I never knew about this mod until this very moment. Seems very, very interesting. I'll take it for a whirl with my next re-install. Thank you for your hard work. Any hope of seeing Tenya in BG2ee ?
Has this been reported already? I have just let her join my party. I tried her PID a bit and I found an option to discuss about Ran? and some related events with Umberlee. Problem is that I have not even been to Baldur's Gate city yet nor had any event that would fit. Maybe a dialogue option that needs to check some global to be set?
Tenya's interjects with Charleston Nib appear to be misplace. They occur in the dialogue prior entering the tomb. From their contents they seem to be planned for inside the tomb. In addition, there is mentioning of the second scroll for Firewine. Here is a screenshot Do not mind the background, I scrolled back the dialogue after I entered the tomb and played the whole sequel. The dialogue in the picture and the journal entry took place alredy outdoors.
Update for all: I heard from @Coutelier in March about some issues. As it was made some time ago before a few patches to the engine there are probably some issues. For the most part works pretty well, but do not get captured by the flaming fist after returning from CK. That bit is broken with Neb, in my tests, although quite funny. Results in getting stuck there. He was going to work on it a little but did not have a save near it and had not played it in a while. No other game breaking issues that I found.
@PaulaMigrate I was reading that thread. I always thought she's fairly unique as is. But I spose if they can work out a way to change existing NPC's to go with FnP's mod, it is not totally unwarranted. She so seems so Umberlee oriented though, and a very young child at that, it is hard to picture her having to choose anything else, esp, given her questline. They definitely need to add the Umberlee option.
@PaulaMigrate I was reading that thread. I always thought she's fairly unique as is. But I spose if they can work out a way to change existing NPC's to go with FnP's mod, it is not totally unwarranted. She so seems so Umberlee oriented though, and a very young child at that, it is hard to picture her having to choose anything else, esp, given her questline. They definitely need to add the Umberlee option.
It is a bit of a problem of that F&P mod with some of the NPCs. The option to change makes little sense for those whose plot/quests/personality is deeply connected to their deity, like with Tenya (Umberlee) but also with Viconia (Shar) , Sandrah (Mystra), or Gavin (Lathander). I guess there is a technical limit for a mod to read *priest* and add it to its tweaks vs. to exclude some specific ones that are too special.
Tenya is a fantastic character. The first time I had done her quest in vanilla BG I thought "Now that's a character who deserves expansion." So im glad others agreed.
Now, it's safe to say that Tenya is easily the most powerful BG1 character. A halberd striking at +6 damage, an elemental with high damage output, all sorts of, frankly, really cool damage spells that I enjoy spamming relentlessly. It's not a criticism. it's enjoyable.
Her writing is really great and I hope you eventually have the time and inclination to make a BG2 portion.
In assumed perhaps wrongly that if they wouldn't accept the installation of Tenya, it was because of a mod conflict and the only possible mod conflict that I could see was with FnP. I would have to do a fresh installation to check that out. I will try a new installation with fewer mods and see what happens.
Too late. I have just discovered that. I'll have to do further investigations. Is Tenya dependent on F&P?
I realise now that I dropped F&P for other reasons, and that might be the reason that Tenya wouldn't install.
Tenya does not depend on F&P nor on any other mod. I have her installed (with BWS) in my game. During playthrough I discovered an issue between those two mods. I reported this and it was corrected (see @subtledoctor 's post above). This issue was previously unknown and thus not even handled by BWS.
I want to thank everyone who's played Tenya. She seems to have taken off a bit in my absence. I know about the bug with Neb from many people, but I'm afraid I do have to come clean about one thing - I don't actually know anything about modding this game. I did once, but I put this and other mods together by reading and adapting various guides then experimenting and then basically hacking at the scripts until they worked. I've not retained much knowledge of what exactly I did. Now I know with Neb it's a problem with the script - after interacting with Tenya he's supposed to just act like he normally would if the player had slapped him a few times. So I know roughly where I need to look to fix it but finding the time to unpack everything to tweak and test it is still very difficult for me right now.
IF
True()
THEN
RESPONSE #100
CutSceneId("tenya")
setGlobal("AttackNEB","AR0607",1)
EquipMostDamagingMelee()
FaceObject("Neb")
SetSequence(SEQ_ATTACK_SLASH)
SmallWait(6)
ApplyDamage("Neb",5,CRUSHING)
SmallWait(6)
DisplayStringHead("Neb",~EEP!~)
Wait(1)
ActionOverride("Neb",RunAwayFrom("tenya",60))
Wait(2)
DisplayStringHead("Tenya",~Get back here, you grimy little gnome!~)
Wait(2)
EndCutSceneMode()
END
The RunAwayFrom action will cause targets to run through walls and disappear if they can't run any further away from the target (in this case, Tenya). RunAwayFromNoLeaveArea prevents this issue, though you'll see the target stuttering as they try to run into the wall.
Also, I'm not sure if it's a mod compatibility issue or what, but ApplyDamage can sometimes turn Neb hostile, which also breaks the game. It's safer to have ActionOverride("Neb",ApplyDamage(Myself,5,CRUSHING)).
Here's the fixed script for you:
IF
True()
THEN
RESPONSE #100
CutSceneId("tenya")
setGlobal("AttackNEB","AR0607",1)
EquipMostDamagingMelee()
FaceObject("Neb")
SetSequence(SEQ_ATTACK_SLASH)
SmallWait(6)
ActionOverride("Neb",ApplyDamage(Myself,5,CRUSHING))
SmallWait(6)
DisplayStringHead("Neb",~EEP!~)
Wait(1)
ActionOverride("Neb",RunAwayFromNoLeaveArea("tenya",60))
Wait(2)
DisplayStringHead("Tenya",~Get back here, you grimy little gnome!~)
Wait(2)
EndCutSceneMode()
END
As a reward for everyone, I shall share with you some Tenya trivia. All of the names in this mod follow the theme of water (I of course didn't name Tenya, but I believe there is a Sushi chain in Japan called that):
Ebba - In old English means 'flowing tide' (In German and Swedish it means 'strong'). It's a halbard in game, but I guess I pictured it as in fact being more like a naginata, or ko-naginata (a slightly smaller variant intended for use by women).
Kelda - Scandinavian meaning spring or fountain.
Ran - Lots of origins and meanings for the name 'Ran', but in this case we're going with the norse meaning sea goddess.
Naida - Water nymph.
Lethe - One of the five rivers of Hades. People who drank from it forgot everything.
Oh, one thing people might have missed as Tenya isn't voiced (if I had the money to spare maybe I'd have tried to hire someone), but she does have text that pops up for actions. For example, if made the party leader she says 'Well why don't you just put ME in charge?' - obviously a reference to the movie Aliens.
She also sings a couple lines of a ballad called 'Young Edwin in the Lowlands Low', a heartwarming tale about a sailor who returns to see his lover, and then is murdered by her parents for his gold and his body dumped in the ocean. It's not actually intended to be a threat toward the games Edwin. I won't post all the lyrics, but this is the verse she's singing:
The fishes of the ocean swim o'er my lover's breast, His body rolls in motion I hope his soul's at rest. The shells upon the sea shore, rolling to and fro, Remind me of Young Edwin that ploughed the lowlands low.
There is another cutscene-related bug. During the confrontation between Tenya and Lethe, it is possible for Tenya to be killed by the cutscene Ice Shards if her hit points are too low, either locking the game into cutscene mode or breaking the dialogue. When I played with double damage and Tenya at joining level, she'd die at full hit points unless I put cold resistance on her. I would recommend adding an ApplySpell("tenya",RESTORE_FULL_HEALTH) action to all the script files from B2#cTL02 to B2#cTL08 to make sure she can survive.
Alternately, I guess you could create a different scenario if she dies.
@Coutelier The poem is great, I wonder what's Edwin reaction
He probably covers his ears when she's singing. It's an old folk song with multiple versions, and sometimes it's a soldier rather than a sailor and sometimes the name is changed to Edward or Edmund.
There is another cutscene-related bug. During the confrontation between Tenya and Lethe, it is possible for Tenya to be killed by the cutscene Ice Shards if her hit points are too low, either locking the game into cutscene mode or breaking the dialogue. When I played with double damage and Tenya at joining level, she'd die at full hit points unless I put cold resistance on her. I would recommend adding an ApplySpell("tenya",RESTORE_FULL_HEALTH) action to all the script files from B2#cTL02 to B2#cTL08 to make sure she can survive.
I guess I never played with double damage. Seems like a sensible precaution so I'll add it later to the start of each script.
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I have just let her join my party. I tried her PID a bit and I found an option to discuss about Ran? and some related events with Umberlee. Problem is that I have not even been to Baldur's Gate city yet nor had any event that would fit. Maybe a dialogue option that needs to check some global to be set?
Here is a screenshot
Do not mind the background, I scrolled back the dialogue after I entered the tomb and played the whole sequel. The dialogue in the picture and the journal entry took place alredy outdoors.
https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/comment/885193#Comment_885193
I guess there is a technical limit for a mod to read *priest* and add it to its tweaks vs. to exclude some specific ones that are too special.
Now, it's safe to say that Tenya is easily the most powerful BG1 character. A halberd striking at +6 damage, an elemental with high damage output, all sorts of, frankly, really cool damage spells that I enjoy spamming relentlessly. It's not a criticism. it's enjoyable.
Her writing is really great and I hope you eventually have the time and inclination to make a BG2 portion.
I will then report back.
I realise now that I dropped F&P for other reasons, and that might be the reason that Tenya wouldn't install.
IF True() THEN RESPONSE #100 CutSceneId("tenya") setGlobal("AttackNEB","AR0607",1) EquipMostDamagingMelee() FaceObject("Neb") SetSequence(SEQ_ATTACK_SLASH) SmallWait(6) ApplyDamage("Neb",5,CRUSHING) SmallWait(6) DisplayStringHead("Neb",~EEP!~) Wait(1) ActionOverride("Neb",RunAwayFrom("tenya",60)) Wait(2) DisplayStringHead("Tenya",~Get back here, you grimy little gnome!~) Wait(2) EndCutSceneMode() ENDThe RunAwayFrom action will cause targets to run through walls and disappear if they can't run any further away from the target (in this case, Tenya). RunAwayFromNoLeaveArea prevents this issue, though you'll see the target stuttering as they try to run into the wall.
Also, I'm not sure if it's a mod compatibility issue or what, but ApplyDamage can sometimes turn Neb hostile, which also breaks the game. It's safer to have ActionOverride("Neb",ApplyDamage(Myself,5,CRUSHING)).
Here's the fixed script for you:
IF True() THEN RESPONSE #100 CutSceneId("tenya") setGlobal("AttackNEB","AR0607",1) EquipMostDamagingMelee() FaceObject("Neb") SetSequence(SEQ_ATTACK_SLASH) SmallWait(6) ActionOverride("Neb",ApplyDamage(Myself,5,CRUSHING)) SmallWait(6) DisplayStringHead("Neb",~EEP!~) Wait(1) ActionOverride("Neb",RunAwayFromNoLeaveArea("tenya",60)) Wait(2) DisplayStringHead("Tenya",~Get back here, you grimy little gnome!~) Wait(2) EndCutSceneMode() ENDBGEETenya15a.rar
Thank you very much if that's fixed it. Hopefully I'll get a chance to play it through myself again sometime soon.
Ebba - In old English means 'flowing tide' (In German and Swedish it means 'strong'). It's a halbard in game, but I guess I pictured it as in fact being more like a naginata, or ko-naginata (a slightly smaller variant intended for use by women).
Kelda - Scandinavian meaning spring or fountain.
Ran - Lots of origins and meanings for the name 'Ran', but in this case we're going with the norse meaning sea goddess.
Naida - Water nymph.
Lethe - One of the five rivers of Hades. People who drank from it forgot everything.
Leena - Irish meaning 'wet meadow'.
She also sings a couple lines of a ballad called 'Young Edwin in the Lowlands Low', a heartwarming tale about a sailor who returns to see his lover, and then is murdered by her parents for his gold and his body dumped in the ocean. It's not actually intended to be a threat toward the games Edwin. I won't post all the lyrics, but this is the verse she's singing:
The fishes of the ocean swim o'er my lover's breast,
His body rolls in motion I hope his soul's at rest.
The shells upon the sea shore, rolling to and fro,
Remind me of Young Edwin that ploughed the lowlands low.
Alternately, I guess you could create a different scenario if she dies.