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Just can't enjoy Siege

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  • Wandering_RangerWandering_Ranger Member Posts: 152
    In any case, whether it was a few months or a year is not relevant since we are talking about a "gap" of events more so than time. Something as significant as Siege is ridiculous to have happened between the two games, especially since it doesn't fit in with the rest of the story and is never mentioned again. It should have been a standalone game.

    That's why it felt so awkward for many, and why feelings like the OP's arise.

    Quartzsarevok57
  • joluvjoluv Member Posts: 1,938
    1) One game ends, and then you wake up a year later in a far-away city, imprisoned by someone you've never even heard of before. There's a gap.
    2) Lots of important stuff happens and then never gets mentioned again, including everything in Tales of the Sword Coast.

    RaduzielThacoBellGrumAedan
  • UnderstandMouseMagicUnderstandMouseMagic Member Posts: 1,882
    Further to the above.

    I've always "headcannoned" that BG starts in the spring and takes place from then and over the following summer. Autumn you defeat Sarevok. Irenicus captures you after midwinter, escape in the spring ready to go through BG2.

    That fits with the scenery and makes sense logistically. Traipsing all over the place through the snow would probably mean nobody actually has to kill you, your party just dies in a blizzard in the Cloudpeaks.

    tbone1Quartz
  • Wandering_RangerWandering_Ranger Member Posts: 152
    Yup, as MouseMagic just definitively proved, it definitely wasn't a year between the end of BG1 and the start of BG2. Thus, at best, there is a few month's gap, and those few months could have been spent relaxing and enjoying the earned wealth until the capture by Irenicus. Or they could have been spent involved in an apocalyptic showdown that never gets mentioned again.

    sarevok57
  • joluvjoluv Member Posts: 1,938
    Correct, you could have an adventure or not have an adventure. The choice is truly yours.

    ThacoBellsubtledoctor
  • Wandering_RangerWandering_Ranger Member Posts: 152
    You could also have an adventure that makes sense, or one that doesn't.

  • Yulaw9460Yulaw9460 Member Posts: 556
    edited February 19
    I was severely slacking and click-resting on countless occasions from the start of BG1 and right up to the end of SoD. I ended up with 260 days on my most recent playthrough.

  • Wandering_RangerWandering_Ranger Member Posts: 152
    Only in the scope of a standalone game. As an imaginary bridge between the two games... Nah.

  • Grond0Grond0 Member Posts: 3,329
    You can certainly pick holes in the underlying logic in SoD, but given that they were trying to bridge the chasm between BG1 and BG2 I think it was a creditable attempt.

    Where I think they went wrong a bit was to overdo the attempt to make it a standalone game rather than part of a series. The whole sequence after the death of Belhifet seems contrived to me and could have been far better covered as part of a 20 second cut-scene. That would have been the equivalent of the cut-scene for the death of Sarevok at the end of BG1. Instead the guiding idea seems to have been that they should be using the same approach as at the end of ToB - but this time should do it bigger and better. ToB though is the end of the series and therefore the approach makes sense there - it doesn't to me in SoD.

    StummvonBordwehrQuartz
  • Wandering_RangerWandering_Ranger Member Posts: 152

    Only in the scope of a standalone game. As an imaginary bridge between the two games... Nah.

    People can disagree. Not everyone has to share your opinion.

    If you like it, play it and enjoy it. If you don't, skip it and go on to Shadows of Amn.
    You're right about that, but it isn't just my opinion. Others have said the same. A good company listens to feedback and improves for their future releases.

    Not everyone has to share your opinions either, and I notice quite a few of you saying it is good without any backing, while people like MouseMagic and others share their opinions WITH credible backing.

    Whether you liked it or not is not in question here. Whether it makes sense or not and fits the theme of the other two games is. And it doesn't. See above posts for why.

    sarevok57
  • Yulaw9460Yulaw9460 Member Posts: 556
    Had they presented a TOTSC-style expansion, where they fiddled exactly zero and zilch with the basic storyline, I personally would have had no beef. Durlag's Tower did nothing of the sort, neither did the Werewolf Isle, and it worked seamlessly. More than seamlessly, because you could do those areas completely at your own leisure and in any order and then go back to being a savior of the civilised Toril.

    I'm taking a hike north. Naturally there's going to be Dragons and Liches. And an army led by Valkyrie von Über opening a gate to the Nine Hells, leading to the end boss of another IE game. They literally copy/pasted the end boss from another IE game. That's neat.

    As it stands, I'll give it a solid 3/10. And I'm feeling rather generous. Had they chucked in a couple of Tomes, I could've probably mustered a 3.5.

    Wandering_RangerUnderstandMouseMagicQuartzElendar
  • ArtonaArtona Member Posts: 859
    That's fair, OP. I'm sorry you didn't like it.
    I found SoD enjoyable, despite plot getting absurdly stupid near the end. And I don't mind that expansion "didn't fit", because you can say that ToB didn't fit as well. It's different. It has it's own thing, and I'm fine with that.

    ronaldoThacoBellQuartzMirandel
  • RaduzielRaduziel Member Posts: 2,684
    edited February 20
    tbone1 said:

    Only in the scope of a standalone game. As an imaginary bridge between the two games... Nah.

    People can disagree. Not everyone has to share your opinion.

    If you like it, play it and enjoy it. If you don't, skip it and go on to Shadows of Amn.
    Wait, are mature and reasonable comments like this allowed on the internet?

    Edit: Apparently my reply does not sounds well in English as it does em Portuguese.

    Sorry.

    Post edited by Raduziel on
  • Yulaw9460Yulaw9460 Member Posts: 556
    Sure. They're there as an appropriate level challenge. Not as epic awesomesauce filler.

  • UnderstandMouseMagicUnderstandMouseMagic Member Posts: 1,882
    Raduziel said:

    tbone1 said:

    Only in the scope of a standalone game. As an imaginary bridge between the two games... Nah.

    People can disagree. Not everyone has to share your opinion.

    If you like it, play it and enjoy it. If you don't, skip it and go on to Shadows of Amn.
    Wait, are mature and reasonable comments like this allowed on the internet?

    No. The Troll Patrol have been notified.
    Unecessary.

    ThacoBell
  • RaduzielRaduziel Member Posts: 2,684
    edited February 20
    @UnderstandMouseMagic Didn't mean to offend, this is a joke from another forum.

    My bad. The post was edited.

    Quartz
  • UnderstandMouseMagicUnderstandMouseMagic Member Posts: 1,882
    Raduziel said:

    @UnderstandMouseMagic Didn't mean to offend, this is a joke from another forum.

    My bad. The post was edited.

    No problem. :)

    It's hard to get tone on the net. The smilies here are quite restricted and I don't understand at least half of them.
    :* what is this for instance?

    RaduzielThacoBellQuartz
  • Yulaw9460Yulaw9460 Member Posts: 556

    Raduziel said:

    tbone1 said:

    Only in the scope of a standalone game. As an imaginary bridge between the two games... Nah.

    People can disagree. Not everyone has to share your opinion.

    If you like it, play it and enjoy it. If you don't, skip it and go on to Shadows of Amn.
    Wait, are mature and reasonable comments like this allowed on the internet?

    No. The Troll Patrol have been notified.
    Unecessary.
    We're always watching...

  • AstroBryGuyAstroBryGuy Member Posts: 3,147

    :* what is this for instance?

    Kissing. Type :_kissing_: without the underscores and you'll see.

  • kaoskaos Member Posts: 2
    I’m on my third playing of SOD and it’s grown on me each time.
    Great job Beamdog!!

    elminsterJuliusBorisovRaduzielThacoBell
  • lnstructor_lnstructor_ Member Posts: 58
    I feel you. By the time I reached the walls to the final castle I just gave up, and didn't bother with the last chapter (or two chapters). There were parts in Siege I have enjoyed, the same parts I enjoyed in all the other BG games, mostly mini quests.

  • Yulaw9460Yulaw9460 Member Posts: 556
    At least those darn women get off easy. Simple fix for that whole embarrasing Skie murder... thingy:

    Create Female Gorion's Ward. Romance Anomen all the way to the conclusion. And get married to him in Baldur's Gate by Elminster himself. With every damn high-up from the realm present at the wedding.

    BOOM!!! Charges dropped. Insubstantial evidence, apparently.

  • Wandering_RangerWandering_Ranger Member Posts: 152
    ThacoBell said:

    @Wandering_Ranger "Whether you liked it or not is not in question here. Whether it makes sense or not and fits the theme of the other two games is. And it doesn't. See above posts for why. "

    I see a lot of opinion, which is fair. But touting your opinion as objective fact is pretty laughable.

    Except I never did, did I? Nice strawman, troll.

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