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My best roll ever

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  • SimulacreSimulacre Member Posts: 102
    Yulaw9460 said:

    Ohh, the number of times I skipped a good roll by accident. I had one back in the day, where I believe it was 4 17's and 2 18's. And I got so jumpy, that I tapped the key.

    That's why it's important to resist the temptation of rolling too fast. You may have one shot of the best roll possible in your life and if you miss it, you're done. No seconds gained by clicking faster are worth a huge missed opportunity.

    OlderThan13YearsDordledum
  • OlderThan13YearsOlderThan13Years Member Posts: 62
    edited October 13
    There's an unfixed windows-related bug affecting certain class-race combinations that may prevent you from rolling very high stats. For instance, the upper limit for human fighters is 100 (total roll). Keep that in mind if you use the windows version of the game to create your characters. I don't know if all characters are affected though...

    Atm. I am trying to autoroll another 106 superhero (elf sorcerer) but it's still quite hard to achieve. According to the description of the autoroller, the script can generate 15000 rolls per second or 60000 per second (155 billion per month) if you use 4 instances of Baldur's Gate in parallel (like i do). The chance to get a 106 for elf sorcerers is better than 300 billion to 1. Thus, creating a 105+ roll is already very feasible and should become easier as CPUs get more cores. I guess in the long run we will see a lot of 'valid' 108 rolls.^^

    Here is the current state of my rollers:



    Grond0StummvonBordwehrGotural
  • DordledumDordledum Member Posts: 161
    Impressive set up. Never used an autoroller, but also not an option on Android I think.

  • SimulacreSimulacre Member Posts: 102
    This, I don't get.

    The purpose of rolling for several hours is to feel you've earned your good stats. If you're going to use an autoroll then you might as well just cheat and use CTRL + 8 to get the maximum stats.

    StummvonBordwehrThacoBellDaevelon
  • JDowJDow Member Posts: 55
    Yea, agreed about the autoroll thing.


    Just a tip as I don't think it's been mentioned. I run a Mac and this is true on Baldurs EE Mac.

    Some ppl are saying they rolled a mega high number and accidently clicked re-roll - loosing that score.

    Actually, the killer isn't pressing re-roll it's letting go of the mouse button after you've clicked re-roll it.

    As long as you still have the mouse button pressed you can move the cursor off the re-roll button and then let go of it and it doesn't do the re-roll.

    A few times this has saved my bacon.






    DordledumGotural
  • SimulacreSimulacre Member Posts: 102
    It also works on PC.

    It's a known tip for long-time players, but some might not know about it.

    Always useful to bring it up here !

    DordledumGotural
  • GusindaGusinda Member Posts: 942
    @Dordledum, there is an autoroller in EEUITweaks that works fine in the Android environment. You prob wont be able to have multiple BGs running through.

    Gus

    Dordledum
  • OlderThan13YearsOlderThan13Years Member Posts: 62
    edited October 14
    @Simulacre
    Autorolling is still a random process even if you run hundreds of scripts simultaneously whereas pressing CTRL + 8 is completely deterministic and unrelated to the game's internal rolling mechanics. And that's why CTRL + 8 is a contemptible cheat and its users are choatic evil villains. ;)

    Sometimes the world is really simple.

    Permidion_Stark
  • SimulacreSimulacre Member Posts: 102

    @Simulacre
    Autorolling is still a random process even if you run hundreds of scripts simultaneously whereas pressing CTRL + 8 is completely deterministic and unrelated to the game's internal rolling mechanics. And that's why CTRL + 8 is a contemptible cheat and its users are choatic evil villains. ;)

    Sometimes the world is really simple.

    I don't think the difference between being completely deterministic and partially deterministic with autorolling systems matters. What matters is whether you suffer to deserve your points or not. If you're skipping the tedious process with autorolling then you might as well just get the the results you want directly with CTRL + 8. In both cases you fail to take the first roll that was given to you during the character creation process, in both cases you fail to earn your mighty Charmane with the chore/labor that is rolling over and over manually... so just go for the most efficient method : CTRL + 8 !

    ThacoBellDaevelon
  • OlderThan13YearsOlderThan13Years Member Posts: 62
    edited October 15
    Nah you cannot consistently define what legit rolls are relying on these subjective/emotion-based terms (I mean 'deserve', 'suffer', 'tediousness' ...). The absence of negative feelings or suffering doesn't make a roll less legit and there's no one who can legitimately decide what I deserve.^^

    Post edited by OlderThan13Years on
    Permidion_StarkGotural
  • DordledumDordledum Member Posts: 161
    Gusinda said:

    @Dordledum, there is an autoroller in EEUITweaks that works fine in the Android environment. You prob wont be able to have multiple BGs running through.

    Gus

    Nice to know it exists, thank you.

    Somehow there is a charm to manual rolling, the hours spent don't feel wasted to me.

    StummvonBordwehrGusinda
  • SimulacreSimulacre Member Posts: 102
    edited October 15

    Nah you cannot consistently define what legit rolls are relying on these subjective/emotion-based terms (I mean 'deserve', 'suffer', 'tediousness' ...). The absence of negative feelings or suffering doesn't make a roll less legit and there's no one who can legitimately decide what I deserve.^^

    Huh ?

    I'm not trying to decide for you what's best or to impose on you my vision of what's legit and what's not, I'm merely expressing an opinion and my incomprehension regarding the reasons for using autorolling. If you pay attention, I did start my post with "I don't THINK".

    Threads are for sharing and expressing points of view, there's no need to feel attacked if someone disagrees with you. You're free to do whatever you want and it's totally fine by me.

    That said, most people consider manual rolling is best because it alleviates the sensation that you're cheesing the game. Sure, in the end you'll get better stats you would have had if you simply went along with whatever stats the game suggested first but it wasn't cheap because you worked for it.

    It's the same logic that applies with incredibly powerful BUT difficult to get items. Let's take Carsomyr for instance : it's a very neat and powerful sword that is wildly accepted as legit because it's a tough one to get. It doesn't remove the fact that it renders most mages ineffective, gives you incredible magical resistance, not to mention that it's a +5 damaging weapon devastating against, well, pretty much anyone. Now, take the same sword and make it available for free in Candlekeep's Inn. What do you think is going to happen ?

    People will feel dirty using it. The sense of accomplishment won't be there, and what's more defining for an RPG than adventuring and earning more and more power as you venture forth ?

    So you see, manual rolling is a way for people to reconnect with that sense of accomplishment, it's a way to feel that pleasure you get for obtaining something that wasn't delivered on a silver platter.

    Whether you use CTRL + 8 or autorolling, you simply make your life a lot easier and I fail to see where's the merit or the accomplishment - thus pleasure - in letting the computer do what you could have done yourself.

    Now, if you have arguments to tell us why autorolling is legit and CTRL + 8 isn't, or why both are legit, then please, give them to us ! That's bound to be interesting.

    DaevelonThacoBellMirandel
  • LammasLammas Member Posts: 47
    I started a new character today and got a 99, although it was with an auto-roller. My first time trying one, left it on while I was gone for a few hours and came back to that.

    As for the above argument I feel like auto-rolling is kinda more valid because the scores are still coming from within the game. It's just clicking the button and saving the highest score for me. It does not guarantee an all 18 roll nor will it not give exceptional strength to a class that can't have that (it does that, right? Last used that cheat back when BG2 was new.). The numbers are still rolling in the game and the only thing is I don't have to strain my eyes staring at a changing number. Now, I don't feel like that's completely legit, but I do feel like it's a lot more legit than ctrl-8 or save editor would be. To each their own tho.

    Gotural
  • GoturalGotural Member Posts: 1,229
    In only 10 minutes I got two 99 rolls with the exact same distribution ... 17 17 14 17 16 18.

    Kinda strange.

    DordledumStummvonBordwehr
  • DordledumDordledum Member Posts: 161
    Gotural said:

    In only 10 minutes I got two 99 rolls with the exact same distribution ... 17 17 14 17 16 18.

    Kinda strange.

    Why did you keep rolling after the first?

    GoturalThacoBell
  • GoturalGotural Member Posts: 1,229
    edited October 24
    I created two different characters and rolled with EEKeeper (you can roll directly with it). Speaking of which, I'm now pretty sure that EEKeeper rolls characters very differently than the game itself, high rolls are far easier to get and it seems to ignore minimums at the same time, I got a few 5 or 6 Strenght while rolling for a Kensai which has a 9 minimum in Strenght.
    Maybe it is using the 4d6 drop lowest method?

    Edit : See for yourself, create a human fighter, mage, thief or cleric, something with a 9 minimum in a characteristic and 3 for the others. See how hard it is to roll a 90+ in the game. Now create this character, save it and open EEKeeper to roll your stats. You should see plenty of 90+ rolls now. It's interesting.

    Post edited by Gotural on
    DordledumStummvonBordwehr
  • Permidion_StarkPermidion_Stark Member Posts: 3,999
    edited October 28
    I just discovered the Minimum Stats Cheat in the Tweaks Anthology and I don't think I will ever go back to regular rolling. It allows you to set minimum scores of between 6 and 15 for each of the six attributes so you get much higher scores than usual and it is really easy to get rolls in the mid-90s. I like it because you are still rolling manually but you can get the character you want in a few minutes.

    Having wasted huge amounts of my life rolling characters this feels like a gift from the gods. Now when I roll Lady Tymora always smiles on me:

    http://gibberlings3.net/readmes/readme-cdtweaks.html

    Post edited by Permidion_Stark on
    StummvonBordwehrThacoBellMirandel
  • DaevelonDaevelon Member Posts: 482

    I just discovered the Minimum Stats Cheat in the Tweaks Anthology and I don't think I will ever go back to regular rolling. It allows you to set minimum scores of between 6 and 15 for each of the six attributes so you get much higher scores than usual and it is really easy to get rolls in the mid-90s. I like it because you are still rolling manually but you can get the character you want in a few minutes.

    Having wasted huge amounts of my life rolling characters this feels like a gift from the gods. Now when I roll Lady Tymora always smiles on me:

    http://gibberlings3.net/readmes/readme-cdtweaks.html

    Good for you, but as Rolling Maniac i will never use this. The prerogative for rolling, of couse in my opinion, is to get exceptional values against easy chances. Just a couple of weeks ago i rolled a new Cavalier and it took me one hour and half to get a 93 with 18/93 in strenght. I'm happy and proud of my character. Cheating that would be exactly like using ctrl+8. Always my opinion.

    DordledumMirandel
  • DordledumDordledum Member Posts: 161
    On a related note, is the SoD roller the same? I just got a 91 for my new swashy in 10 clicks, which is really fast and/or lucky.

  • Permidion_StarkPermidion_Stark Member Posts: 3,999
    Dordledum said:

    On a related note, is the SoD roller the same? I just got a 91 for my new swashy in 10 clicks, which is really fast and/or lucky.

    I think you were just lucky. I've rolled an awful lot of 75s using the SoD roller.

    Dordledum
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