going all in when you have a royal flush after the flop. At least toy with us a little bit!
  • ZaghoulZaghoul Member, Moderator Posts: 3,938
    I'm interested with who will be in for Homeland Security. I at least felt more comfortable with Kelly in that position, particularly in all his briefings, even if the dems could only think of a concrete wall AS a wall. Seems every time I watched they all had concrete walls blocking the reasoning centers of a rational brain.I sure as heck hope t rump does not consider Sessions for that. I spose though it's anything possible these days.
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,371
    Anybody watch Designated Survivor? I wonder if North Korea would bomb D.C. or Mar el Lago? If they took out D.C. who is the D.S.? Carson or DeVoss???
  • ZaghoulZaghoul Member, Moderator Posts: 3,938
    edited August 2017
    Balrog99 said:

    Anybody watch Designated Survivor? I wonder if North Korea would bomb D.C. or Mar el Lago? If they took out D.C. who is the D.S.? Carson or DeVoss???

    Oh lawd, there are some real doozies in this list.

    After VP , then Speaker of the house, then Senate pro temp. I think it runs like this, if CNN is right:
    1. Secretary of State
    2. Secretary of the Treasury
    3. Secretary of Defense
    4. Attorney General
    5. Secretary of the Interior
    6. Secretary of Agriculture
    7. Secretary of Commerce
    8. Secretary of Labor
    9. Secretary of Health and Human Services
    10. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
    11. Secretary of Transportation
    12. Secretary of Energy
    13. Secretary of Education
    14. Secretary of Veterans Affairs
    15. Secretary of Homeland Security


  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,371
    edited August 2017
    Is Kiefer Sutherland on this list somewhere?

    I'd take Kevin Kline from Dave too...
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,964
    edited August 2017

    It seems like this could lead to a spiral. The more people leave the Trump administration, the fewer people are going to want to go in. And since a lot of the country's best and brightest have already shied away from the administration, it's not like Trump has a lot of options for good people to hire.

    Seems like he could dredge up a lot of candidates on Twitter and comments section of news websites or YouTube
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