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  • TakisMegasTakisMegas Member Posts: 835


    As I stated, chemical composition theory is not the same as the feen (fiend) that uses said drug. If you put them side by side and observe. If you haven't observed then.

    There is a reason why the 80's called it the rich mans drug. Crack cocaine is devastating.

    What's more devastating is putting people in prison for decades for using it.
    You seriously believe that people that use crack, or meth or heroin or cocaine (powder) should not be disciplined for breaking the law and causing chaos in society? Drug dealers and users of course.
    Certainly not for the act of using or simply being in possession of the drug, absolutely not. You know what causes more chaos in society than all of those drugs put together?? Alcohol.

    Incidentally, now that the major drug problem in the country is opioids that are mostly hitting rural and suburban white people, the calls for tolerance and treatment for drug use and possession rather than prison seems to be rising dramatically. Funny how that works.
    I would like to see the study that states Alcohol is causing more chaos in society than any of the drugs I listed. Is there a drug dealer problem with Alcohol? Do gangs fight over Alcohol. Do people kill over a mickey? Need that case study.
    Gangs fight over drug territory because of the illegality of the drug. When alcohol was banned during prohibition, organized crime and bootleggers did the EXACT same thing.
    Need that study please.
    http://www.nber.org/papers/w6950

    In particular, section 2.1, which explains that if a product is illegal, the disputes that rise from the sale of that product, which would usually be conducted through lawyers or courts cannot take place, thus leading to the another method of solving the problem, which is violence.
    Please read the whole study. Please.
    The conclusion of the study is exactly what I stated it was, as clearly laid out in the "Conclusions" portion on page 26 of the PDF.
    This study does not include/take into account the crimes committed by people who need money to sustain their habit. People who have $150 000 jobs drink alcohol, they get drunk and get into a fight. Tell me the crimes that a crack/meth/opiod fiend commits.
  • TakisMegasTakisMegas Member Posts: 835


    As I stated, chemical composition theory is not the same as the feen (fiend) that uses said drug. If you put them side by side and observe. If you haven't observed then.

    There is a reason why the 80's called it the rich mans drug. Crack cocaine is devastating.

    What's more devastating is putting people in prison for decades for using it.
    You seriously believe that people that use crack, or meth or heroin or cocaine (powder) should not be disciplined for breaking the law and causing chaos in society? Drug dealers and users of course.
    Of course they should be disciplined. The question we have is about what happens after someone makes a bad choice.

    These people will eventually rejoin society, will they be able to fit in once they get out?

    Harsh punishment does not stop crime. Locking nonviolent people up for decades around dangerous criminals will train and condition


    As I stated, chemical composition theory is not the same as the feen (fiend) that uses said drug. If you put them side by side and observe. If you haven't observed then.

    There is a reason why the 80's called it the rich mans drug. Crack cocaine is devastating.

    What's more devastating is putting people in prison for decades for using it.
    You seriously believe that people that use crack, or meth or heroin or cocaine (powder) should not be disciplined for breaking the law and causing chaos in society? Drug dealers and users of course.
    Of course they should be disciplined. The question we have is about what happens after someone makes a bad choice.

    These people will eventually rejoin society, will they be able to fit in once they get out?

    Harsh punishment does not stop crime. Locking nonviolent people up for decades around dangerous criminals will train and condition more criminals. What kind of person do you want to get out of jail, when their debt to society is over?

    American criminal justice system needs reform - less focus on punishment and more on rehabilitation. more criminals. What kind of person do you want to get out of jail, when their debt to society is over?

    American criminal justice system needs reform - less focus on punishment and more on rehabilitation.
    I wish that every country took a page out of Portugal's laws on drugs. The number of people incarcerated with up to a 10 day supply went down but I want to know the numbers on the crimes committed by people who need money to sustain their habit.
    The use of the drug and theft are two different crimes. The person SHOULD be punished for the theft.
    Alcoholics do NOT kill for their fix, drug fiends do.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850


    As I stated, chemical composition theory is not the same as the feen (fiend) that uses said drug. If you put them side by side and observe. If you haven't observed then.

    There is a reason why the 80's called it the rich mans drug. Crack cocaine is devastating.

    What's more devastating is putting people in prison for decades for using it.
    You seriously believe that people that use crack, or meth or heroin or cocaine (powder) should not be disciplined for breaking the law and causing chaos in society? Drug dealers and users of course.
    Of course they should be disciplined. The question we have is about what happens after someone makes a bad choice.

    These people will eventually rejoin society, will they be able to fit in once they get out?

    Harsh punishment does not stop crime. Locking nonviolent people up for decades around dangerous criminals will train and condition


    As I stated, chemical composition theory is not the same as the feen (fiend) that uses said drug. If you put them side by side and observe. If you haven't observed then.

    There is a reason why the 80's called it the rich mans drug. Crack cocaine is devastating.

    What's more devastating is putting people in prison for decades for using it.
    You seriously believe that people that use crack, or meth or heroin or cocaine (powder) should not be disciplined for breaking the law and causing chaos in society? Drug dealers and users of course.
    Of course they should be disciplined. The question we have is about what happens after someone makes a bad choice.

    These people will eventually rejoin society, will they be able to fit in once they get out?

    Harsh punishment does not stop crime. Locking nonviolent people up for decades around dangerous criminals will train and condition more criminals. What kind of person do you want to get out of jail, when their debt to society is over?

    American criminal justice system needs reform - less focus on punishment and more on rehabilitation. more criminals. What kind of person do you want to get out of jail, when their debt to society is over?

    American criminal justice system needs reform - less focus on punishment and more on rehabilitation.
    I wish that every country took a page out of Portugal's laws on drugs. The number of people incarcerated with up to a 10 day supply went down but I want to know the numbers on the crimes committed by people who need money to sustain their habit.
    The use of the drug and theft are two different crimes. The person SHOULD be punished for the theft.
    Alcoholics do NOT kill for their fix, drug fiends do.
    Well, now you will have to provide a study. As for numbers, heroin cocaine, and prescription opioids kill about 60,000 people per year. Alcohol kills 100,000. Tobacco 400,000. If EITHER were illegal, you would see a massive rise in violent crime.
  • MatthieuMatthieu Member Posts: 386
    edited May 2018
    Jean-Clauder Juncker will announced counter-measure against American tariffes on European steel.

    That was a quick answer.... welcome to a new era of trade war. Beamdog being a Canadian company will be likely spared sanctions.

    In French
    « L’Union européenne ne peut pas rester sans réagir. (…) Ce qu’ils peuvent faire, nous sommes capables de faire exactement la même chose. (…) Les Etats Unis ne nous laissent pas d’autre choix que de porter ce conflit devant l’Organisation mondiale du commerce [OMC] et d’imposer des droits de douane supplémentaires à un nombre de produits en provenance des USA. »
  • JoenSoJoenSo Member Posts: 910
    So here's a weird story. Russian journalist Arkady Babchenko was murdered in Kiev a few days ago. ...except he wasn't and showed up on the press conference about his own death. The Ukrainian security service claim they staged the murder to flush out the people who were actually planning to assassinate him, on orders from Russia.

    It's a weird and risky move of the Ukrainian security service that might well backfire. I have no doubt that Russia are perfectly willing to pay someone to kill Babchenko. But even if the Ukrainians were able to gather evidence and prove that, it might not change anything. Russia just shrugs at any evidence against them and denies the whole thing. And from now on, Russia can always just say "remember when they lied about Babchenko...?" when some journalist or ex-spy gets poisoned or shot in the back. Because that seems to be their tactic - not proving or disproving anything. Just plant that seed of doubt that makes you unsure what to believe. So, it's good if they were able to save Babchenko's life, but I still think it was a bad move to lie about the whole thing.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44307611
  • TakisMegasTakisMegas Member Posts: 835


    As I stated, chemical composition theory is not the same as the feen (fiend) that uses said drug. If you put them side by side and observe. If you haven't observed then.

    There is a reason why the 80's called it the rich mans drug. Crack cocaine is devastating.

    What's more devastating is putting people in prison for decades for using it.
    You seriously believe that people that use crack, or meth or heroin or cocaine (powder) should not be disciplined for breaking the law and causing chaos in society? Drug dealers and users of course.
    Of course they should be disciplined. The question we have is about what happens after someone makes a bad choice.

    These people will eventually rejoin society, will they be able to fit in once they get out?

    Harsh punishment does not stop crime. Locking nonviolent people up for decades around dangerous criminals will train and condition


    As I stated, chemical composition theory is not the same as the feen (fiend) that uses said drug. If you put them side by side and observe. If you haven't observed then.

    There is a reason why the 80's called it the rich mans drug. Crack cocaine is devastating.

    What's more devastating is putting people in prison for decades for using it.
    You seriously believe that people that use crack, or meth or heroin or cocaine (powder) should not be disciplined for breaking the law and causing chaos in society? Drug dealers and users of course.
    Of course they should be disciplined. The question we have is about what happens after someone makes a bad choice.

    These people will eventually rejoin society, will they be able to fit in once they get out?

    Harsh punishment does not stop crime. Locking nonviolent people up for decades around dangerous criminals will train and condition more criminals. What kind of person do you want to get out of jail, when their debt to society is over?

    American criminal justice system needs reform - less focus on punishment and more on rehabilitation. more criminals. What kind of person do you want to get out of jail, when their debt to society is over?

    American criminal justice system needs reform - less focus on punishment and more on rehabilitation.
    I wish that every country took a page out of Portugal's laws on drugs. The number of people incarcerated with up to a 10 day supply went down but I want to know the numbers on the crimes committed by people who need money to sustain their habit.
    The use of the drug and theft are two different crimes. The person SHOULD be punished for the theft.
    Alcoholics do NOT kill for their fix, drug fiends do.
    Well, now you will have to provide a study. As for numbers, heroin cocaine, and prescription opioids kill about 60,000 people per year. Alcohol kills 100,000. Tobacco 400,000. If EITHER were illegal, you would see a massive rise in violent crime.
    If it was a priority to legalize drugs, I'm sure Obama would have seen to this atrocity being committed to Black America. Right?

    Ahh, the political Ideologist.

  • semiticgoddesssemiticgoddess Member Posts: 14,903
    edited May 2018

    I hear lots of accusations about Clinton. The sources of the accusations are essentially always pundits and politicians rather than law enforcement officials or judges. In order to conclude that Clinton has committed a long list of crimes and yet multiple investigations have resulted in no indictments, you'd have to believe the entire law enforcement community itself was corrupt or massively incompetent.

    For Clinton accusations our good friend @GaelicVigil's provided us some that are mostly accurate, and he even provided us with enough specifics to research them and verify on our own.

    She did, without a doubt, lie in her testimony and in public statements on several occasions, but surprise surprise, Comey found reason not to take action. Flynn is charged with lying to the FBI, by the way.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/proved-perjury-charges-hillary-clinton/story?id=41451995

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/06/hillary-clinton/fbi-findings-tear-holes-hillary-clintons-email-def/

    As for 2, 3, 4 bribery, pay for play, illegal use of a nonprofit organization? There are some very, very shady payments that need to be accounted for before I dismiss these particular claims. Is the kingdom of Saudi Arabia really interested in charitable works, and decide to go do that through a channel that just so happens to gain political influence?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us/politics/hillary-clinton-presidential-campaign-charity.html

    I mean, if it were proven Trump were being paid millions by Russia through some company of his, there would be no convincing anyone here of his innocence.
    @Grond0 made an argument about the first source which also applies to the second source: the criminal standard requires intentional lying, not an accidentally wrong statement. Based on the law as it is (not the law we might want it to be), the action doesn't amount to an actual crime. A "False" rating by Politifact is not a criminal conviction, nor is it proof to merit one. It's not obvious to me that the statement is even all that severe as a non-criminal action, either; I don't see the concrete damage caused by it.

    What do we have from this? "Clinton exaggerated how secure her office was." Worthy of criticism; not worthy of a criminal conviction.

    As for the third, the notion of "pay for play" is, even to this day, long after the accusation was made, nothing more than speculation. No one has ever linked a foreign contribution to the foundation to an action by Clinton's State Department. In order for something to be "pay for play," there has to be a "play." There isn't. And that's not even factoring in the fact that the Clinton Foundation is a charitable organization started by the Clintons, and not a campaign fund or the Clintons' own pocket.

    What do we have from this? "Maybe something bad happened relating to this payment, but we don't know."

    As I've said for both Clinton and Trump: "A thousand vague insinuations do not amount to a fact."
  • TakisMegasTakisMegas Member Posts: 835
    JoenSo said:

    So here's a weird story. Russian journalist Arkady Babchenko was murdered in Kiev a few days ago. ...except he wasn't and showed up on the press conference about his own death. The Ukrainian security service claim they staged the murder to flush out the people who were actually planning to assassinate him, on orders from Russia.

    It's a weird and risky move of the Ukrainian security service that might well backfire. I have no doubt that Russia are perfectly willing to pay someone to kill Babchenko. But even if the Ukrainians were able to gather evidence and prove that, it might not change anything. Russia just shrugs at any evidence against them and denies the whole thing. And from now on, Russia can always just say "remember when they lied about Babchenko...?" when some journalist or ex-spy gets poisoned or shot in the back. Because that seems to be their tactic - not proving or disproving anything. Just plant that seed of doubt that makes you unsure what to believe. So, it's good if they were able to save Babchenko's life, but I still think it was a bad move to lie about the whole thing.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44307611

    This fool did it for the attention more than anything. He has literally dug his own grave with this stunt. Putin never forgets or forgives.
  • SharGuidesMyHandSharGuidesMyHand Member Posts: 2,584

    NO President in modern history has issued these kind of high-profile pardons so early in their term.

    NOT true - look at Jimmy Carter's pardon history.
  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 7,811


    As I stated, chemical composition theory is not the same as the feen (fiend) that uses said drug. If you put them side by side and observe. If you haven't observed then.

    There is a reason why the 80's called it the rich mans drug. Crack cocaine is devastating.

    What's more devastating is putting people in prison for decades for using it.
    You seriously believe that people that use crack, or meth or heroin or cocaine (powder) should not be disciplined for breaking the law and causing chaos in society? Drug dealers and users of course.
    Of course they should be disciplined. The question we have is about what happens after someone makes a bad choice.

    These people will eventually rejoin society, will they be able to fit in once they get out?

    Harsh punishment does not stop crime. Locking nonviolent people up for decades around dangerous criminals will train and condition


    As I stated, chemical composition theory is not the same as the feen (fiend) that uses said drug. If you put them side by side and observe. If you haven't observed then.

    There is a reason why the 80's called it the rich mans drug. Crack cocaine is devastating.

    What's more devastating is putting people in prison for decades for using it.
    You seriously believe that people that use crack, or meth or heroin or cocaine (powder) should not be disciplined for breaking the law and causing chaos in society? Drug dealers and users of course.
    Of course they should be disciplined. The question we have is about what happens after someone makes a bad choice.

    These people will eventually rejoin society, will they be able to fit in once they get out?

    Harsh punishment does not stop crime. Locking nonviolent people up for decades around dangerous criminals will train and condition more criminals. What kind of person do you want to get out of jail, when their debt to society is over?

    American criminal justice system needs reform - less focus on punishment and more on rehabilitation. more criminals. What kind of person do you want to get out of jail, when their debt to society is over?

    American criminal justice system needs reform - less focus on punishment and more on rehabilitation.
    I wish that every country took a page out of Portugal's laws on drugs. The number of people incarcerated with up to a 10 day supply went down but I want to know the numbers on the crimes committed by people who need money to sustain their habit.
    The use of the drug and theft are two different crimes. The person SHOULD be punished for the theft.
    Alcoholics do NOT kill for their fix, drug fiends do.
    This is a generic misconception and known fear tactic.

    I am hard pressed to find a single case that states an individual was killed because a person was looking for a “fix.”

    Most crimes associated with illegal drug trade is theft and prostitution.
  • TakisMegasTakisMegas Member Posts: 835
    Matthieu said:

    Jean-Clauder Juncker will announced counter-measure against American tariffes on European steel.

    That was a quick answer.... welcome to a new era of trade war. Beamdog being a Canadian company will be likely spared sanctions.

    In French
    « L’Union européenne ne peut pas rester sans réagir. (…) Ce qu’ils peuvent faire, nous sommes capables de faire exactement la même chose. (…) Les Etats Unis ne nous laissent pas d’autre choix que de porter ce conflit devant l’Organisation mondiale du commerce [OMC] et d’imposer des droits de douane supplémentaires à un nombre de produits en provenance des USA. »

    LOL this is the same guy that said he talks to leaders from another world.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXA0fOTgQYc

    Starts at 1:26

    I do not share political views or tin foil hats with the video maker.
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,964
    edited May 2018

    NO President in modern history has issued these kind of high-profile pardons so early in their term.

    NOT true - look at Jimmy Carter's pardon history.
    So Carter pardoned people who blatantly broke the laws and pardoned them because they were friends of his political party and fellow conspiracy nuts? Joe Arpaios policies led directly to deaths and multimillion dollar lawsuit settlements, Carter did something similar to that? Desouza was so blatant about funneling money to politicians that the politician herself got nervous, Carter did that huh? Yeah sorry doubtful about the false equivalency here.

    Besides even if it was true didn't your church or parents teach you that two wrongs don't make a right? "I killed him and his family because he hit me" is not an effective defense.
  • semiticgoddesssemiticgoddess Member Posts: 14,903
    Let's make sure we don't get personal in these arguments. We're here to share information; not to "win" debates.
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 12,235
    Grond0 said:

    ThacoBell said:

    I'm actually not talking about miscarriages. Those are horrible, tragic, accidents when something goes wrong. I'm talking about the viability check the human body does when the process starts. If its determined non viable, the body aborts the process.

    @ThacoBell I'm still not sure what you're advocating. If miscarriages are not relevant then are you suggesting that the point at which the embryo implants should determine when human rights are granted?
    Its a longer period than that. When the egg and sperm successfully fertilize, there is a period of time where the body actively evaluates how viable it is to survive gestation. If something goes wrong in that time period, the body actively aborts it. Last time I checked (admittedly a few years ago) it was theorized that about 50% of fertilized eggs get aborted on this manner. I don't recall the exact timeframe, but I think its reasonable to treat it as human life, if the body decides it to be so. I'll pull up something on it when I have time to do some research.
  • TakisMegasTakisMegas Member Posts: 835
    deltago said:




    As I stated, chemical composition theory is not the same as the feen (fiend) that uses said drug. If you put them side by side and observe. If you haven't observed then.

    There is a reason why the 80's called it the rich mans drug. Crack cocaine is devastating.

    What's more devastating is putting people in prison for decades for using it.
    You seriously believe that people that use crack, or meth or heroin or cocaine (powder) should not be disciplined for breaking the law and causing chaos in society? Drug dealers and users of course.
    Of course they should be disciplined. The question we have is about what happens after someone makes a bad choice.

    These people will eventually rejoin society, will they be able to fit in once they get out?

    Harsh punishment does not stop crime. Locking nonviolent people up for decades around dangerous criminals will train and condition


    As I stated, chemical composition theory is not the same as the feen (fiend) that uses said drug. If you put them side by side and observe. If you haven't observed then.

    There is a reason why the 80's called it the rich mans drug. Crack cocaine is devastating.

    What's more devastating is putting people in prison for decades for using it.
    You seriously believe that people that use crack, or meth or heroin or cocaine (powder) should not be disciplined for breaking the law and causing chaos in society? Drug dealers and users of course.
    Of course they should be disciplined. The question we have is about what happens after someone makes a bad choice.

    These people will eventually rejoin society, will they be able to fit in once they get out?

    Harsh punishment does not stop crime. Locking nonviolent people up for decades around dangerous criminals will train and condition more criminals. What kind of person do you want to get out of jail, when their debt to society is over?

    American criminal justice system needs reform - less focus on punishment and more on rehabilitation. more criminals. What kind of person do you want to get out of jail, when their debt to society is over?

    American criminal justice system needs reform - less focus on punishment and more on rehabilitation.
    I wish that every country took a page out of Portugal's laws on drugs. The number of people incarcerated with up to a 10 day supply went down but I want to know the numbers on the crimes committed by people who need money to sustain their habit.
    The use of the drug and theft are two different crimes. The person SHOULD be punished for the theft.
    Alcoholics do NOT kill for their fix, drug fiends do.
    This is a generic misconception and known fear tactic.

    I am hard pressed to find a single case that states an individual was killed because a person was looking for a “fix.”

    Most crimes associated with illegal drug trade is theft and prostitution.
    I am not trying to place fear in anyone. Then why don't we all volunteer in a social experiment. We all walk into police known crack areas/houses with our everyday clothing. Make sure to put on your Yeezys if you own a pair. Then we all come back, those that survive, and share our experiences.
  • TakisMegasTakisMegas Member Posts: 835

    This is unacceptable. Using a word that civilized societies are trying to erase. Also this should be a case study of what happens to moderate Canadians when they throw their hat into the cesspool called American politics.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEACcOneiX8
  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 7,811
    edited May 2018

    deltago said:




    As I stated, chemical composition theory is not the same as the feen (fiend) that uses said drug. If you put them side by side and observe. If you haven't observed then.

    There is a reason why the 80's called it the rich mans drug. Crack cocaine is devastating.

    What's more devastating is putting people in prison for decades for using it.
    You seriously believe that people that use crack, or meth or heroin or cocaine (powder) should not be disciplined for breaking the law and causing chaos in society? Drug dealers and users of course.
    Of course they should be disciplined. The question we have is about what happens after someone makes a bad choice.

    These people will eventually rejoin society, will they be able to fit in once they get out?

    Harsh punishment does not stop crime. Locking nonviolent people up for decades around dangerous criminals will train and condition


    As I stated, chemical composition theory is not the same as the feen (fiend) that uses said drug. If you put them side by side and observe. If you haven't observed then.

    There is a reason why the 80's called it the rich mans drug. Crack cocaine is devastating.

    What's more devastating is putting people in prison for decades for using it.
    You seriously believe that people that use crack, or meth or heroin or cocaine (powder) should not be disciplined for breaking the law and causing chaos in society? Drug dealers and users of course.
    Of course they should be disciplined. The question we have is about what happens after someone makes a bad choice.

    These people will eventually rejoin society, will they be able to fit in once they get out?

    Harsh punishment does not stop crime. Locking nonviolent people up for decades around dangerous criminals will train and condition more criminals. What kind of person do you want to get out of jail, when their debt to society is over?

    American criminal justice system needs reform - less focus on punishment and more on rehabilitation. more criminals. What kind of person do you want to get out of jail, when their debt to society is over?

    American criminal justice system needs reform - less focus on punishment and more on rehabilitation.
    I wish that every country took a page out of Portugal's laws on drugs. The number of people incarcerated with up to a 10 day supply went down but I want to know the numbers on the crimes committed by people who need money to sustain their habit.
    The use of the drug and theft are two different crimes. The person SHOULD be punished for the theft.
    Alcoholics do NOT kill for their fix, drug fiends do.
    This is a generic misconception and known fear tactic.

    I am hard pressed to find a single case that states an individual was killed because a person was looking for a “fix.”

    Most crimes associated with illegal drug trade is theft and prostitution.
    I am not trying to place fear in anyone. Then why don't we all volunteer in a social experiment. We all walk into police known crack areas/houses with our everyday clothing. Make sure to put on your Yeezys if you own a pair. Then we all come back, those that survive, and share our experiences.
    I am guessing you personally do not know any one who is addicted to drugs or have personally dealt with people under the influence.

    And once again, all I am asking is one news story that states a person was killed because a known drug user was looking for a fix. I personally could not find any.
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,964


    This is unacceptable. Using a word that civilized societies are trying to erase. Also this should be a case study of what happens to moderate Canadians when they throw their hat into the cesspool called American politics.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEACcOneiX8

    Agreed. While that word is more like "jerk" or "a-hole" it's unacceptable. She should be fired to or at least this should be her first warning towards firing. God know Rosanne had plenty of chances.
  • fluke13fluke13 Member Posts: 399
    edited May 2018
    25% tariff on UK steel... Are you joking Trump? We're supposed to be looking at future trade agreements. This opens up the whole free trade vs fair trade vs protectionism debates.

    Personally, I think the right approach is to start with a default of free trade... If a country of similar quality and labour like the UK can make steel and transport it all the way to USA for cheaper than American steel plants, then something has gone seriously wrong at the USA steel plant. The only exception, I think, is where the steel, or anything else, has been produced by "cheating" i.e. poor quality methods, dangerous health and safety, unfit working conditions or unfair salaries ... In that case a modest tariff should be made to equalise the playing field.

    In other news, I think one of the big reasons Trump and Merkel don't get on, is that Merkel was by far the most sympathetic leader for Syrian immigration, opening the doors to Germany. Trump meanwhile was going ballistic, thinking that he can ban every Muslim country and yet a terrorist with a German passport can't be denied entry. Just to clarify, Im not saying I agree, simply that is how I think they both see things... Virtually the opposite.
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 9,850
    edited May 2018
    For the record, this is the real story behind "political prisoner" Dinesh D'Souza. Who willfully and purposefully broke campaign finance laws. But when he got caught, also saw THAT as an opportunity to make himself a right-wing martyr. Keep in mind, this asshole plead guilty, even though as a wealthy man he had far more access to a high-powered attorney than say, a person picked up on a drug charge handed off to an overworked public defender who simply tells people to plead out so they can keep their head above water:

    In 2012, D’Souza and his wife made a $10,000 contribution — $5,000 each, the legal limit — to Long. He then urged his assistant, Tyler Vawser, and a woman described as his lover, Denise Odie Joseph, to make $10,000 contributions in their and their spouses’ names. D’Souza eventually admitted, when pleading guilty, that Vawser and Joseph made the contributions with the understanding that they’d be paid back by D’Souza. (Joseph actually made a $15,000 contribution, $5,000 of which was returned by the campaign.)

    Among the evidence prosecutors had was a secret recording Joseph’s husband made of Joseph telling him months before D’Souza was arrested that, if caught, D’Souza might eventually plead guilty.

    However, D’Souza would first plead not guilty, Joseph told her husband, to provide “a window of opportunity to get his story out there,” according to the prosecutors.

    As the case proceeded, there was some confusion about D’Souza’s relationship status with both women involved. D’Souza’s affair with Joseph had first been reported by the Christian magazine World in 2012, which caught D’Souza — then the president of a Christian college — checking into a hotel with Joseph. He said at the time that Joseph was his fiancée and that he “had no idea that it is considered wrong in Christian circles to be engaged prior to being divorced.” Prosecutors, however continued to describe Joseph as a “woman with whom D’Souza was romantically involved” and the other woman as his wife. D’Souza, after the charges were brought in 2014, declined to clarify whether he was married to either woman.

    Dixie D’Souza would eventually write a letter to the court that said Dinesh D’Souza had a “flawed character and lack of truthfulness.”

    In the pretrial proceedings, D’Souza’s lawyers claimed that he was the target of prosecutors “because of his consistently caustic and highly publicized criticism” of President Obama. D’Souza had become a cult hero among the far-right for his anti-Obama books and films. One of his biggest cheerleaders when the charges were brought was Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), then a rising Tea Party star, who also on Thursday celebrated Trump’s pardon announcement.

    D’Souza himself, in a 2014 interview with Sean Hannity, floated the idea that the charges were “kind of payback” for the anti-Obama film D’Souza made, which he claimed “seem[ed] to have gotten under President Obama’s skin.”

    The prosecutors, led by then-Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara, denied the allegations of political bias, and told the court that D’Souza was “exploiting” his criticisms of Obama in a “baseless attempt to avoid criminal prosecution.”

    U.S. District Judge Richard Berman sided with the prosecutors in the pretrial dispute, with the judge later calling D’Souza’s claims “nonsense”.

    D’Souza’s guilty plea came unexpectedly in March 2014, on the same day trial was set to start.

    “I knew that causing a campaign contribution to be made in the name of another was wrong and something the law forbids,” he said at his plea hearing.

    He was sentenced to eight months in a community confinement center, five years probation and a $30,000 fine.


    Yeah, this guy is a regular f*****g Nelson Mandela. We should probably declare a national holiday in his honor while we're at it. Maybe throw a parade.
  • TakisMegasTakisMegas Member Posts: 835
    deltago said:

    deltago said:




    As I stated, chemical composition theory is not the same as the feen (fiend) that uses said drug. If you put them side by side and observe. If you haven't observed then.

    There is a reason why the 80's called it the rich mans drug. Crack cocaine is devastating.

    What's more devastating is putting people in prison for decades for using it.
    You seriously believe that people that use crack, or meth or heroin or cocaine (powder) should not be disciplined for breaking the law and causing chaos in society? Drug dealers and users of course.
    Of course they should be disciplined. The question we have is about what happens after someone makes a bad choice.

    These people will eventually rejoin society, will they be able to fit in once they get out?

    Harsh punishment does not stop crime. Locking nonviolent people up for decades around dangerous criminals will train and condition


    As I stated, chemical composition theory is not the same as the feen (fiend) that uses said drug. If you put them side by side and observe. If you haven't observed then.

    There is a reason why the 80's called it the rich mans drug. Crack cocaine is devastating.

    What's more devastating is putting people in prison for decades for using it.
    You seriously believe that people that use crack, or meth or heroin or cocaine (powder) should not be disciplined for breaking the law and causing chaos in society? Drug dealers and users of course.
    Of course they should be disciplined. The question we have is about what happens after someone makes a bad choice.

    These people will eventually rejoin society, will they be able to fit in once they get out?

    Harsh punishment does not stop crime. Locking nonviolent people up for decades around dangerous criminals will train and condition more criminals. What kind of person do you want to get out of jail, when their debt to society is over?

    American criminal justice system needs reform - less focus on punishment and more on rehabilitation. more criminals. What kind of person do you want to get out of jail, when their debt to society is over?

    American criminal justice system needs reform - less focus on punishment and more on rehabilitation.
    I wish that every country took a page out of Portugal's laws on drugs. The number of people incarcerated with up to a 10 day supply went down but I want to know the numbers on the crimes committed by people who need money to sustain their habit.
    The use of the drug and theft are two different crimes. The person SHOULD be punished for the theft.
    Alcoholics do NOT kill for their fix, drug fiends do.
    This is a generic misconception and known fear tactic.

    I am hard pressed to find a single case that states an individual was killed because a person was looking for a “fix.”

    Most crimes associated with illegal drug trade is theft and prostitution.
    I am not trying to place fear in anyone. Then why don't we all volunteer in a social experiment. We all walk into police known crack areas/houses with our everyday clothing. Make sure to put on your Yeezys if you own a pair. Then we all come back, those that survive, and share our experiences.
    I am guessing you personally do not know any one who is addicted to drugs or have personally dealt with people under the influence.

    And once again, all I am asking is one news story that states a person was killed because a known drug user was looking for a fix. I personally could not find any.
    I deal with people every day that are affected. I work for the Children's aid society of Toronto/ Boost CYAC. I also volunteer at several drug rehab centers in the city. I do not LARP as a social justice warrior, I am one.

    It all started years ago when Prime Minister of Canada Stephen Harper and his Conservatives made a law that did not allow people from European countries to claim asylum in Canada. This law affected the Roma communities in Europe. Today I am the father of two beautiful Roma boys from Slovakia. Thanks to the Liberal government they received Canadian citizenship this year.

    EVERYDAY I see the destruction of drugs on people, even when I have to go out and take a child from their parents. Three months ago a colleague of mine was called out to a government housing unit to collect a child. The older brother had attempted to kill his mother for money, he needed it for drugs. The little guy is doing Ok.

    So that is one of my personal case studies. Never assume you know someone. If you live in the Toronto area I would be more than happy to 'hook you up' with some volunteer work with the above stated organizations.

  • TStaelTStael Member Posts: 861
    I suggest checking #hometovote #together4yes #farmers4yes to feel good about civil society.

    To this day and age, it works.
  • TakisMegasTakisMegas Member Posts: 835


    This is unacceptable. Using a word that civilized societies are trying to erase. Also this should be a case study of what happens to moderate Canadians when they throw their hat into the cesspool called American politics.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEACcOneiX8

    Agreed. While that word is more like "jerk" or "a-hole" it's unacceptable. She should be fired to or at least this should be her first warning towards firing. God know Rosanne had plenty of chances.
    It's not the first time she has used that word. Also, her saying that Ivanka should put on something tight and revealing to talk to her father should not sit well with anyone.
  • SharGuidesMyHandSharGuidesMyHand Member Posts: 2,584

    NO President in modern history has issued these kind of high-profile pardons so early in their term.

    NOT true - look at Jimmy Carter's pardon history.
    So Carter pardoned people who blatantly broke the laws and pardoned them because they were friends of his political party and fellow conspiracy nuts? Joe Arpaios policies led directly to deaths and multimillion dollar lawsuit settlements, Carter did something similar to that? Desouza was so blatant about funneling money to politicians that the politician herself got nervous, Carter did that huh? Yeah sorry doubtful about the false equivalency here.
    Yes, Carter (and numerous other prezzes - probably the majority, in fact) pardoned people for political reasons, some of whom were indeed quite vile.

    Besides even if it was true didn't your church or parents teach you that two wrongs don't make a right?

    No, they taught me that what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

    Though again, it was you who made the initial comparison of "NO President in modern history ..." to which I'm responding in the first place.

  • SharGuidesMyHandSharGuidesMyHand Member Posts: 2,584


    This is unacceptable. Using a word that civilized societies are trying to erase. Also this should be a case study of what happens to moderate Canadians when they throw their hat into the cesspool called American politics.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEACcOneiX8

    Agreed. While that word is more like "jerk" or "a-hole" it's unacceptable. She should be fired to or at least this should be her first warning towards firing. God know Rosanne had plenty of chances.
    It's not the first time she has used that word. Also, her saying that Ivanka should put on something tight and revealing to talk to her father should not sit well with anyone.
    She's made any number of statements for which she could/should be fired (i.e.: when she said white people were the cause of all the problems in the US), but like Michelle Wolf, those kind of statements actually make you "a brave, independent voice" deserving of a whole new show when directed at certain targets on the political spectrum.
  • TakisMegasTakisMegas Member Posts: 835


    This is unacceptable. Using a word that civilized societies are trying to erase. Also this should be a case study of what happens to moderate Canadians when they throw their hat into the cesspool called American politics.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEACcOneiX8

    Agreed. While that word is more like "jerk" or "a-hole" it's unacceptable. She should be fired to or at least this should be her first warning towards firing. God know Rosanne had plenty of chances.
    It's not the first time she has used that word. Also, her saying that Ivanka should put on something tight and revealing to talk to her father should not sit well with anyone.
    She's made any number of statements for which she could/should be fired (i.e.: when she said white people were the cause of all the problems in the US), but like Michelle Wolf, those kind of statements actually make you "a brave, independent voice" deserving of a whole new show when directed at certain targets on the political spectrum.
    I don't understand it though. Liberals in the U.S. continually make racist or bigoted remarks yet they scream from the roof tops they are against racism and bigotry.
  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 7,811


    deltago said:

    deltago said:




    As I stated, chemical composition theory is not the same as the feen (fiend) that uses said drug. If you put them side by side and observe. If you haven't observed then.

    There is a reason why the 80's called it the rich mans drug. Crack cocaine is devastating.

    What's more devastating is putting people in prison for decades for using it.
    You seriously believe that people that use crack, or meth or heroin or cocaine (powder) should not be disciplined for breaking the law and causing chaos in society? Drug dealers and users of course.
    Of course they should be disciplined. The question we have is about what happens after someone makes a bad choice.

    These people will eventually rejoin society, will they be able to fit in once they get out?

    Harsh punishment does not stop crime. Locking nonviolent people up for decades around dangerous criminals will train and condition


    As I stated, chemical composition theory is not the same as the feen (fiend) that uses said drug. If you put them side by side and observe. If you haven't observed then.

    There is a reason why the 80's called it the rich mans drug. Crack cocaine is devastating.

    What's more devastating is putting people in prison for decades for using it.
    You seriously believe that people that use crack, or meth or heroin or cocaine (powder) should not be disciplined for breaking the law and causing chaos in society? Drug dealers and users of course.
    Of course they should be disciplined. The question we have is about what happens after someone makes a bad choice.

    These people will eventually rejoin society, will they be able to fit in once they get out?

    Harsh punishment does not stop crime. Locking nonviolent people up for decades around dangerous criminals will train and condition more criminals. What kind of person do you want to get out of jail, when their debt to society is over?

    American criminal justice system needs reform - less focus on punishment and more on rehabilitation. more criminals. What kind of person do you want to get out of jail, when their debt to society is over?

    American criminal justice system needs reform - less focus on punishment and more on rehabilitation.
    I wish that every country took a page out of Portugal's laws on drugs. The number of people incarcerated with up to a 10 day supply went down but I want to know the numbers on the crimes committed by people who need money to sustain their habit.
    The use of the drug and theft are two different crimes. The person SHOULD be punished for the theft.
    Alcoholics do NOT kill for their fix, drug fiends do.
    This is a generic misconception and known fear tactic.

    I am hard pressed to find a single case that states an individual was killed because a person was looking for a “fix.”

    Most crimes associated with illegal drug trade is theft and prostitution.
    I am not trying to place fear in anyone. Then why don't we all volunteer in a social experiment. We all walk into police known crack areas/houses with our everyday clothing. Make sure to put on your Yeezys if you own a pair. Then we all come back, those that survive, and share our experiences.
    I am guessing you personally do not know any one who is addicted to drugs or have personally dealt with people under the influence.

    And once again, all I am asking is one news story that states a person was killed because a known drug user was looking for a fix. I personally could not find any.
    I deal with people every day that are affected. I work for the Children's aid society of Toronto/ Boost CYAC. I also volunteer at several drug rehab centers in the city. I do not LARP as a social justice warrior, I am one.

    It all started years ago when Prime Minister of Canada Stephen Harper and his Conservatives made a law that did not allow people from European countries to claim asylum in Canada. This law affected the Roma communities in Europe. Today I am the father of two beautiful Roma boys from Slovakia. Thanks to the Liberal government they received Canadian citizenship this year.

    EVERYDAY I see the destruction of drugs on people, even when I have to go out and take a child from their parents. Three months ago a colleague of mine was called out to a government housing unit to collect a child. The older brother had attempted to kill his mother for money, he needed it for drugs. The little guy is doing Ok.

    So that is one of my personal case studies. Never assume you know someone. If you live in the Toronto area I would be more than happy to 'hook you up' with some volunteer work with the above stated organizations.

    Great, so you personally should know that the great majority of your cases do not involve homicide due to someone needing a fix and that violence in the household is not equated squarely on drug usage.

    One exadurated anicodote about an alleged attempted murder does not equate “drug users murdering people for a fix.”

    I agree, drug use and addiction does cause a lot of destruction in someone’s life, but as jjstraka mentioned so does things like alcohol and just being in possession of a drug like crack should not equate to lengthy prison sentences that the U.S. sees.
  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 7,811


    This is unacceptable. Using a word that civilized societies are trying to erase. Also this should be a case study of what happens to moderate Canadians when they throw their hat into the cesspool called American politics.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEACcOneiX8

    Agreed. While that word is more like "jerk" or "a-hole" it's unacceptable. She should be fired to or at least this should be her first warning towards firing. God know Rosanne had plenty of chances.
    It's not the first time she has used that word. Also, her saying that Ivanka should put on something tight and revealing to talk to her father should not sit well with anyone.
    That statement is an off shoot from Trump himself appearing in the Howard Stern show saying she’s hot, and I’d date her remarks.

    If it is unacceptable for Samantha Bee to joke about it, how appropriate is it for her own father to say it? That is where this line of joke is coming from and what it is suppose to repersent, that Trump has said this about his own daughter.

    https://www.people.com/politics/Howard-stern-donald-trump-ivanka-a-10/
  • TakisMegasTakisMegas Member Posts: 835
    edited May 2018
    deltago said:


    deltago said:

    deltago said:




    As I stated, chemical composition theory is not the same as the feen (fiend) that uses said drug. If you put them side by side and observe. If you haven't observed then.

    There is a reason why the 80's called it the rich mans drug. Crack cocaine is devastating.

    What's more devastating is putting people in prison for decades for using it.
    You seriously believe that people that use crack, or meth or heroin or cocaine (powder) should not be disciplined for breaking the law and causing chaos in society? Drug dealers and users of course.
    Of course they should be disciplined. The question we have is about what happens after someone makes a bad choice.

    These people will eventually rejoin society, will they be able to fit in once they get out?

    Harsh punishment does not stop crime. Locking nonviolent people up for decades around dangerous criminals will train and condition


    As I stated, chemical composition theory is not the same as the feen (fiend) that uses said drug. If you put them side by side and observe. If you haven't observed then.

    There is a reason why the 80's called it the rich mans drug. Crack cocaine is devastating.

    What's more devastating is putting people in prison for decades for using it.
    You seriously believe that people that use crack, or meth or heroin or cocaine (powder) should not be disciplined for breaking the law and causing chaos in society? Drug dealers and users of course.
    Of course they should be disciplined. The question we have is about what happens after someone makes a bad choice.

    These people will eventually rejoin society, will they be able to fit in once they get out?

    Harsh punishment does not stop crime. Locking nonviolent people up for decades around dangerous criminals will train and condition more criminals. What kind of person do you want to get out of jail, when their debt to society is over?

    American criminal justice system needs reform - less focus on punishment and more on rehabilitation. more criminals. What kind of person do you want to get out of jail, when their debt to society is over?

    American criminal justice system needs reform - less focus on punishment and more on rehabilitation.
    I wish that every country took a page out of Portugal's laws on drugs. The number of people incarcerated with up to a 10 day supply went down but I want to know the numbers on the crimes committed by people who need money to sustain their habit.
    The use of the drug and theft are two different crimes. The person SHOULD be punished for the theft.
    Alcoholics do NOT kill for their fix, drug fiends do.
    This is a generic misconception and known fear tactic.

    I am hard pressed to find a single case that states an individual was killed because a person was looking for a “fix.”

    Most crimes associated with illegal drug trade is theft and prostitution.
    I am not trying to place fear in anyone. Then why don't we all volunteer in a social experiment. We all walk into police known crack areas/houses with our everyday clothing. Make sure to put on your Yeezys if you own a pair. Then we all come back, those that survive, and share our experiences.
    I am guessing you personally do not know any one who is addicted to drugs or have personally dealt with people under the influence.

    And once again, all I am asking is one news story that states a person was killed because a known drug user was looking for a fix. I personally could not find any.
    I deal with people every day that are affected. I work for the Children's aid society of Toronto/ Boost CYAC. I also volunteer at several drug rehab centers in the city. I do not LARP as a social justice warrior, I am one.

    It all started years ago when Prime Minister of Canada Stephen Harper and his Conservatives made a law that did not allow people from European countries to claim asylum in Canada. This law affected the Roma communities in Europe. Today I am the father of two beautiful Roma boys from Slovakia. Thanks to the Liberal government they received Canadian citizenship this year.

    EVERYDAY I see the destruction of drugs on people, even when I have to go out and take a child from their parents. Three months ago a colleague of mine was called out to a government housing unit to collect a child. The older brother had attempted to kill his mother for money, he needed it for drugs. The little guy is doing Ok.

    So that is one of my personal case studies. Never assume you know someone. If you live in the Toronto area I would be more than happy to 'hook you up' with some volunteer work with the above stated organizations.

    Great, so you personally should know that the great majority of your cases do not involve homicide due to someone needing a fix and that violence in the household is not equated squarely on drug usage.

    One exadurated anicodote about an alleged attempted murder does not equate “drug users murdering people for a fix.”

    I agree, drug use and addiction does cause a lot of destruction in someone’s life, but as jjstraka mentioned so does things like alcohol and just being in possession of a drug like crack should not equate to lengthy prison sentences that the U.S. sees.
    "exaggerated anecdote", really? Calling me a liar, coming from an astute member of this forum is a compliment I guess. I will not entertain this discussion further until you take me up on my offer. I'll keep trying to change the world while you think of ways to insult people over the internet.

    By the way (sharing again) I made some porn flix while I lived in Vancouver years ago... Mine is definitely bigger.


    **Edit** If you do take me up on my offer I will show you case files with the info you seek.
  • TakisMegasTakisMegas Member Posts: 835
    deltago said:


    This is unacceptable. Using a word that civilized societies are trying to erase. Also this should be a case study of what happens to moderate Canadians when they throw their hat into the cesspool called American politics.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEACcOneiX8

    Agreed. While that word is more like "jerk" or "a-hole" it's unacceptable. She should be fired to or at least this should be her first warning towards firing. God know Rosanne had plenty of chances.
    It's not the first time she has used that word. Also, her saying that Ivanka should put on something tight and revealing to talk to her father should not sit well with anyone.
    That statement is an off shoot from Trump himself appearing in the Howard Stern show saying she’s hot, and I’d date her remarks.

    If it is unacceptable for Samantha Bee to joke about it, how appropriate is it for her own father to say it? That is where this line of joke is coming from and what it is suppose to repersent, that Trump has said this about his own daughter.

    https://www.people.com/politics/Howard-stern-donald-trump-ivanka-a-10/
    So I guess your saying if one sick and deranged degenerate says something inappropriate, it's ok for another sick and deranged degenerate to say something inappropriate?
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