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"Maybe this time" [NO-RELOAD THREAD]: "The Tale of TEN THOUSAND Trials"

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  • Alesia_BHAlesia_BH Member Posts: 408
    edited September 2017
    Ygramul said:

    Is this at engine level or can it be patched?

    One just doesn't expect to find such inconsistencies after so many Fixes and Tweaks.
    Although, this is perhaps an artifact of the EE?

    It's engine level, we believe. The original specialist penalty anomaly result were invariant across EE and vanilla.

    I believe this should be referred to the EE team and also the ToBex squad.

    (I'd like to know what that rock is going on with Aestica and Bestica, though, before we refer. It seems that there are dimensions to the problem that we don't fully appreciate)

    Best,

    A.

    YgramulWise_GrimwaldRVNS
  • semiticgodsemiticgod Member, Moderator Posts: 13,527
    @Alesia_BH: I can't make sense of those results. The Berserker is getting bonuses on a schoolless weapon while the unkitted one does not? If there's any discrepancy, it should be the opposite direction.

    What is the unkitted fighter's kit according to EEKeeper? Is it "base class" or "none" or "no kit" or "true class" or "generalist?" Because I've seen multiple such names in Keeper and Near Infinity, and I'm wondering if there are two types of kitless kits.

    Wise_GrimwaldAlesia_BHRVNS
  • Alesia_BHAlesia_BH Member Posts: 408
    edited September 2017

    @Alesia_BH: I can't make sense of those results. The Berserker is getting bonuses on a schoolless weapon while the unkitted one does not? If there's any discrepancy, it should be the opposite direction.

    Exactly. It's unexpected, seemingly backwards- hence the WTF.

    My results suggest that the penalty applies when a kitted -not an unkitted- warrior wields a weapon with an on hit effect. This conflicts with Grim Jim's assertion that it's the other way around.

    Note that Grim Jim's model was based, in part, on the belief that Koshi was NO_KIT- 0. He is KENSAI- 3, at least in my install.

    I'm as yet unwilling to propose a general model, but the data are suggesting that our prior model wasn't entirely accurate. It fails to account for the Aestica/Bestica results.

    What is the unkitted fighter's kit according to EEKeeper? Is it "base class" or "none" or "no kit" or "true class" or "generalist?" Because I've seen multiple such names in Keeper and Near Infinity, and I'm wondering if there are two types of kitless kits.

    NO_KIT. And, yes, it can make a difference.

    Best,

    A.

    RVNS
  • YgramulYgramul Member Posts: 1,059

    [reposting this from the Modding forum, in case on of the experts here can help]

    gibberlings3 site seems to be down.

    I am about to start a new BG2EE run, considering IR+SR+SCS.

    Could someone post links to the latest stable IR, SR, SCS [modified for SR] packages please?
    (Maybe you could upload your own installation files somewhere.)

    (P.S. I live on a Mac.)

    @Serg_BlackStrider thank you for posting your install order earlier; I hope I got the suggested combination here correct.

    ** Bonus question:
    Which of the Tweaks or Fixes should I use with these mods? (Since EE implemented some Fixes but not all.)
    Could you point me to a link for that as well.

    Thanks in advance.

  • Alesia_BHAlesia_BH Member Posts: 408
    @Ygramul. Mac version of the Fixpack:

    (I'll take this down when G3 is back in business)

    Ygramul
  • Alesia_BHAlesia_BH Member Posts: 408
    @Everyone else. Yay or nay on the new Adventurer's Lounge? I think it's a good idea- especially since we have so much traffic here now.

  • YgramulYgramul Member Posts: 1,059
    Alesia_BH said:

    @Ygramul. Mac version of the Fixpack:

    (I'll take this down when G3 is back in business)

    Thanks a lot!

  • semiticgodsemiticgod Member, Moderator Posts: 13,527
    @Alesia_BH: Your tests seem to be under controlled conditions, so I see no reason to doubt their accuracy, even if the results are weird.

    What if you had two Berserkers throwing Darts of Stunning at each other? Or two unkitted fighters? That might tell us if the Berserker kit is imposing a penalty on the Darts of Stunning it throws, or if the unkitted fighter is suffering a penalty when making a save against hostile weapons.

    RVNSlolien
  • Alesia_BHAlesia_BH Member Posts: 408

    @Alesia_BH: Your tests seem to be under controlled conditions, so I see no reason to doubt their accuracy, even if the results are weird.

    It's weird, I agree. I'd like someone to replicate before we move on.

    What if you had two Berserkers throwing Darts of Stunning at each other? Or two unkitted fighters? That might tell us if the Berserker kit is imposing a penalty on the Darts of Stunning it throws, or if the unkitted fighter is suffering a penalty when making a save against hostile weapons.

    I'd like to see matching kitted, matching unkitted, and a non-matching kits paired. Let's replicate the Aestica/Bestica results first, though.

    Best,

    A.

  • Alesia_BHAlesia_BH Member Posts: 408
    Yuppers! Congrats, Neverused!

    JuliusBorisov
  • RVNSRVNS Member Posts: 279
    Not much going on with my run. I finished up the rest of beregost today with the exception of Silke. More to come on the weekend when I have more than a fifteen minute window of game time.

    JuliusBorisovussnorway
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