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  • jessejmcjessejmc Member Posts: 119
    I was definitely 20 prior and 10 afterwards. I don't usually roll full parties, so it was a hectic battle, but I think Charname was charmed and another member was confused and killed the cook.

    I just left the mine unflooded to get a Cleric/Ranger to 20 reputation and came back to test kill the cook and didn't Fall. I'm not sure if paladins and rangers have the same thresholds, so I'll try it next time I have a paladin that far (could be a while). I was using SCS and Tweaks Anthology for that run, but I don't think they change any of those mechanics.

  • Wise_GrimwaldWise_Grimwald Member Posts: 2,512
    I was surprised when I had reputation loss when I killed the slave that was telling tales. :( He deserved to be killed!

  • jessejmcjessejmc Member Posts: 119
    Is it possible to complete the Isle of Balduran without access to cold iron? Thinking of going there with a solo Cleric/Ranger, but there aren't any cold iron blunt weapons that I'm aware of.

    Blackraven
  • Serg_BlackStriderSerg_BlackStrider Member Posts: 163
    jessejmc wrote: »
    Is it possible to complete the Isle of Balduran without access to cold iron? Thinking of going there with a solo Cleric/Ranger, but there aren't any cold iron blunt weapons that I'm aware of.

    Wands of Heavens work just fine vs Greater Wolfweres. Wands of Paralyzation help a lot but not in your case.

    BlackravenJuliusBorisovjessejmcStummvonBordwehr
  • EnuhalEnuhal Member Posts: 491
    As a cleric/ranger, I would propably use potions of firebreathing and wand of the heavens charges against the greater wolfwere + the loup garous. There's some RNG to it due to magic resistance and regeneration being involved, but it is certainly possible to complete the island.

    BlackravenJuliusBorisovjessejmcStummvonBordwehr
  • semiticgodsemiticgod Member, Moderator Posts: 13,881
    Unless my SCS install changes something, it looks like the Greater Wolfweres regenerate 30 HP per round (5 per second) and have 50% MR on top of 50% elemental resistances. A Wand of the Heavens, by itself, would never overcome a Greater Wolfwere's regeneration unless you had truly miraculous dice rolls. The average damage for the strongest option, a Potion of Firebreath, is only 33 damage assuming a successful saving throw and no interference from magic resistance--you would likely run out of potions before you made progress. If the cleric/ranger gets druid spells, then Call Lightning could help if you had very good luck.

    Without mods, a solo cleric/ranger cannot reliably take down a Greater Wolfwere. It would depend on luck, and the amount of luck needed would be pretty extreme.

    jessejmcWise_GrimwaldBlackravenAerakar
  • jessejmcjessejmc Member Posts: 119
    edited November 5
    @semiticgod: The wiki lists "extremely high HP regeneration - 5/second, or 30 HP per round. Fortunately, their actual maximum HP is relatively low, at 66." and "greater wolfweres have no magic resistance, they have 50% elemental resistance". Without the MR, do you think they're doable? If not, I'll probably drop a save and get to SoD (or die trying) and then come back to give it a go.

    Edit: This is a non-modded install with druid spells, so I do have access to Call Lightning.

    BlackravensemiticgodStummvonBordwehrWise_Grimwald
  • semiticgodsemiticgod Member, Moderator Posts: 13,881
    edited November 5
    @jessejmc: Near Infinity in my install says 50% magic resistance, but my numbers assume you get past their MR every time anyway.

    Still, my numbers also assume that the target made its save every time... and the odds look a little nicer if we factor in Doom and Chant to impose a save vs. breath of 9, in which case the Greater Wolfwere would suffer almost 45 damage on average with a Potion of Firebreath. If they don't have any magic resistance in a given install, then Doom+Chant and 5 (on average) Potions of Firebreath could realistically kill one, though you might need a lot of extra potions if the Greater Wolfwere made too many saves.

    StummvonBordwehrjessejmc
  • NeverusedNeverused Member Posts: 711
    On another note, what's even on that isle that'd be useful for a C/R? You should easily have hit the EXP-cap solo, and I can't recall any reason to risk a run over... basically nothing. Am I missing anything there?

    BlackravenjessejmcMantis37
  • OlvynChuruOlvynChuru Member Posts: 2,353
    Neverused wrote: »
    On another note, what's even on that isle that'd be useful for a C/R? You should easily have hit the EXP-cap solo, and I can't recall any reason to risk a run over... basically nothing. Am I missing anything there?

    There's the Staff Mace, which is the most damaging blunt weapon in the game other than the Staff of Striking (more than Aule's Staff or Krotan's Skullcrusher).

    BlackravenSerg_BlackStriderNeverusedjessejmc
  • NeverusedNeverused Member Posts: 711
    It's all of 0.5 damage average higher than Aule and Ashideena (2d4+2 averages at 7, 1d6+3 averages at 6.5, and 1d4+2+1 electric also averages at 6.5 unless Luck is in effect). Granted, being able to use a shield or dual-wield is nice, I guess, but... In a game where ranged attacks reign supreme, I'm unconvinced of its usefulness.

    I suppose having the Staff Mace increases average damage by... 1.5 per round (Assuming 3 APR from specialization, level 7, and an Oil of Speed, and ignoring dual-wielding) compared with Ashideena which is also 1-handed. I guess if you've went for 2* Quarterstaffs 2* Slings and don't want to spend 2* on Warhammers...?

    jessejmcOlvynChuru
  • jessejmcjessejmc Member Posts: 119
    There's nothing useful there that justifies the risk for this run. I've hit the experience cap before entering Baldur's Gate and will probably have around 300k on entering SoD anyway. While the Staff Mace is nice, I don't have any points in Quarterstaff. I mainly play classes that haven't earned a spot on the Hall of Heroes, and Cleric/Ranger is one of the more capable solo classes on that list, so I was considering giving the island a go. I will most likely skip it and use whatever autosave is most recent after Sarevok's or my death to see how it would have gone.

    BlackravenStummvonBordwehrGrond0Enuhal
  • Wise_GrimwaldWise_Grimwald Member Posts: 2,512
    I have completed the poison quest, Marek having been killed. Xzar lost some HP sleeping afterwards, but that is probably nothing to do with the quest.

    The problem that I have is that according to the log, the quest isn't finished. Also my PC still has the poisoned icon.

    Is there some way of correcting things using EE Keeper or perhaps creating another Marek and killing him.

    It could well be one of dozens of mods that is causing a bug.

  • BlackravenBlackraven Member Posts: 3,235
    Hey Wise, I never get the 'poisoned' icon in that quest, so it sounds like a mod. Or maybe it appears only when you're running out of time?
    In any case I just checked an old save of mine in EEKeeper and saw two global variables POISONPARTY and POISONPARTY2 with very high values (seven digits each). You could check if you can find those variables and what values they have.

    (Xzar losing HPs might be from an expiring Larloch's Minor Drain or Vampiric Touch?)

  • Grond0Grond0 Member Posts: 5,449
    The EE introduced the poisoned icon, though it doesn't appear immediately. Have you actually drunk Marek's antidote - in the EE you do have to drink that rather than just kill Marek.

    BlackravenWise_GrimwaldStummvonBordwehr
  • Wise_GrimwaldWise_Grimwald Member Posts: 2,512
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    This is how it is developing. As you can see, just to make sure, I took two of Marek's potions. Even after sleeping she is still poisoned.

  • BlackravenBlackraven Member Posts: 3,235
    Wow I can't help you there. In my install the potion bottles don't even look green (but grey). As soon as Charname has taken one potion, a message appears on screen saying "You have been cured ...". I always give the NPCs a potion too but I doubt that's necessary.

    Did you pick up / receive Lothander's seemingly useless potion? I think you have to, as it's supposed to be one half of the antidote.

  • Wise_GrimwaldWise_Grimwald Member Posts: 2,512
    edited November 11
    I did indeed. However, after he gave it to me, being evil I killed him for his possessions.

    I then went for Marek's half of the antidote.

    I reloaded and have done the quest again without killing Lothander and everything seems OK except that in the journal, the quest is not labelled as finished.

    No poison symbol. Of course I will have to wait and see.

    I don't understand it, except I am wondering if having the geas paper in my possession was a problem.

    I think it is a bug, but what causes it, I don't know.

  • Wise_GrimwaldWise_Grimwald Member Posts: 2,512
    edited November 11
    I carried on playing after completing the poison quest and also ensuring that I took one of Marek's Potions.

    Yet again my character is poisoned. :( I will clearly have to use Keeper to solve my problem. :(

    On this occasion Lothander wasn't killed, so he was nothing to do with the problem. His potion is undrinkable.

    @Blackraven Here are my global variables.

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    As you can see, there is also POISONWARNING and POISONPARTYICON.

    I have also looked at an old game [Not this setup] and of course the poison quest is marked as "Finished."
    No mention of POISONWARNING and POISONPARTYICON.

    I'm wondering if deleting them, or indeed POISONPARTY and POISONPARTY2 as well would solve the problem.

    Post edited by Wise_Grimwald on
    Grond0StummvonBordwehrBlackraven
  • Wise_GrimwaldWise_Grimwald Member Posts: 2,512
    edited November 12
    A long time ago I was quite pleased to defeat BG1 without killing a single person in a solo fighter/thief run. (probably not possible in EE with Algernon's Cloak being nerfed) It was quite interesting to see how many quests could be completed without having blood on my hands. My favourite weapon was fists, :)

    AerakarJuliusBorisovsemiticgodZaghoul
  • Grond0Grond0 Member Posts: 5,449
    A long time ago I was quite pleased to defeat BG1 without killing a single person in a solo fighter/thief run. (probably not possible in EE with Algernon's Cloak being nerfed) It was quite interesting to see how many quests could be completed without having blood on my hands. My favourite weapon was fists, :)

    It's still possible. You can't avoid getting XP for Sarevok's death, but you can complete BG1 with 0 kills ;).

    JuliusBorisovsemiticgodWise_Grimwald
  • MaurvirMaurvir Member Posts: 396
    Grond0 wrote: »
    A long time ago I was quite pleased to defeat BG1 without killing a single person in a solo fighter/thief run. (probably not possible in EE with Algernon's Cloak being nerfed) It was quite interesting to see how many quests could be completed without having blood on my hands. My favourite weapon was fists, :)

    It's still possible. You can't avoid getting XP for Sarevok's death, but you can complete BG1 with 0 kills ;).

    Checks party's kill stats... Oops.

    Wise_Grimwald
  • Wise_GrimwaldWise_Grimwald Member Posts: 2,512
    Grond0 wrote: »
    A long time ago I was quite pleased to defeat BG1 without killing a single person in a solo fighter/thief run. (probably not possible in EE with Algernon's Cloak being nerfed) It was quite interesting to see how many quests could be completed without having blood on my hands. My favourite weapon was fists, :)

    It's still possible. You can't avoid getting XP for Sarevok's death, but you can complete BG1 with 0 kills ;).

    I can see it being done with a party easily enough. The mages can use charm instead of using Algernon's Cloak. I can't see how a solo fighter/thief could do it now though.

  • Grond0Grond0 Member Posts: 5,449
    Grond0 wrote: »
    A long time ago I was quite pleased to defeat BG1 without killing a single person in a solo fighter/thief run. (probably not possible in EE with Algernon's Cloak being nerfed) It was quite interesting to see how many quests could be completed without having blood on my hands. My favourite weapon was fists, :)

    It's still possible. You can't avoid getting XP for Sarevok's death, but you can complete BG1 with 0 kills ;).

    I can see it being done with a party easily enough. The mages can use charm instead of using Algernon's Cloak. I can't see how a solo fighter/thief could do it now though.

    You may have mods which create different problems, but in the unmodded game Algernon's Cloak alone is sufficient to take you through most of the required encounters. As for Sarevok, you can kill him and his entire party without ever setting eyes on them - just repeatedly activate the lightning trap on the left of the temple.

    StummvonBordwehrAerakarJuliusBorisovsemiticgod
  • Wise_GrimwaldWise_Grimwald Member Posts: 2,512
    edited November 14
    In my installation, Algernon's Cloak doesn't charm any more. I thought that it was EE that made the difference. It must be a mod, though which one I have no idea. :( I have killed Mulahey and Davaeorn by charming them and letting kobolds/battle horrors kill them and I once killed Sarevok with that lightning trap by accident after beating him up with fists. The wierd thing is that the hardest part was getting to the scroll on Mulahey's body as the kobolds were standing on it after they killed him. I had to charm other kobolds to lure them away.

    Grond0
  • Wise_GrimwaldWise_Grimwald Member Posts: 2,512
    @semiticgod A good idea. It has never happened to me as I have never used a chaos spell, but for those who have this problem, a good way to solve it.

    semiticgodJuliusBorisov
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