For what it's worth, the minimum wage was, from its earliest days, intended to be a living wage. It was originally designed for factory workers who were not making a living wage despite working full time--hence "minimum" wage.
If we want to reject that purpose and say there is a new reason to have a minimum wage besides allowing people to live a normal life, that's another story. But that's the original purpose of the minimum wage. It wasn't just there to lift up teenagers and fast food workers; it was to establish a living wage for people at the lowest-paying jobs of the time.
It would be great if the various minimum wage workers of the United States just got higher-paying jobs. The thing is, that's not actually happening in real life, and while we may complain about that not happening, we have to wrestle with the reality we have; not the reality we'd like.
It would be great if people didn't let their homes catch on fire. But they do, so the government provides funding for fire departments. We deem that a problem, so we provide a solution. It would be great if people who made $8 an hour made $10 instead. But they don't, so do we (1) keep waiting for the problem to solve itself, (2) decide not to solve the problem, or (3) take action to solve the problem? Because thus far, the only suggested alternative to a minimum wage increase is to do nothing at all.
We can quibble over the exact value, but every number is arbitrary, including the current one. If $15 an hour is better, why not $25? If $7.15 an hour is better, why not $3?
Personally, I'd make it a floating number: the value needed to support one adult and one dependent with basic needs on a 35- or 40-hour work week on a ~50-week work year, adjusted for purchasing power parity, and adjusted for inflation. Have a committee define "basic needs" for housing, healthcare, necessities, and utilities, and you can calculate the result.
That would be far more accurate to American needs than a flat number that has not been adjusted in 10 years.
Without price-fixing raising the minimum wage is a very temporary fix at best. Sorry, basic economics tell you that low-skill jobs will never pay as much as high-skill jobs. Period! If working the register at McDonald's pays $20/hour why the fuck would somebody pursue a career in anything requiring more than a 8th grade education? I make roughly double that with a B.S. in a STEM degree and 30 years of experience for Christ's sake!
@Balrog99: I think you're using the wrong word. "Price-fixing" is a certain type of crime in the United States in which companies conspire to set a price for a given product or service rather than letting market forces determine the end price. It's legal in some industries, but not others. Do you mean "adjusting the minimum wage for purchasing power parity?"
For what it's worth, the minimum wage was, from its earliest days, intended to be a living wage. It was originally designed for factory workers who were not making a living wage despite working full time--hence "minimum" wage.
If we want to reject that purpose and say there is a new reason to have a minimum wage besides allowing people to live a normal life, that's another story. But that's the original purpose of the minimum wage. It wasn't just there to lift up teenagers and fast food workers; it was to establish a living wage for people at the lowest-paying jobs of the time.
It would be great if the various minimum wage workers of the United States just got higher-paying jobs. The thing is, that's not actually happening in real life, and while we may complain about that not happening, we have to wrestle with the reality we have; not the reality we'd like.
It would be great if people didn't let their homes catch on fire. But they do, so the government provides funding for fire departments. We deem that a problem, so we provide a solution. It would be great if people who made $8 an hour made $10 instead. But they don't, so do we (1) keep waiting for the problem to solve itself, (2) decide not to solve the problem, or (3) take action to solve the problem? Because thus far, the only suggested alternative to a minimum wage increase is to do nothing at all.
We can quibble over the exact value, but every number is arbitrary, including the current one. If $15 an hour is better, why not $25? If $7.15 an hour is better, why not $3?
Personally, I'd make it a floating number: the value needed to support one adult and one dependent with basic needs on a 35- or 40-hour work week on a ~50-week work year, adjusted for purchasing power parity, and adjusted for inflation. Have a committee define "basic needs" for housing, healthcare, necessities, and utilities, and you can calculate the result.
That would be far more accurate to American needs than a flat number that has not been adjusted in 10 years.
Without price-fixing raising the minimum wage is a very temporary fix at best. Sorry, basic economics tell you that low-skill jobs will never pay as much as high-skill jobs. Period! If working the register at McDonald's pays $20/hour why the fuck would somebody pursue a career in anything requiring more than a 8th grade education? I make roughly double that with a B.S. in a STEM degree and 30 years of experience for Christ's sake!
Edit: Seriously people, is "Do you want fries with that Big-Mac?" really worth $20/hour?
@Balrog99: I think you're using the wrong word. "Price-fixing" is a certain type of crime in the United States in which companies conspire to set a price for a given product or service rather than letting market forces determine the end price. It's legal in some industries, but not others. Do you mean "adjusting the minimum wage for purchasing power parity?"
No I mean just that. Unless the government forces wages to remain flat somehow, raising the minimum wage will do nothing more than raise inflation. If your local 7-11 pays it's employees $20/hour do you really think that electricians, plumbers, police officers, firemen, secretaries, bank-tellers, plant operators, etc... aren't going to demand higher pay since they've done a Hell of a lot more work/training/education to earn it? If you really think inflation won't go up you're hopelessly naive. I'm serious here. I really have a hard time believing that people on the left know how the real world works...
For what it's worth, the minimum wage was, from its earliest days, intended to be a living wage. It was originally designed for factory workers who were not making a living wage despite working full time--hence "minimum" wage.
If we want to reject that purpose and say there is a new reason to have a minimum wage besides allowing people to live a normal life, that's another story. But that's the original purpose of the minimum wage. It wasn't just there to lift up teenagers and fast food workers; it was to establish a living wage for people at the lowest-paying jobs of the time.
It would be great if the various minimum wage workers of the United States just got higher-paying jobs. The thing is, that's not actually happening in real life, and while we may complain about that not happening, we have to wrestle with the reality we have; not the reality we'd like.
It would be great if people didn't let their homes catch on fire. But they do, so the government provides funding for fire departments. We deem that a problem, so we provide a solution. It would be great if people who made $8 an hour made $10 instead. But they don't, so do we (1) keep waiting for the problem to solve itself, (2) decide not to solve the problem, or (3) take action to solve the problem? Because thus far, the only suggested alternative to a minimum wage increase is to do nothing at all.
We can quibble over the exact value, but every number is arbitrary, including the current one. If $15 an hour is better, why not $25? If $7.15 an hour is better, why not $3?
Personally, I'd make it a floating number: the value needed to support one adult and one dependent with basic needs on a 35- or 40-hour work week on a ~50-week work year, adjusted for purchasing power parity, and adjusted for inflation. Have a committee define "basic needs" for housing, healthcare, necessities, and utilities, and you can calculate the result.
That would be far more accurate to American needs than a flat number that has not been adjusted in 10 years.
Without price-fixing raising the minimum wage is a very temporary fix at best. Sorry, basic economics tell you that low-skill jobs will never pay as much as high-skill jobs. Period! If working the register at McDonald's pays $20/hour why the fuck would somebody pursue a career in anything requiring more than a 8th grade education? I make roughly double that with a B.S. in a STEM degree and 30 years of experience for Christ's sake!
Edit: Seriously people, is "Do you want fries with that Big-Mac?" really worth $20/hour?
Maybe we'd all prefer it if no one worked at fast food restaurants at all and had to serve ourselves. I'm sure everyone would love that. Every wonder WHY everyone at a fast food restaurant are so disinterested?? Because that's what happens when you are working at a job that puts you one step away from Soylent Green. I've seen people in managerial positions who do far, FAR less than your average worker at McDonald's, and are probably less qualified. Every restaurant worker should go on strike for a single day. Then you'll see how quickly Americans lose their shit.
Also, I have never worked in a fast food restaurant by deliberate choice, but no one who works there is JUST manning the register asking what people want. But even if they were, monotonous work is often FAR harder for a human being to get through than something that isn't, and is a mental skill in and of itself if you can manage it for any length of time. Which is gonna flow into my next point, which is that having worked in a restaurant/bar for at least a decent amount of time, I can't begin to tell you how many HORRIBLE fucking people there are out there. If I could judge a person's character by one factor, I would choose how they treat waitresses as my barometer.
For what it's worth, the minimum wage was, from its earliest days, intended to be a living wage. It was originally designed for factory workers who were not making a living wage despite working full time--hence "minimum" wage.
If we want to reject that purpose and say there is a new reason to have a minimum wage besides allowing people to live a normal life, that's another story. But that's the original purpose of the minimum wage. It wasn't just there to lift up teenagers and fast food workers; it was to establish a living wage for people at the lowest-paying jobs of the time.
It would be great if the various minimum wage workers of the United States just got higher-paying jobs. The thing is, that's not actually happening in real life, and while we may complain about that not happening, we have to wrestle with the reality we have; not the reality we'd like.
It would be great if people didn't let their homes catch on fire. But they do, so the government provides funding for fire departments. We deem that a problem, so we provide a solution. It would be great if people who made $8 an hour made $10 instead. But they don't, so do we (1) keep waiting for the problem to solve itself, (2) decide not to solve the problem, or (3) take action to solve the problem? Because thus far, the only suggested alternative to a minimum wage increase is to do nothing at all.
We can quibble over the exact value, but every number is arbitrary, including the current one. If $15 an hour is better, why not $25? If $7.15 an hour is better, why not $3?
Personally, I'd make it a floating number: the value needed to support one adult and one dependent with basic needs on a 35- or 40-hour work week on a ~50-week work year, adjusted for purchasing power parity, and adjusted for inflation. Have a committee define "basic needs" for housing, healthcare, necessities, and utilities, and you can calculate the result.
That would be far more accurate to American needs than a flat number that has not been adjusted in 10 years.
Without price-fixing raising the minimum wage is a very temporary fix at best. Sorry, basic economics tell you that low-skill jobs will never pay as much as high-skill jobs. Period! If working the register at McDonald's pays $20/hour why the fuck would somebody pursue a career in anything requiring more than a 8th grade education? I make roughly double that with a B.S. in a STEM degree and 30 years of experience for Christ's sake!
Edit: Seriously people, is "Do you want fries with that Big-Mac?" really worth $20/hour?
Maybe we'd all prefer it if no one worked at fast food restaurants at all and had to serve ourselves. I'm sure everyone would love that. Every wonder WHY everyone at a fast food restaurant are so disinterested?? Because that's what happens when you are working at a job that puts you one step away from Soylent Green. I've see people in managerial positions who do far, FAR less than your average worker at McDonald's, and are probably less qualified. Every restaurant worker should go on strike for a single day. Then you'll see how quickly Americans lose their shit.
That's great, but it doesn't explain why a job that doesn't even require basic algebra (8th grade?) is worth $20/hour. Perhaps you can explain that to me. Why exactly should you be able to raise a family of four with the skills you should learn before starting fucking high school? Seriously give that some thought before you give me the usual liberal bleeding-heart response. I should have a fucking mansion and a yacht with my BS degree and 30 years experience if you seriously believe that.
Edit: BTW, I know how to cook. Fast food is a convenience, not a necessity. A fast-food strike would end in the workers going hungry, not the customers. That's a fact...
Most jobs do not require basic algebra. In my experience most people don't even know multiplication tables up to 12. You're seriously overestimating the intelligence of even your average American who DOES make decent money. They may be skilled at the EXACT thing their job requires of them, but little else whatsoever.
@Balrog99: I'm well aware of the issue of inflation. I just consider it worth the cost if it means more folks can stay afloat.
We're talking about a small minority of American workers here--apparently 4%, according to @Mathsorcerer. The fact that the number of workers who will see wage increases is small means that the inflationary effects will be limited. Doubling all wages would double all prices, but bumping up the wages of a small number of people who already have the lowest incomes? That's a pretty tiny increase in buying power for the country as a whole, which means a correspondingly tiny increase in prices for the country as a whole.
I might not be willing to shell out the Benjamin Franklins, but I can spare a few nickels and dimes.
@Balrog99: I'm well aware of the issue of inflation. I just consider it worth the cost if it means more folks can stay afloat.
We're talking about a small minority of American workers here--apparently 4%, according to @Mathsorcerer. The fact that the number of workers who will see wage increases is small means that the inflationary effects will be limited. Doubling all wages would double all prices, but bumping up the wages of a small number of people who already have the lowest incomes? That's a pretty tiny increase in buying power for the country as a whole, which means a correspondingly tiny increase in prices for the country as a whole.
I might not be willing to shell out the Benjamin Franklins, but I can spare a few nickels and dimes.
Yeah, when I was in High-School it was always high-schoolers working in the local fast-food restaurants. None of them had any expectations that they'd be raising a family of four on those wages. It was a training-ground for the 'real' work-force. Why is it suddenly different now?
For what it's worth, the minimum wage was, from its earliest days, intended to be a living wage. It was originally designed for factory workers who were not making a living wage despite working full time--hence "minimum" wage.
If we want to reject that purpose and say there is a new reason to have a minimum wage besides allowing people to live a normal life, that's another story. But that's the original purpose of the minimum wage. It wasn't just there to lift up teenagers and fast food workers; it was to establish a living wage for people at the lowest-paying jobs of the time.
It would be great if the various minimum wage workers of the United States just got higher-paying jobs. The thing is, that's not actually happening in real life, and while we may complain about that not happening, we have to wrestle with the reality we have; not the reality we'd like.
It would be great if people didn't let their homes catch on fire. But they do, so the government provides funding for fire departments. We deem that a problem, so we provide a solution. It would be great if people who made $8 an hour made $10 instead. But they don't, so do we (1) keep waiting for the problem to solve itself, (2) decide not to solve the problem, or (3) take action to solve the problem? Because thus far, the only suggested alternative to a minimum wage increase is to do nothing at all.
We can quibble over the exact value, but every number is arbitrary, including the current one. If $15 an hour is better, why not $25? If $7.15 an hour is better, why not $3?
Personally, I'd make it a floating number: the value needed to support one adult and one dependent with basic needs on a 35- or 40-hour work week on a ~50-week work year, adjusted for purchasing power parity, and adjusted for inflation. Have a committee define "basic needs" for housing, healthcare, necessities, and utilities, and you can calculate the result.
That would be far more accurate to American needs than a flat number that has not been adjusted in 10 years.
Without price-fixing raising the minimum wage is a very temporary fix at best. Sorry, basic economics tell you that low-skill jobs will never pay as much as high-skill jobs. Period! If working the register at McDonald's pays $20/hour why the fuck would somebody pursue a career in anything requiring more than a 8th grade education? I make roughly double that with a B.S. in a STEM degree and 30 years of experience for Christ's sake!
Edit: Seriously people, is "Do you want fries with that Big-Mac?" really worth $20/hour?
Don’t worry. That job is slowly being automated.
I already said my piece about minimum wage in this thread but I’ll repeat, you can’t just raise it across the board and say “mission accomplished.”
That’s also not saying the US minimum wage shouldn’t be bumped up from its current rate, but it isn’t the only thing that should be done.
Most jobs do not require basic algebra. In my experience most people don't even know multiplication tables up to 12. You're seriously overestimating the intelligence of even your average American who DOES make decent money. They may be skilled at the EXACT thing their job requires of them, but little else whatsoever.
That's a sad commentary on our education system. What incentive is there to better yourself if everything is taken care of for you? I've lamented before that a lot of the problems in our world are due to a lack of education. How does a 'living wage' help to alleviate that? You seriously deserve to live with no problems solely because you're alive? Hello morons with the power to vote for their 'right' to draw breath and no other qualifications. Utopia? I think not. More like a recipe for eventual tyranny...
For what it's worth, the minimum wage was, from its earliest days, intended to be a living wage. It was originally designed for factory workers who were not making a living wage despite working full time--hence "minimum" wage.
If we want to reject that purpose and say there is a new reason to have a minimum wage besides allowing people to live a normal life, that's another story. But that's the original purpose of the minimum wage. It wasn't just there to lift up teenagers and fast food workers; it was to establish a living wage for people at the lowest-paying jobs of the time.
It would be great if the various minimum wage workers of the United States just got higher-paying jobs. The thing is, that's not actually happening in real life, and while we may complain about that not happening, we have to wrestle with the reality we have; not the reality we'd like.
It would be great if people didn't let their homes catch on fire. But they do, so the government provides funding for fire departments. We deem that a problem, so we provide a solution. It would be great if people who made $8 an hour made $10 instead. But they don't, so do we (1) keep waiting for the problem to solve itself, (2) decide not to solve the problem, or (3) take action to solve the problem? Because thus far, the only suggested alternative to a minimum wage increase is to do nothing at all.
We can quibble over the exact value, but every number is arbitrary, including the current one. If $15 an hour is better, why not $25? If $7.15 an hour is better, why not $3?
Personally, I'd make it a floating number: the value needed to support one adult and one dependent with basic needs on a 35- or 40-hour work week on a ~50-week work year, adjusted for purchasing power parity, and adjusted for inflation. Have a committee define "basic needs" for housing, healthcare, necessities, and utilities, and you can calculate the result.
That would be far more accurate to American needs than a flat number that has not been adjusted in 10 years.
Without price-fixing raising the minimum wage is a very temporary fix at best. Sorry, basic economics tell you that low-skill jobs will never pay as much as high-skill jobs. Period! If working the register at McDonald's pays $20/hour why the fuck would somebody pursue a career in anything requiring more than a 8th grade education? I make roughly double that with a B.S. in a STEM degree and 30 years of experience for Christ's sake!
Edit: Seriously people, is "Do you want fries with that Big-Mac?" really worth $20/hour?
Maybe we'd all prefer it if no one worked at fast food restaurants at all and had to serve ourselves. I'm sure everyone would love that. Every wonder WHY everyone at a fast food restaurant are so disinterested?? Because that's what happens when you are working at a job that puts you one step away from Soylent Green. I've seen people in managerial positions who do far, FAR less than your average worker at McDonald's, and are probably less qualified. Every restaurant worker should go on strike for a single day. Then you'll see how quickly Americans lose their shit.
Also, I have never worked in a fast food restaurant by deliberate choice, but no one who works there is JUST manning the register asking what people want. But even if they were, monotonous work is often FAR harder for a human being to get through than something that isn't, and is a mental skill in and of itself if you can manage it for any length of time. Which is gonna flow into my next point, which is that having worked in a restaurant/bar for at least a decent amount of time, I can't begin to tell you how many HORRIBLE fucking people there are out there. If I could judge a person's character by one factor, I would choose how they treat waitresses as my barometer.
I worked in a pizzeria when I was a teenager so I know what you mean. However, I always knew it was temporary so it wasn't a big deal to me. Those jobs aren't supposed to be 'forever' jobs. Seriously JJ, I know you're intelligent enough that you don't need to be doing that for a living. Nobody that posts here is. Honestly, I don't believe that anybody able to finish High School is unable to find better jobs than that.
Maybe the problem is confidence though, not job skills. That's a tougher problem to tackle. I see a lot of people with high confidence (or at least perceived confidence) getting hired over people with high skills where I work. Of course they never asked for my opinion since I'm not in management. Finally, after 30 years they at least include me in the interviews. They now listen to me, but they still ignore me...
Who called white people "dogs" and "genetically inferior"? I've heard anti-white sentiment before, but that kind of rhetoric is far more screwed-up than any I've seen before.
That said, I'm recognizing a new point I haven't heard anyone make just yet. If anti-immigrant sentiment from Trump "laid the groundwork" for hate crimes and legitimized the family separation policy--that is, if words pave the way for action--then wouldn't anti-white rhetoric also "lay the groundwork" for anti-white policies?
Of course, by their own logic, this is pretty air tight. And this is exactly what i'm saying.
Every prediction is that the white majority of this country is only going to last another couple of decades. It's more or less inevitable.
Anti white rhetoric not only has a place, it's been growing over the past couple of years. I would be less surprised if this rhetoric wasn't put into place policy wise, in some form, once they have total power.
Oh, and those were Sarah Jeongs words. She didn't use that phrase specifically (genetically inferior), but you can look at it for yourself and tell me if i'm taking it out of context. Look up the rest of them, there's a lot, for good measure. It's just non stop. I'm sure someone will try to say "just a joke bro", but once you make the same joke a hundred times, one stops laughing and starts assuming you mean it. Not that this would be an excuse anyway.
"Ms Jeong wrote in one tweet from July 2014: "Oh man it's kind of sick how much joy I get out of being cruel to old white men."
One online critic posted a selection of Ms Jeong's other tweets, which contain obscenities.
"Are white people genetically predisposed to burn faster in the sun, thus logically being only fit to live underground like groveling goblins," she said in December 2014."
The whole premise is that white people (just them, only them) are unconsciously racist, blah blah blah, feel guilty, end "whiteness". This isn't education but indoctrination into self hate. A justification for their own coming second class status. Insert *change my mind* meme.
And what do the students themselves think is the problem of whiteness? Why, white people, of course! But since you can't say "why white people suck" out loud, you have to phrase it as "The problems of whiteness"
black performers apparently don't like crowds that are too white. this is presented as stunning and brave. need i go on?
"but the “overwhelming whiteness” of Edinburgh festival fringe can be off-putting to potential performers and punters, according to Jessica Brough, the founder of Fringe of Colour."
This is so far out from what I've experienced in life, that I'm almost compelled to ask about the color of the sky on your planet. I'm a member of a multiracial family, and I've seen how much harder my black family members have had to work to get where they are. If you are so far gone that you actually think that white people have to work harder to reach the same place in life as black people ...
I've been sitting here for several minutes and I have no idea how to finish that sentence. Frankly my reaction to your posts was the same jaw-drop I got when I first watched a flat-earther's youtube video and realized he was 100% serious.
You lost me at flat earther. It's a clear sign you aren't taking me seriously and so I have no reason to take you seriously. But, since your only point here is that you are surprised and think i'm crazy, without any sort of reasoning, there's not a lot to dismiss in the first place. We can agree to be on different planets. People who enjoy being cruel to whites just don't exist, in fact, and certainly don't get institutional support. After all, you have never personally experienced it, and thus it can not be a problem now or at any point in time or place in the country.
In case I wasn't clear, the thing I'm calling crazy is your assertion that white people have a harder time reaching their goals in life than black people do. And yes I think to believe that, you'd have to ignore just as much evidence as flat-earthers do.
And I've "never personally experienced" what exactly? Someone saying mean things on twitter about a group I identify with? We're both white, so if she's saying those things about you, she's saying them about me too. Why again should I care? I didn't care about those who called me a race-traitor, or said I was stealing their women, or even the five-percenter who said I had a "black soul".
Have you ever actually experienced discrimination? Had a racial slur painted on your shop? Been denied a loan because the house is in a [white] neighborhood? Had your clothes stolen because "[white people] shouldn't have nice things like that"? (and on and on and on) Anything at all beyond mean words on the Internet?
This is the thing. Even in his lengthy post about how white people are treated badly... it summed up to some op-ed writers at a famous newspaper said bad things about whites on social media. Number one, if you think New York Times Op-Ed writers have only criticized whites in their pasts, you're apparently not aware of Bret Stephens and his controversial remarks about Arabs/Palestinians in the past.
But secondly, this is something you have to seek out. People need to adjust their expectation in this day and age, where everyone can publish any stray thought and the whole world can read it.
Black people had to deal with whole freaking magazines and celebrity intellectuals saying they were genetically inferior for decades -- even within the past fifty years. Hell, National Review supported Jim Crow until it fell and even Apartheid South Africa as late as the 1980s. Black people had to deal with the daily insult of William Buckley being considered one of America's foremost intellects for decades.
They just released at tape of two second half of the 20C US presidents calling Africans monkeys! And black people had to deal with a certain segment of white america living in denial about that racism. To compare criticism on social media or in newspaper op-eds to that... it is flat-eartherism.
Who called white people "dogs" and "genetically inferior"? I've heard anti-white sentiment before, but that kind of rhetoric is far more screwed-up than any I've seen before.
That said, I'm recognizing a new point I haven't heard anyone make just yet. If anti-immigrant sentiment from Trump "laid the groundwork" for hate crimes and legitimized the family separation policy--that is, if words pave the way for action--then wouldn't anti-white rhetoric also "lay the groundwork" for anti-white policies?
Of course, by their own logic, this is pretty air tight. And this is exactly what i'm saying.
Every prediction is that the white majority of this country is only going to last another couple of decades. It's more or less inevitable.
Anti white rhetoric not only has a place, it's been growing over the past couple of years. I would be less surprised if this rhetoric wasn't put into place policy wise, in some form, once they have total power.
Oh, and those were Sarah Jeongs words. She didn't use that phrase specifically (genetically inferior), but you can look at it for yourself and tell me if i'm taking it out of context. Look up the rest of them, there's a lot, for good measure. It's just non stop. I'm sure someone will try to say "just a joke bro", but once you make the same joke a hundred times, one stops laughing and starts assuming you mean it. Not that this would be an excuse anyway.
"Ms Jeong wrote in one tweet from July 2014: "Oh man it's kind of sick how much joy I get out of being cruel to old white men."
One online critic posted a selection of Ms Jeong's other tweets, which contain obscenities.
"Are white people genetically predisposed to burn faster in the sun, thus logically being only fit to live underground like groveling goblins," she said in December 2014."
The whole premise is that white people (just them, only them) are unconsciously racist, blah blah blah, feel guilty, end "whiteness". This isn't education but indoctrination into self hate. A justification for their own coming second class status. Insert *change my mind* meme.
And what do the students themselves think is the problem of whiteness? Why, white people, of course! But since you can't say "why white people suck" out loud, you have to phrase it as "The problems of whiteness"
black performers apparently don't like crowds that are too white. this is presented as stunning and brave. need i go on?
"but the “overwhelming whiteness” of Edinburgh festival fringe can be off-putting to potential performers and punters, according to Jessica Brough, the founder of Fringe of Colour."
This is so far out from what I've experienced in life, that I'm almost compelled to ask about the color of the sky on your planet. I'm a member of a multiracial family, and I've seen how much harder my black family members have had to work to get where they are. If you are so far gone that you actually think that white people have to work harder to reach the same place in life as black people ...
I've been sitting here for several minutes and I have no idea how to finish that sentence. Frankly my reaction to your posts was the same jaw-drop I got when I first watched a flat-earther's youtube video and realized he was 100% serious.
You lost me at flat earther. It's a clear sign you aren't taking me seriously and so I have no reason to take you seriously. But, since your only point here is that you are surprised and think i'm crazy, without any sort of reasoning, there's not a lot to dismiss in the first place. We can agree to be on different planets. People who enjoy being cruel to whites just don't exist, in fact, and certainly don't get institutional support. After all, you have never personally experienced it, and thus it can not be a problem now or at any point in time or place in the country.
In case I wasn't clear, the thing I'm calling crazy is your assertion that white people have a harder time reaching their goals in life than black people do. And yes I think to believe that, you'd have to ignore just as much evidence as flat-earthers do.
And I've "never personally experienced" what exactly? Someone saying mean things on twitter about a group I identify with? We're both white, so if she's saying those things about you, she's saying them about me too. Why again should I care? I didn't care about those who called me a race-traitor, or said I was stealing their women, or even the five-percenter who said I had a "black soul".
Have you ever actually experienced discrimination? Had a racial slur painted on your shop? Been denied a loan because the house is in a [white] neighborhood? Had your clothes stolen because "[white people] shouldn't have nice things like that"? (and on and on and on) Anything at all beyond mean words on the Internet?
This is the thing. Even in his lengthy post about how white people are treated badly... it summed up to some op-ed writers at a famous newspaper said bad things about whites on social media. Number one, if you think New York Times Op-Ed writers have only criticized whites in their pasts, you're apparently not aware of Bret Stephens and his controversial remarks about Arabs/Palestinians in the past.
But secondly, this is something you have to seek out. People need to adjust their expectation in this day and age, where everyone can publish any stray thought and the whole world can read it.
Black people had to deal with whole freaking magazines and celebrity intellectuals saying they were genetically inferior for decades -- even within the past fifty years. Hell, National Review supported Jim Crow until it fell and even Apartheid South Africa as late as the 1980s. Black people had to deal with the daily insult of William Buckley being considered one of America's foremost intellects for decades.
But now they don't. Things have changed. The only thing that hasn't changed is a victim mentality that's being promoted to them by the left. Victims will always be prey. Whether it's white supremacists who think they're inferior or white apologists who think they need special help because they're inferior is irrelevant. The fact is that blacks are not inferior and they need nothing more than to realize that in their hearts to change the situation. Irish people were called the 'niggers' of Europe at one time but they didn't let that define them and didn't consider themselves helpless 'victims' either. Of course, they also didn't have a bunch of worthless politicians telling them that they were helpless 'victims' either...
Who called white people "dogs" and "genetically inferior"? I've heard anti-white sentiment before, but that kind of rhetoric is far more screwed-up than any I've seen before.
That said, I'm recognizing a new point I haven't heard anyone make just yet. If anti-immigrant sentiment from Trump "laid the groundwork" for hate crimes and legitimized the family separation policy--that is, if words pave the way for action--then wouldn't anti-white rhetoric also "lay the groundwork" for anti-white policies?
Of course, by their own logic, this is pretty air tight. And this is exactly what i'm saying.
Every prediction is that the white majority of this country is only going to last another couple of decades. It's more or less inevitable.
Anti white rhetoric not only has a place, it's been growing over the past couple of years. I would be less surprised if this rhetoric wasn't put into place policy wise, in some form, once they have total power.
Oh, and those were Sarah Jeongs words. She didn't use that phrase specifically (genetically inferior), but you can look at it for yourself and tell me if i'm taking it out of context. Look up the rest of them, there's a lot, for good measure. It's just non stop. I'm sure someone will try to say "just a joke bro", but once you make the same joke a hundred times, one stops laughing and starts assuming you mean it. Not that this would be an excuse anyway.
"Ms Jeong wrote in one tweet from July 2014: "Oh man it's kind of sick how much joy I get out of being cruel to old white men."
One online critic posted a selection of Ms Jeong's other tweets, which contain obscenities.
"Are white people genetically predisposed to burn faster in the sun, thus logically being only fit to live underground like groveling goblins," she said in December 2014."
The whole premise is that white people (just them, only them) are unconsciously racist, blah blah blah, feel guilty, end "whiteness". This isn't education but indoctrination into self hate. A justification for their own coming second class status. Insert *change my mind* meme.
And what do the students themselves think is the problem of whiteness? Why, white people, of course! But since you can't say "why white people suck" out loud, you have to phrase it as "The problems of whiteness"
black performers apparently don't like crowds that are too white. this is presented as stunning and brave. need i go on?
"but the “overwhelming whiteness” of Edinburgh festival fringe can be off-putting to potential performers and punters, according to Jessica Brough, the founder of Fringe of Colour."
This is so far out from what I've experienced in life, that I'm almost compelled to ask about the color of the sky on your planet. I'm a member of a multiracial family, and I've seen how much harder my black family members have had to work to get where they are. If you are so far gone that you actually think that white people have to work harder to reach the same place in life as black people ...
I've been sitting here for several minutes and I have no idea how to finish that sentence. Frankly my reaction to your posts was the same jaw-drop I got when I first watched a flat-earther's youtube video and realized he was 100% serious.
You lost me at flat earther. It's a clear sign you aren't taking me seriously and so I have no reason to take you seriously. But, since your only point here is that you are surprised and think i'm crazy, without any sort of reasoning, there's not a lot to dismiss in the first place. We can agree to be on different planets. People who enjoy being cruel to whites just don't exist, in fact, and certainly don't get institutional support. After all, you have never personally experienced it, and thus it can not be a problem now or at any point in time or place in the country.
In case I wasn't clear, the thing I'm calling crazy is your assertion that white people have a harder time reaching their goals in life than black people do. And yes I think to believe that, you'd have to ignore just as much evidence as flat-earthers do.
And I've "never personally experienced" what exactly? Someone saying mean things on twitter about a group I identify with? We're both white, so if she's saying those things about you, she's saying them about me too. Why again should I care? I didn't care about those who called me a race-traitor, or said I was stealing their women, or even the five-percenter who said I had a "black soul".
Have you ever actually experienced discrimination? Had a racial slur painted on your shop? Been denied a loan because the house is in a [white] neighborhood? Had your clothes stolen because "[white people] shouldn't have nice things like that"? (and on and on and on) Anything at all beyond mean words on the Internet?
This is the thing. Even in his lengthy post about how white people are treated badly... it summed up to some op-ed writers at a famous newspaper said bad things about whites on social media. Number one, if you think New York Times Op-Ed writers have only criticized whites in their pasts, you're apparently not aware of Bret Stephens and his controversial remarks about Arabs/Palestinians in the past.
But secondly, this is something you have to seek out. People need to adjust their expectation in this day and age, where everyone can publish any stray thought and the whole world can read it.
Black people had to deal with whole freaking magazines and celebrity intellectuals saying they were genetically inferior for decades -- even within the past fifty years. Hell, National Review supported Jim Crow until it fell and even Apartheid South Africa as late as the 1980s. Black people had to deal with the daily insult of William Buckley being considered one of America's foremost intellects for decades.
They just released at tape of two second half of the 20C US presidents calling Africans monkeys! And black people had to deal with a certain segment of white america living in denial about that racism. To compare criticism on social media or in newspaper op-eds to that... it is flat-eartherism.
When I was a kid, I had friends that called black people #Small Primates# (and 'n-words'). I grew up just 10 miles from Flint Michigan but there weren't any black people in my school system! You know what though? The same people were also telling #Nasty slang for Pole# jokes, #Nasty slang for Italian# jokes, #Nasty slang for Mexican# jokes, #Another nasty slang word for Italian# jokes, Sand N-word jokes and #Nasty name for Jew# jokes. I never knew what the Hell they were talking about because I never met any of those people. Once I got a job, near Detroit though, guess what? I worked in a Polish town with, oh my God, a bunch of #Nasty slang for Pole#s, #Nasty slang for Italian#s, #Another nasty slang word for Italian#s, #Nasty slang for Mexican#s, N-words, Sand N-words and #Nasty slang for Jew#'s. And wow, it was kind of awesome to find out that they were just regular people like you and me. I sure wish everybody could see things that way but I guess that's my personal 'La la Land'...
For what it's worth, the minimum wage was, from its earliest days, intended to be a living wage. It was originally designed for factory workers who were not making a living wage despite working full time--hence "minimum" wage.
If we want to reject that purpose and say there is a new reason to have a minimum wage besides allowing people to live a normal life, that's another story. But that's the original purpose of the minimum wage. It wasn't just there to lift up teenagers and fast food workers; it was to establish a living wage for people at the lowest-paying jobs of the time.
It would be great if the various minimum wage workers of the United States just got higher-paying jobs. The thing is, that's not actually happening in real life, and while we may complain about that not happening, we have to wrestle with the reality we have; not the reality we'd like.
It would be great if people didn't let their homes catch on fire. But they do, so the government provides funding for fire departments. We deem that a problem, so we provide a solution. It would be great if people who made $8 an hour made $10 instead. But they don't, so do we (1) keep waiting for the problem to solve itself, (2) decide not to solve the problem, or (3) take action to solve the problem? Because thus far, the only suggested alternative to a minimum wage increase is to do nothing at all.
We can quibble over the exact value, but every number is arbitrary, including the current one. If $15 an hour is better, why not $25? If $7.15 an hour is better, why not $3?
Personally, I'd make it a floating number: the value needed to support one adult and one dependent with basic needs on a 35- or 40-hour work week on a ~50-week work year, adjusted for purchasing power parity, and adjusted for inflation. Have a committee define "basic needs" for housing, healthcare, necessities, and utilities, and you can calculate the result.
That would be far more accurate to American needs than a flat number that has not been adjusted in 10 years.
Without price-fixing raising the minimum wage is a very temporary fix at best. Sorry, basic economics tell you that low-skill jobs will never pay as much as high-skill jobs. Period! If working the register at McDonald's pays $20/hour why the fuck would somebody pursue a career in anything requiring more than a 8th grade education? I make roughly double that with a B.S. in a STEM degree and 30 years of experience for Christ's sake!
Edit: Seriously people, is "Do you want fries with that Big-Mac?" really worth $20/hour?
Maybe we'd all prefer it if no one worked at fast food restaurants at all and had to serve ourselves. I'm sure everyone would love that. Every wonder WHY everyone at a fast food restaurant are so disinterested?? Because that's what happens when you are working at a job that puts you one step away from Soylent Green. I've seen people in managerial positions who do far, FAR less than your average worker at McDonald's, and are probably less qualified. Every restaurant worker should go on strike for a single day. Then you'll see how quickly Americans lose their shit.
Also, I have never worked in a fast food restaurant by deliberate choice, but no one who works there is JUST manning the register asking what people want. But even if they were, monotonous work is often FAR harder for a human being to get through than something that isn't, and is a mental skill in and of itself if you can manage it for any length of time. Which is gonna flow into my next point, which is that having worked in a restaurant/bar for at least a decent amount of time, I can't begin to tell you how many HORRIBLE fucking people there are out there. If I could judge a person's character by one factor, I would choose how they treat waitresses as my barometer.
I worked in a pizzeria when I was a teenager so I know what you mean. However, I always knew it was temporary so it wasn't a big deal to me. Those jobs aren't supposed to be 'forever' jobs. Seriously JJ, I know you're intelligent enough that you don't need to be doing that for a living. Nobody that posts here is. Honestly, I don't believe that anybody able to finish High School is unable to find better jobs than that.
Maybe the problem is confidence though, not job skills. That's a tougher problem to tackle. I see a lot of people with high confidence (or at least perceived confidence) getting hired over people with high skills where I work. Of course they never asked for my opinion since I'm not in management. Finally, after 30 years they at least include me in the interviews. They now listen to me, but they still ignore me...
I didn't say I work there now, I said I have for a period of time. I wouldn't want to do it again, but I'm glad I did do it so I could see how it was. My point being that I have no respect for anyone who treats their servers like shit, but the 7th circle of hell is reserved for people who ask to speak to a manager. I don't think I've asked to speak to a manager once in my entire life anywhere for any reason. 90% of the time it's nothing but a bullshit power trip. And I got news for those people. The managers think you're full of shit too.
Maybe, just maybe, a little something-something might actually be done this time. (Color me sceptical but I'm an optimist about nearly everything anything not involving politics or religion so what the hey, wrong again???)
For what it's worth, the minimum wage was, from its earliest days, intended to be a living wage. It was originally designed for factory workers who were not making a living wage despite working full time--hence "minimum" wage.
If we want to reject that purpose and say there is a new reason to have a minimum wage besides allowing people to live a normal life, that's another story. But that's the original purpose of the minimum wage. It wasn't just there to lift up teenagers and fast food workers; it was to establish a living wage for people at the lowest-paying jobs of the time.
It would be great if the various minimum wage workers of the United States just got higher-paying jobs. The thing is, that's not actually happening in real life, and while we may complain about that not happening, we have to wrestle with the reality we have; not the reality we'd like.
It would be great if people didn't let their homes catch on fire. But they do, so the government provides funding for fire departments. We deem that a problem, so we provide a solution. It would be great if people who made $8 an hour made $10 instead. But they don't, so do we (1) keep waiting for the problem to solve itself, (2) decide not to solve the problem, or (3) take action to solve the problem? Because thus far, the only suggested alternative to a minimum wage increase is to do nothing at all.
We can quibble over the exact value, but every number is arbitrary, including the current one. If $15 an hour is better, why not $25? If $7.15 an hour is better, why not $3?
Personally, I'd make it a floating number: the value needed to support one adult and one dependent with basic needs on a 35- or 40-hour work week on a ~50-week work year, adjusted for purchasing power parity, and adjusted for inflation. Have a committee define "basic needs" for housing, healthcare, necessities, and utilities, and you can calculate the result.
That would be far more accurate to American needs than a flat number that has not been adjusted in 10 years.
Without price-fixing raising the minimum wage is a very temporary fix at best. Sorry, basic economics tell you that low-skill jobs will never pay as much as high-skill jobs. Period! If working the register at McDonald's pays $20/hour why the fuck would somebody pursue a career in anything requiring more than a 8th grade education? I make roughly double that with a B.S. in a STEM degree and 30 years of experience for Christ's sake!
Edit: Seriously people, is "Do you want fries with that Big-Mac?" really worth $20/hour?
Maybe we'd all prefer it if no one worked at fast food restaurants at all and had to serve ourselves. I'm sure everyone would love that. Every wonder WHY everyone at a fast food restaurant are so disinterested?? Because that's what happens when you are working at a job that puts you one step away from Soylent Green. I've seen people in managerial positions who do far, FAR less than your average worker at McDonald's, and are probably less qualified. Every restaurant worker should go on strike for a single day. Then you'll see how quickly Americans lose their shit.
Also, I have never worked in a fast food restaurant by deliberate choice, but no one who works there is JUST manning the register asking what people want. But even if they were, monotonous work is often FAR harder for a human being to get through than something that isn't, and is a mental skill in and of itself if you can manage it for any length of time. Which is gonna flow into my next point, which is that having worked in a restaurant/bar for at least a decent amount of time, I can't begin to tell you how many HORRIBLE fucking people there are out there. If I could judge a person's character by one factor, I would choose how they treat waitresses as my barometer.
I worked in a pizzeria when I was a teenager so I know what you mean. However, I always knew it was temporary so it wasn't a big deal to me. Those jobs aren't supposed to be 'forever' jobs. Seriously JJ, I know you're intelligent enough that you don't need to be doing that for a living. Nobody that posts here is. Honestly, I don't believe that anybody able to finish High School is unable to find better jobs than that.
Maybe the problem is confidence though, not job skills. That's a tougher problem to tackle. I see a lot of people with high confidence (or at least perceived confidence) getting hired over people with high skills where I work. Of course they never asked for my opinion since I'm not in management. Finally, after 30 years they at least include me in the interviews. They now listen to me, but they still ignore me...
I didn't say I work there now, I said I have for a period of time. I wouldn't want to do it again, but I'm glad I did do it so I could see how it was. My point being that I have no respect for anyone who treats their servers like shit, but the 7th circle of hell is reserved for people who ask to speak to a manager. I don't think I've asked to speak to a manager once in my entire life anywhere for any reason. 90% of the time it's nothing but a bullshit power trip. And I got news for those people. The managers think you're full of shit too.
Managers in general do, until they try to replace you. I've gotten two promotions since my manager tried to train people right out of college to do my job (including a pHD). Once she finally realized I was actually good at what I do things changed. Competence isn't easily replaced. That might not mean much in a fast-food environment but one of our interns still works at White Castle as a manager and she's really smart, an excellent worker and even now that she's nearly done with her Chemistry degree doesn't think that the White Castle job is 'beneath' her. Attitude goes a long way. Just sayin'...
Edit: Seriously people, is "Do you want fries with that Big-Mac?" really worth $20/hour?
Yes. It is. And even more.
Your arguments that high schoolers mostly do those jobs and "don't expect" a living wage is meaningless. Just because they might not expect that much pay does not mean that they deserve to be exploited by paying them significantly less than what their labor is worth.
Also, if fast food employees go hungry during a strike, it's not because their work isn't needed or in demand, it's because they're in a state with anti-labor laws or simply a lack of labor protection laws.
Also, they do go on strike and they have gone on strike before.
Anyway, your attempts at ominous threats of inflation if people make more money are noted, but perhaps you failed to notice that inflation is happening anyway, while wages are remaining stagnant. This is one reason people end up relying on credit to make ends meet, and a definite contributor to the financial collapse last decade.
Letting capitalist business run unfettered without intervention and regulation is bad. That way lies factory workers losing their jaws to white phosphorous or radiation, workers trapped inside the Triangle Shirtwaist factory while it burned down around them, and child labor.
If your pollution is damaging other person propriety, you should pay for that. Same with your own workers. About child labor, people talk about child labor as it is an "capitalist thing", when children worked hard during communist regimes, and worked hard since the tribal societies. In fact capitalism allowed an higher productivity that allowed children to stop working.
All well and good, but companies have a VERY long history of first saying "Not my problem, your problem", then "If you want it to be my problem, sue me. And just try winning against our multi-million dollar attorney army." Then it's "We've paid off the politicians to pass laws to make it harder to sue us to begin with." We're getting to the point where it is "Haha, you CAN'T sue us, no matter what we do."
The most pollution happens in Asia and Africa. Regions with traditional big government.
What is this, I don't even...
Are you FOR REAL?
What exactly is your idea of "big government"? Because clearly, I think you think that ANY government is "big" government, if you think Africa or Asia has big government.
The IMF has major advanced economies and other advanced economies at 36% of GDP on average. Emerging and developing countries in Asia, northern Africa, and the Middle East are 25-30% on average. Subsaharan Africa is at 20% on average. Nigeria, Africa's largest country by GDP, is at 9%.
For what it's worth, the minimum wage was, from its earliest days, intended to be a living wage. It was originally designed for factory workers who were not making a living wage despite working full time--hence "minimum" wage.
If we want to reject that purpose and say there is a new reason to have a minimum wage besides allowing people to live a normal life, that's another story. But that's the original purpose of the minimum wage. It wasn't just there to lift up teenagers and fast food workers; it was to establish a living wage for people at the lowest-paying jobs of the time.
It would be great if the various minimum wage workers of the United States just got higher-paying jobs. The thing is, that's not actually happening in real life, and while we may complain about that not happening, we have to wrestle with the reality we have; not the reality we'd like.
It would be great if people didn't let their homes catch on fire. But they do, so the government provides funding for fire departments. We deem that a problem, so we provide a solution. It would be great if people who made $8 an hour made $10 instead. But they don't, so do we (1) keep waiting for the problem to solve itself, (2) decide not to solve the problem, or (3) take action to solve the problem? Because thus far, the only suggested alternative to a minimum wage increase is to do nothing at all.
We can quibble over the exact value, but every number is arbitrary, including the current one. If $15 an hour is better, why not $25? If $7.15 an hour is better, why not $3?
Personally, I'd make it a floating number: the value needed to support one adult and one dependent with basic needs on a 35- or 40-hour work week on a ~50-week work year, adjusted for purchasing power parity, and adjusted for inflation. Have a committee define "basic needs" for housing, healthcare, necessities, and utilities, and you can calculate the result.
That would be far more accurate to American needs than a flat number that has not been adjusted in 10 years.
Without price-fixing raising the minimum wage is a very temporary fix at best. Sorry, basic economics tell you that low-skill jobs will never pay as much as high-skill jobs. Period! If working the register at McDonald's pays $20/hour why the fuck would somebody pursue a career in anything requiring more than a 8th grade education? I make roughly double that with a B.S. in a STEM degree and 30 years of experience for Christ's sake!
Edit: Seriously people, is "Do you want fries with that Big-Mac?" really worth $20/hour?
Yes, yes it is.
Minimum wage should be like the federal payscale. A minimum base amount, and then a locality adjustment multiplier. Because some places cost more to live in than others. Obviously.
And yes, 'price-fixing' is not the term you want. The term you meant to use is 'price indexing'.
And you have twice the income of someone making $20/hour. I KNOW that means you're making more than twice in disposable income. So you have the option of investing, and compounding your financial advantage to several times more.
Over time the minimum wage tends to decline in value so it may be best to index link it to inflation. This has the consequence that workers' hours of employment (or at least what goes on the record) may be reduced unless other protections have been put in place however. Companies may reduce hours due to technological advances for example. The minimum wage is only one cog and won't alter society dramatically by itself...
Apparently McDonald's workers make $20 per hour in Denmark. 50 cents per hour in India all the way up to $20 per hour in Denmark.
I'd rather live in Denmark than India.
With the median wage for front-line fast food workers at $8.69 per hour, about 52 percent of American front-line fast food workers also rely on government assistance programs to meet basic needs, according to a recent study by the National Employment Law Project. This ultimately costs tax payers $3.8 billion to subsidize worker pay from the 10 largest fast food companies and $1.2 billion from McDonald's alone.
My building is on lockdown right now. There's been reports of a person with a gun at the USA Today building just down the street. No reports of shots fired or anything, but they've evacuated the building and they're asking us in neighboring buildings to stay inside.
My building is on lockdown right now. There's been reports of a person with a gun at the USA Today building just down the street. No reports of shots fired or anything, but they've evacuated the building and they're asking us in neighboring buildings to stay inside.
My building is on lockdown right now. There's been reports of a person with a gun at the USA Today building just down the street. No reports of shots fired or anything, but they've evacuated the building and they're asking us in neighboring buildings to stay inside.
Venezuela, Japan and Urugay recently issued travel advisory recommendations to the US because of gun violence.
Venezuela warned their citizens to avoid cities they called the "20 most dangerous in the world," based on a report from Forbes Magazine. Among the cities listed are Memphis, Tennessee, Birmingham, Alabama, and Atlanta, Georgia.
According to the Los Angeles Times, the Japanese Counsul in Detroit has also issued an alert to Japanese nationals, stating nationals should be aware of "potential for gunfire incidents everywhere in the United States."
Both countries joined Urugay, which warned their citizens traveling to the U.S. to "take precautions against growing indiscriminate violence, mostly for hate crimes, including racism and discrimination."
Maybe some guy was seen with a gun and maybe they weren't. What this incident shows is we've reached a tipping point. Anyone who sees anyone open carrying at this point in our nation's history is going to JUSTIFIABLY assume their life may be in danger. Anyone who is open carrying is completely oblivious to the moment we're in. If I am in a building or public place and see some guy with an AR-15 strapped to his back, I'm not sticking around to find out what his intentions are. Any reasonable person is going to remove themselves from the vicinity as soon as possible. And I'd encourage everyone else to do the same. Because if someone IS open-carrying an assult rifle in public given recent events, chances are they aren't all there to begin with, and at the very least I don't trust their judgement as a responsible human being enough to be near them for a second longer than necessary. Go join the army if you want to play GI Joe.
My building is on lockdown right now. There's been reports of a person with a gun at the USA Today building just down the street. No reports of shots fired or anything, but they've evacuated the building and they're asking us in neighboring buildings to stay inside.
Venezuela, Japan and Urugay recently issued travel advisory recommendations to the US because of gun violence.
Venezuela warned their citizens to avoid cities they called the "20 most dangerous in the world," based on a report from Forbes Magazine. Among the cities listed are Memphis, Tennessee, Birmingham, Alabama, and Atlanta, Georgia.
According to the Los Angeles Times, the Japanese Counsul in Detroit has also issued an alert to Japanese nationals, stating nationals should be aware of "potential for gunfire incidents everywhere in the United States."
Both countries joined Urugay, which warned their citizens traveling to the U.S. to "take precautions against growing indiscriminate violence, mostly for hate crimes, including racism and discrimination."
My building is on lockdown right now. There's been reports of a person with a gun at the USA Today building just down the street. No reports of shots fired or anything, but they've evacuated the building and they're asking us in neighboring buildings to stay inside.
Venezuela, Japan and Urugay recently issued travel advisory recommendations to the US because of gun violence.
Venezuela warned their citizens to avoid cities they called the "20 most dangerous in the world," based on a report from Forbes Magazine. Among the cities listed are Memphis, Tennessee, Birmingham, Alabama, and Atlanta, Georgia.
According to the Los Angeles Times, the Japanese Counsul in Detroit has also issued an alert to Japanese nationals, stating nationals should be aware of "potential for gunfire incidents everywhere in the United States."
Both countries joined Urugay, which warned their citizens traveling to the U.S. to "take precautions against growing indiscriminate violence, mostly for hate crimes, including racism and discrimination."
Venezuela, really? What a joke. They'd be far safer here and a lot of them are giving up everything they have in order to get here!
Japan has a legitimate beef though...
Well that's the thing with terrorism, by raw numbers sure you're more likely to die from a vending machine falling on you but the reason people freak out is when a white supremacist terrorist or Islamic terrorist or whatever starts killing people is because it's designed to cause terror.
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Without price-fixing raising the minimum wage is a very temporary fix at best. Sorry, basic economics tell you that low-skill jobs will never pay as much as high-skill jobs. Period! If working the register at McDonald's pays $20/hour why the fuck would somebody pursue a career in anything requiring more than a 8th grade education? I make roughly double that with a B.S. in a STEM degree and 30 years of experience for Christ's sake!
Edit: Seriously people, is "Do you want fries with that Big-Mac?" really worth $20/hour?
No I mean just that. Unless the government forces wages to remain flat somehow, raising the minimum wage will do nothing more than raise inflation. If your local 7-11 pays it's employees $20/hour do you really think that electricians, plumbers, police officers, firemen, secretaries, bank-tellers, plant operators, etc... aren't going to demand higher pay since they've done a Hell of a lot more work/training/education to earn it? If you really think inflation won't go up you're hopelessly naive. I'm serious here. I really have a hard time believing that people on the left know how the real world works...
Maybe we'd all prefer it if no one worked at fast food restaurants at all and had to serve ourselves. I'm sure everyone would love that. Every wonder WHY everyone at a fast food restaurant are so disinterested?? Because that's what happens when you are working at a job that puts you one step away from Soylent Green. I've seen people in managerial positions who do far, FAR less than your average worker at McDonald's, and are probably less qualified. Every restaurant worker should go on strike for a single day. Then you'll see how quickly Americans lose their shit.
Also, I have never worked in a fast food restaurant by deliberate choice, but no one who works there is JUST manning the register asking what people want. But even if they were, monotonous work is often FAR harder for a human being to get through than something that isn't, and is a mental skill in and of itself if you can manage it for any length of time. Which is gonna flow into my next point, which is that having worked in a restaurant/bar for at least a decent amount of time, I can't begin to tell you how many HORRIBLE fucking people there are out there. If I could judge a person's character by one factor, I would choose how they treat waitresses as my barometer.
That's great, but it doesn't explain why a job that doesn't even require basic algebra (8th grade?) is worth $20/hour. Perhaps you can explain that to me. Why exactly should you be able to raise a family of four with the skills you should learn before starting fucking high school? Seriously give that some thought before you give me the usual liberal bleeding-heart response. I should have a fucking mansion and a yacht with my BS degree and 30 years experience if you seriously believe that.
Edit: BTW, I know how to cook. Fast food is a convenience, not a necessity. A fast-food strike would end in the workers going hungry, not the customers. That's a fact...
We're talking about a small minority of American workers here--apparently 4%, according to @Mathsorcerer. The fact that the number of workers who will see wage increases is small means that the inflationary effects will be limited. Doubling all wages would double all prices, but bumping up the wages of a small number of people who already have the lowest incomes? That's a pretty tiny increase in buying power for the country as a whole, which means a correspondingly tiny increase in prices for the country as a whole.
I might not be willing to shell out the Benjamin Franklins, but I can spare a few nickels and dimes.
Yeah, when I was in High-School it was always high-schoolers working in the local fast-food restaurants. None of them had any expectations that they'd be raising a family of four on those wages. It was a training-ground for the 'real' work-force. Why is it suddenly different now?
Don’t worry. That job is slowly being automated.
I already said my piece about minimum wage in this thread but I’ll repeat, you can’t just raise it across the board and say “mission accomplished.”
That’s also not saying the US minimum wage shouldn’t be bumped up from its current rate, but it isn’t the only thing that should be done.
That's a sad commentary on our education system. What incentive is there to better yourself if everything is taken care of for you? I've lamented before that a lot of the problems in our world are due to a lack of education. How does a 'living wage' help to alleviate that? You seriously deserve to live with no problems solely because you're alive? Hello morons with the power to vote for their 'right' to draw breath and no other qualifications. Utopia? I think not. More like a recipe for eventual tyranny...
I worked in a pizzeria when I was a teenager so I know what you mean. However, I always knew it was temporary so it wasn't a big deal to me. Those jobs aren't supposed to be 'forever' jobs. Seriously JJ, I know you're intelligent enough that you don't need to be doing that for a living. Nobody that posts here is. Honestly, I don't believe that anybody able to finish High School is unable to find better jobs than that.
Maybe the problem is confidence though, not job skills. That's a tougher problem to tackle. I see a lot of people with high confidence (or at least perceived confidence) getting hired over people with high skills where I work. Of course they never asked for my opinion since I'm not in management. Finally, after 30 years they at least include me in the interviews. They now listen to me, but they still ignore me...
This is the thing. Even in his lengthy post about how white people are treated badly... it summed up to some op-ed writers at a famous newspaper said bad things about whites on social media. Number one, if you think New York Times Op-Ed writers have only criticized whites in their pasts, you're apparently not aware of Bret Stephens and his controversial remarks about Arabs/Palestinians in the past.
But secondly, this is something you have to seek out. People need to adjust their expectation in this day and age, where everyone can publish any stray thought and the whole world can read it.
Black people had to deal with whole freaking magazines and celebrity intellectuals saying they were genetically inferior for decades -- even within the past fifty years. Hell, National Review supported Jim Crow until it fell and even Apartheid South Africa as late as the 1980s. Black people had to deal with the daily insult of William Buckley being considered one of America's foremost intellects for decades.
They just released at tape of two second half of the 20C US presidents calling Africans monkeys! And black people had to deal with a certain segment of white america living in denial about that racism. To compare criticism on social media or in newspaper op-eds to that... it is flat-eartherism.
But now they don't. Things have changed. The only thing that hasn't changed is a victim mentality that's being promoted to them by the left. Victims will always be prey. Whether it's white supremacists who think they're inferior or white apologists who think they need special help because they're inferior is irrelevant. The fact is that blacks are not inferior and they need nothing more than to realize that in their hearts to change the situation. Irish people were called the 'niggers' of Europe at one time but they didn't let that define them and didn't consider themselves helpless 'victims' either. Of course, they also didn't have a bunch of worthless politicians telling them that they were helpless 'victims' either...
When I was a kid, I had friends that called black people #Small Primates# (and 'n-words'). I grew up just 10 miles from Flint Michigan but there weren't any black people in my school system! You know what though? The same people were also telling #Nasty slang for Pole# jokes, #Nasty slang for Italian# jokes, #Nasty slang for Mexican# jokes, #Another nasty slang word for Italian# jokes, Sand N-word jokes and #Nasty name for Jew# jokes. I never knew what the Hell they were talking about because I never met any of those people. Once I got a job, near Detroit though, guess what? I worked in a Polish town with, oh my God, a bunch of #Nasty slang for Pole#s, #Nasty slang for Italian#s, #Another nasty slang word for Italian#s, #Nasty slang for Mexican#s, N-words, Sand N-words and #Nasty slang for Jew#'s. And wow, it was kind of awesome to find out that they were just regular people like you and me. I sure wish everybody could see things that way but I guess that's my personal 'La la Land'...
I didn't say I work there now, I said I have for a period of time. I wouldn't want to do it again, but I'm glad I did do it so I could see how it was. My point being that I have no respect for anyone who treats their servers like shit, but the 7th circle of hell is reserved for people who ask to speak to a manager. I don't think I've asked to speak to a manager once in my entire life anywhere for any reason. 90% of the time it's nothing but a bullshit power trip. And I got news for those people. The managers think you're full of shit too.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/08/07/politics/gun-legislation-momentum/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/
Managers in general do, until they try to replace you. I've gotten two promotions since my manager tried to train people right out of college to do my job (including a pHD). Once she finally realized I was actually good at what I do things changed. Competence isn't easily replaced. That might not mean much in a fast-food environment but one of our interns still works at White Castle as a manager and she's really smart, an excellent worker and even now that she's nearly done with her Chemistry degree doesn't think that the White Castle job is 'beneath' her. Attitude goes a long way. Just sayin'...
Yes. It is. And even more.
Your arguments that high schoolers mostly do those jobs and "don't expect" a living wage is meaningless. Just because they might not expect that much pay does not mean that they deserve to be exploited by paying them significantly less than what their labor is worth.
Also, if fast food employees go hungry during a strike, it's not because their work isn't needed or in demand, it's because they're in a state with anti-labor laws or simply a lack of labor protection laws.
Also, they do go on strike and they have gone on strike before.
https://www.eater.com/2019/5/23/18637647/mcdonalds-strike-sexual-harassment-workplace-violence-minimum-wage-union
Anyway, your attempts at ominous threats of inflation if people make more money are noted, but perhaps you failed to notice that inflation is happening anyway, while wages are remaining stagnant. This is one reason people end up relying on credit to make ends meet, and a definite contributor to the financial collapse last decade.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/08/07/for-most-us-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/
All well and good, but companies have a VERY long history of first saying "Not my problem, your problem", then "If you want it to be my problem, sue me. And just try winning against our multi-million dollar attorney army." Then it's "We've paid off the politicians to pass laws to make it harder to sue us to begin with." We're getting to the point where it is "Haha, you CAN'T sue us, no matter what we do."
What is this, I don't even...
Are you FOR REAL?
What exactly is your idea of "big government"? Because clearly, I think you think that ANY government is "big" government, if you think Africa or Asia has big government.
The IMF has major advanced economies and other advanced economies at 36% of GDP on average. Emerging and developing countries in Asia, northern Africa, and the Middle East are 25-30% on average. Subsaharan Africa is at 20% on average. Nigeria, Africa's largest country by GDP, is at 9%.
Yes, yes it is.
Minimum wage should be like the federal payscale. A minimum base amount, and then a locality adjustment multiplier. Because some places cost more to live in than others. Obviously.
And yes, 'price-fixing' is not the term you want. The term you meant to use is 'price indexing'.
And you have twice the income of someone making $20/hour. I KNOW that means you're making more than twice in disposable income. So you have the option of investing, and compounding your financial advantage to several times more.
I would generalize this as "How they treat those of lesser power".
I'd rather live in Denmark than India.
With the median wage for front-line fast food workers at $8.69 per hour, about 52 percent of American front-line fast food workers also rely on government assistance programs to meet basic needs, according to a recent study by the National Employment Law Project. This ultimately costs tax payers $3.8 billion to subsidize worker pay from the 10 largest fast food companies and $1.2 billion from McDonald's alone.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/global-mcdonalds-protests_n_5324938
Yikes! Stay low, man...
Venezuela, Japan and Urugay recently issued travel advisory recommendations to the US because of gun violence.
Venezuela warned their citizens to avoid cities they called the "20 most dangerous in the world," based on a report from Forbes Magazine. Among the cities listed are Memphis, Tennessee, Birmingham, Alabama, and Atlanta, Georgia.
According to the Los Angeles Times, the Japanese Counsul in Detroit has also issued an alert to Japanese nationals, stating nationals should be aware of "potential for gunfire incidents everywhere in the United States."
Both countries joined Urugay, which warned their citizens traveling to the U.S. to "take precautions against growing indiscriminate violence, mostly for hate crimes, including racism and discrimination."
Maybe some guy was seen with a gun and maybe they weren't. What this incident shows is we've reached a tipping point. Anyone who sees anyone open carrying at this point in our nation's history is going to JUSTIFIABLY assume their life may be in danger. Anyone who is open carrying is completely oblivious to the moment we're in. If I am in a building or public place and see some guy with an AR-15 strapped to his back, I'm not sticking around to find out what his intentions are. Any reasonable person is going to remove themselves from the vicinity as soon as possible. And I'd encourage everyone else to do the same. Because if someone IS open-carrying an assult rifle in public given recent events, chances are they aren't all there to begin with, and at the very least I don't trust their judgement as a responsible human being enough to be near them for a second longer than necessary. Go join the army if you want to play GI Joe.
Uruguayans would be safer here.
https://www.apnews.com/11d932d176604ce391bcd107a739c9fb
Venezuela, really? What a joke. They'd be far safer here and a lot of them are giving up everything they have in order to get here!
Japan has a legitimate beef though...
Well that's the thing with terrorism, by raw numbers sure you're more likely to die from a vending machine falling on you but the reason people freak out is when a white supremacist terrorist or Islamic terrorist or whatever starts killing people is because it's designed to cause terror.