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The change of rules on the forum

JuliusBorisovJuliusBorisov Member, Administrator, Moderator, Developer Posts: 11,094
edited March 1 in Site Resources
Ladies and gentlemen!

As you have noticed, today we have changed the forum guidelines.

The new rules are available here.

The old rules can be found here.

The change has been made in an attempt to make our rules up-to-date and harmonic, less personal, to unify them with the Terms of service each user has to accept when registering on this site, and to eliminate inconsistencies.

We have changed the rating of this site from "PG-13" to "Teen". PG-13 was an MPAA rating, i.e. a rating used for movies. For games there're other rating systems, one of them is ESRB, which can be used for rating sites as well, as "S" means software.

According to ESRB, "Teen" means that content is generally suitable for ages 13 and up. May contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling and/or infrequent use of strong language.

This change will exclude the mix the previous rules contained where ratings from different systems were mentioned as if they were the same thing.

Also, this change will be especially important in the wake of our next games.

Another reason is that there were inconsistencies between what we knew as the Site rules and the Terms of Service each user had to accept when registering on this site. Now the Site rules and the Terms of Service are the same.

The report "reasons" on the Flag feature have been updated.

Still, many parts of the new rules repeat our previous rules, so you should easily understand them.

When creating new forum guidelines, we used the experience from site moderation during all these years.

If you have any question about new rules, don't hesitate to ask them here!
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  • KamigoroshiKamigoroshi Member Posts: 3,505
    I have to ask. Point 2 prohibits any advertisements of products and copyrighted material on these forums. Which would rule out crowdfunding threads for ongoing campaigns on both fig and kickstarter as well. Given such “shoutout threads“ are clearly advertisements for other developers. And thus are against the newly established rules. Have I understood this correctly?
    ShandyrwubbleCrevsDaakButtercheese
  • ShandyrShandyr Member Posts: 6,350

    I have to ask. Point 2 prohibits any advertisements of products and copyrighted material on these forums. Which would rule out crowdfunding threads for ongoing campaigns on both fig and kickstarter as well. Given such “shoutout threads“ are clearly advertisements for other developers. And thus are against the newly established rules. Have I understood this correctly?

    Oh I second this question. For example even the Pillars of Eternity 2 crowd funding thread would not be allowed?

    Or how about the fact that I advertised the Black Isle Bastards within that thread?
    wubbleCrevsDaak
  • ButtercheeseButtercheese Member Posts: 3,250
    So, uh, what exactly is the difference to before? On the paper PG-13 and ESRB Teen look the same to me :neutral:
  • ButtercheeseButtercheese Member Posts: 3,250
    Newborns get to touch boobs, usually :V
    Also early devoloping girls.
    ShandyrHalfCelestialsmeagolheart
  • KamigoroshiKamigoroshi Member Posts: 3,505
    And moobs. Can't forget about them moobs.
    Notabarbiegirl
  • ALIENALIEN Member Posts: 399
    edited March 3
    @JuliusBorisov
    Hi, it's the first time when I want to ask about some legal stuff. I want to clarify the real meaning and origin of this statement:

    NOTICE: Unless otherwise expressly stated, Beamdog are the owner or licensee of all intellectual property rights in this Site and the materials you post related to Beamdog's licensed intellectual property. By submitting (e.g., uploading) content to the official forums for Beamdog games, you automatically grant Beamdog the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sub licensable right and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such content (in whole or part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed.


    I don't want to sound like I'm attacking Beamdog/staff etc but lot of things are not clear to me and I always assume the worst possible outcome.

    1. What is the reason of such drastic usurp statement? Are you really that this community really need "We own all of you stuff so beware what you post here!" atmosphere?

    2. If somebody post a unpublished poem as a forum post, does it theoretically means that Beamdog can sell a short novel with this poem or use it as one of the new NPC dialog in the future Addon Pack? Or worse, sue author after he will sell such content by claiming "copyrights because he posted this at out board"?

    3. Consider all mods which are uploaded as an attachment - in the light of quoted statement, does Beamdog owns the right to every mod and other things which is added via attachment? Including custom portraits/code/text?

    4. Which exactly country law allows Beamdog to have a right to own this kind of user posted content by using arbitrary statement quoted above?

    I hope that you will explain my concerns so I will have clear view of the ownership stuff.
    ButtercheeseCrevsDaaksmeagolheart
  • ALIENALIEN Member Posts: 399
    edited March 3
    That was fast, thanks for quick reply. It looks much more clear now, especially with the remarks about "content related to Beamdog's products" and mods having "otherwise expressly stated" part. Thank again :smile:
    JuliusBorisovCrevsDaaklolien
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 3,802
    "Also, this change will be especially important in the wake of our next games"

    Which are?
    ButtercheeseAstroBryGuyTroodon80CrevsDaak
  • AstroBryGuyAstroBryGuy Member Posts: 2,537

    "Also, this change will be especially important in the wake of our next games"

    Which are?

    May contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling and/or infrequent use of strong language.

    @smeagolheart - Baldur's Gate Slots? :wink:
    smeagolheartTroodon80lolienCrevsDaak
  • ButtercheeseButtercheese Member Posts: 3,250
    edited March 6
    Okay, here it is, it's Baldur's Gate pachinko.
    Time to go full Konami with this company.
    I would give my liiiiife ~ Not for honor but for youuuuuuuu ~
    *Goes crying in a corner.*
    AstroBryGuyTroodon80lolienCrevsDaak
  • JuliusBorisovJuliusBorisov Member, Administrator, Moderator, Developer Posts: 11,094
    edited March 7

    "Also, this change will be especially important in the wake of our next games"

    Which are?

    Monitor our blog, Twitter and Facebook for announcements. :) ;)
    smeagolheart
  • bob_vengbob_veng Member Posts: 1,538
    i have some opinions about the phrasing. i don't think any of this is important, i just find it fun to point out little things like these:

    "Excessive cursing and profanity ... are not allowed" - this is pleonastic and confusing. the actual meaning as i gather is that all, not some cursing is prohibited, so just "use of profanity is not allowed" is more correct and sufficient

    "unapologetic bigotry" is a bad term because expressing your bigotry is not prohibited as long as it's not hateful, offensive or defamatory, and technically it doesn't have to be. Bigotry and hatred are really not the same thing. If a declared christian says that someone will go to hell, according to their religion, it is bigotry by definition, but it is not justifiable to punish expressing such an opinion (unless it's just a form of provocation), because then it would be an act of intolerance towards the christian religion. Bigotry is not a robust enough notion for what the rules are trying to communicate.
    Also the word unapologetic has no function because if you've insulted someone through your bigotry, saying "sorry", or saying "i'm sorry i have to say this but you're a /something offensive/" won't automatically protect you from moderator's action. I have a feeling that "unapologetic bigotry" is a euphemism for "hate speech". There is no need for one.

    "pornographic materials or other offensive content" i don't like this because the phrasing communicates that pornography is offensive, and to a large portion of people in the West now, and around the world, pornography is no longer offensive, so to deem it offensive in nature is injecting a moral notion that is unnecessary for a clear set of rules. Just drop the word "other".

    "Any discussion of piracy is not allowed" is unfortunately phrased because a discussion about/on piracy is in fact allowed and "discussion of" subsumes that meaning so it looks like opinions about piracy can't be expressed in the forums. A good phrasing would be something like "no piracy: commiting or encouraging piracy including ... is not allowed"

    ""junk mail", "chain letters", "pyramid schemes", " unnecessary quotation marks

    "Posting frequent, annoying, and/or nonsensical posts will not be tolerated." The meaning of "frequent posts" is completely unclear. The first thing that comes to mind is posting frequently. Frequent posting is not just not prohibited, it is encouraged as everyone wants more rather then less forum activity. The problem is not with frequent posters and their many posts but with repeated identical or similar posts, posted anywhere in the forums

    "If you have a question you want answered about a series of topics, the best way to go about it is with a single thread asking all of the questions, not a series of several threads..." this sentence breaks the mold of normative statements while masking as a rule so I'd start this sentence with "NOTE:" or "ADVICE:"

    "Only in case you lose access to your old account, forget password and/or email you use, you can create a new account. In these cases you should send a Private Message (PM) to the forum moderators immediately." you can only create a temporary second account for the purposes of restoring access to your actual accout so you must send a PM asking for help and afterwards you won't be able to keep the new account (am i right?)

    "Flaming ... will not be tolerated. ... Trolling will not be tolerated as well. Being belligerent and antagonistic, or provoking other members intentionally, will be considered in the same light as trolling."
    the bolded part just means flaming (exactly that) and you've already said that flaming is not allowed so why then put it under trolling?

    "Due to privacy concerns, your comments and wall posts should not contain sensitive personal information, including account information. If discussing Support interactions, comments must be kept constructive, civil, and should not reveal personal or account information."
    Whose information? For me it's vital to point out that revealing other's RL information is suuuuper prohibited and revealing your own information must necessarily be, for practical reasons, equally prohibited since no one can know if it's really you posting your personal information or someone falsely presenting themselves as you in order to harm your privacy or security, but as an exception, you may still post some innocuous pieces information about yourself

    "If you're going to discuss content from any game, movie, book etc. that pertains to the story or plot, please use spoiler tags " Technically, this is too vague because it means you can't ever talk about any story without spoilers, unless it's a spoiler-marked thread, and it's just not practical. I'd like to formulate this more precisely: "If it's reasonable to expect that something in a post will reveal a plot element of a narrative-containing product to someone who only wants to learn this during their own subsequent enjoyment of this product, it is not allowed to post this outside of spoiler tags. This is not enforced in threads that have "SPOILER" in the title (must be placed at the beggining)"
    JuliusBorisovlolienStefanOCoriander
  • AstroBryGuyAstroBryGuy Member Posts: 2,537

    "Also, this change will be especially important in the wake of our next games"

    Which are?

    Monitor our blog, Twitter and Facebook for announcements. :) ;)
    Aw, come'on! We won't tell anyone! Promise! :sunglasses:
    ButtercheeseCrevsDaaksmeagolheart
  • JuliusBorisovJuliusBorisov Member, Administrator, Moderator, Developer Posts: 11,094
    @bob_veng Thanks for your feedback. We'll look at it.
    CrevsDaaklolienbob_veng
  • ShandyrShandyr Member Posts: 6,350
    Are words like "sex" now banned from this forum?
  • ButtercheeseButtercheese Member Posts: 3,250

    So, the words like "sex" are still allowed.

    Teehee, you said "words"!
    CrevsDaakTroodon80AstroBryGuysemiticgod
  • AstroBryGuyAstroBryGuy Member Posts: 2,537
    Shandyr said:

    Are words like "sex" now banned from this forum?

    Yes, but not words like "Belgium". That word is utterly forbidden in all parts of the Galaxy except for use in Serious screenplays.

    (tip of the towel to Douglas Adams :sunglasses: )
    CrevsDaakTroodon80Buttercheesetbone1
  • GreenWarlockGreenWarlock Member Posts: 1,034
    And don't get me started on Grimsby...
  • subtledoctorsubtledoctor Member Posts: 6,427

    Also, this change will be especially important in the wake of our next games.

    Aiming for a younger audience?
    HalfCelestial
  • DreadKhanDreadKhan Member Posts: 2,975

    And moobs. Can't forget about them moobs.

    ...so, my obese middleschool years were rated R?
    CrevsDaak
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