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  • BlackbɨrdBlackbɨrd Member Posts: 265
    ThacoBell wrote: »
    Blackbɨrd wrote: »
    megamike15 wrote: »
    Blackbɨrd wrote: »
    Charname is a whiny brat.

    only if you play them that way.

    Yes, I do play them that way.

    Wouldn't that make you a whiny brat then? Since its you making the choices?

    If I play Charname as a murderer does that make me a murderer? If I play a mage and choose a certain spell (let's say magic missile) because I made that choice does that mean I'm capable of actually doing spells and casting magic missile in real life?

    Don't be preposterous.

    Wise_GrimwaldAngulimala
  • BlackbɨrdBlackbɨrd Member Posts: 265
    megamike15 wrote: »
    Blackbɨrd wrote: »
    @Blackbɨrd
    Charname is whatever YOU make him/her so all you have to do to fix that problem is play Charname differently.

    I think that Charname is a ''whiny brat'' by default. By definition a brat is ''typically one that is badly behaved'', ''a person that always gets what they want and the rules are bent in their favor'' and is spoiled/obnoxius.


    It is clear Charname is a ''brat'' by default as they don't like/oppose having to share their soul with Jon Irenicus (similar to a child not wanting to share a toy), can't accept that Imoen commited an illegal magical crime and was right to be imprisoned, instead going on some glory misson to ''save her'' instead of just dealing with the proper authorties (cowled wizards) among other actions.

    jon was int sharing your soul he takes it and then was leaving you to die. wanting revenge on someone for not only killing your friends but also leaving you for dead is not being brat.

    and the way you describe charname makes it seem they are a teenager when they are in their early 20's.

    Perhaps charname has the maturity of a teenager? :D:p

  • BlackbɨrdBlackbɨrd Member Posts: 265
    bob_veng wrote: »
    Blackbɨrd wrote: »
    @Blackbɨrd
    Charname is whatever YOU make him/her so all you have to do to fix that problem is play Charname differently.

    I think that Charname is a ''whiny brat'' by default. By definition a brat is ''typically one that is badly behaved'', ''a person that always gets what they want and the rules are bent in their favor'' and is spoiled/obnoxius.


    It is clear Charname is a ''brat'' by default as they don't like/oppose having to share their soul with Jon Irenicus (similar to a child not wanting to share a toy), can't accept that Imoen commited an illegal magical crime and was right to be imprisoned, instead going on some glory misson to ''save her'' instead of just dealing with the proper authorties (cowled wizards) among other actions.

    that's not how the story goes. i'd ask you if you had even played the game, but suspecting you had, i won't ask you anything but rather make a certain conclusion, which i'll keep to myself.

    I mean it's very obvious that is not how the story goes at all, it's almost as if I was being sarcastic and making a joke the entire time...

    JoKinG?! No, it can't be.. such a thing does not exist!! Especially on the Beamdog forums!!

  • semiticgodsemiticgod Member Posts: 14,519
    It's more or less standard these days to use the sarcasm tag, /sarcasm or /s, at the end of sarcastic comments.

    Online comments have no tone of voice, no inflection, and no body language. This means sarcasm is virtually indistinguishable from a silly or trolling statement. This is especially true in a thread called "Unpopular opinions." This specific discussion is the one place on this forum where a sarcastic comment would be the most likely to be taken seriously--the entire purpose of the discussion is to post opinions that most people would disagree with.

    The sarcasm tag prevents this from happening. Otherwise you accept the risk of people thinking you're being serious. It only takes two buttons to input.

    StummvonBordwehrmegamike15
  • BlackbɨrdBlackbɨrd Member Posts: 265
    semiticgod wrote: »
    It's more or less standard these days to use the sarcasm tag, /sarcasm or /s, at the end of sarcastic comments.

    Online comments have no tone of voice, no inflection, and no body language. This means sarcasm is virtually indistinguishable from a silly or trolling statement. This is especially true in a thread called "Unpopular opinions." This specific discussion is the one place on this forum where a sarcastic comment would be the most likely to be taken seriously--the entire purpose of the discussion is to post opinions that most people would disagree with.

    The sarcasm tag prevents this from happening. Otherwise you accept the risk of people thinking you're being serious. It only takes two buttons to input.

    The use of /s ruins the joke/use of sarcasm, almost always.

    ''The entire purpose of the discussion is to post opinions that most people would disagree with'', Well my original comment did prove to be very unpopular, so I am contributing to the unpopular opinion thread. Albeit with not my own opinion but with a potential opinion, which anyone could have.

    BlackravenIsewein
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 11,919
    Blackbɨrd wrote: »
    bob_veng wrote: »
    Blackbɨrd wrote: »
    @Blackbɨrd
    Charname is whatever YOU make him/her so all you have to do to fix that problem is play Charname differently.

    I think that Charname is a ''whiny brat'' by default. By definition a brat is ''typically one that is badly behaved'', ''a person that always gets what they want and the rules are bent in their favor'' and is spoiled/obnoxius.


    It is clear Charname is a ''brat'' by default as they don't like/oppose having to share their soul with Jon Irenicus (similar to a child not wanting to share a toy), can't accept that Imoen commited an illegal magical crime and was right to be imprisoned, instead going on some glory misson to ''save her'' instead of just dealing with the proper authorties (cowled wizards) among other actions.

    that's not how the story goes. i'd ask you if you had even played the game, but suspecting you had, i won't ask you anything but rather make a certain conclusion, which i'll keep to myself.

    I mean it's very obvious that is not how the story goes at all, it's almost as if I was being sarcastic and making a joke the entire time...

    JoKinG?! No, it can't be.. such a thing does not exist!! Especially on the Beamdog forums!!

    Seems liek justification after the fact. If it was a joke the whole time, you would have copped to it in the first response, rather than drag it out. Besides, acting like a whiny teenager, and equating it to being a murder is so not equivalent.

    megamike15Buttercheese
  • StromaelStromael Member Posts: 194
    edited December 2019
    @semiticgod that's not even unpopular, get out of here!

    EDIT (rephrased as unpopular opinion): definitely not writing that mage nutcracker recipe down.

    Blackravensemiticgod
  • ButtercheeseButtercheese Member Posts: 3,769
    semiticgod wrote: »
    Hm. Maybe we should just drop it before it gets into a weird semantic argument.

    Semanticgod?

  • KamigoroshiKamigoroshi Member Posts: 5,870
    edited December 2019
    jastey wrote: »
    @Kamigoroshi This might be a start?
    The name looks promising at the very least. Didn't know @subtledoctor had ever worked on a mod that kills off Imoen. Would love to see it eventually completed. :)

    jastey
  • jasteyjastey Member Posts: 1,788
    edited December 2019
    @Kamigoroshi The mod was made by me by @subtledoctor 's design. :) It is completed in itself*: Depending on choice of (hopefully not immersion breaking) reply options, Imoen will survive Spellhold - or not.
    *Well, ok, I was too lazy writing a readme.

    AciferKamigoroshiMirandelWise_Grimwald
  • BlackbɨrdBlackbɨrd Member Posts: 265
    ThacoBell wrote: »
    Blackbɨrd wrote: »
    bob_veng wrote: »
    Blackbɨrd wrote: »
    @Blackbɨrd
    Charname is whatever YOU make him/her so all you have to do to fix that problem is play Charname differently.

    I think that Charname is a ''whiny brat'' by default. By definition a brat is ''typically one that is badly behaved'', ''a person that always gets what they want and the rules are bent in their favor'' and is spoiled/obnoxius.


    It is clear Charname is a ''brat'' by default as they don't like/oppose having to share their soul with Jon Irenicus (similar to a child not wanting to share a toy), can't accept that Imoen commited an illegal magical crime and was right to be imprisoned, instead going on some glory misson to ''save her'' instead of just dealing with the proper authorties (cowled wizards) among other actions.

    that's not how the story goes. i'd ask you if you had even played the game, but suspecting you had, i won't ask you anything but rather make a certain conclusion, which i'll keep to myself.

    I mean it's very obvious that is not how the story goes at all, it's almost as if I was being sarcastic and making a joke the entire time...

    JoKinG?! No, it can't be.. such a thing does not exist!! Especially on the Beamdog forums!!

    Seems liek justification after the fact. If it was a joke the whole time, you would have copped to it in the first response, rather than drag it out. Besides, acting like a whiny teenager, and equating it to being a murder is so not equivalent.

    Only from your perspective, also the use of ''seems'' is a giveaway that you are not fully sure of whether or not it truly is ''justification after the fact''.

    Would I really have ''copped'' the joke in the first response? I didn't know there was only one way/line of thinking, it's almost as if you and I think differently. Fascinating.


    Okay let's use another example then, I could potentially play Charname as a: mentally ill person, someone with social anxiety, a drunkard, someone with an attitude problem (let's say being self centred and thinking everything revolves around them), a very rude and unpleasent person or a ''whiny brat''.


    Would playing and making choices for Charname in a certain way, make me like how I am playing Charname in real life like you suggested/asked previously? No, of course not.

  • Permidion_StarkPermidion_Stark Member Posts: 4,606
    jastey wrote: »
    On topic: I don't like Imoen's BGII portrait. It looks rediculous and not like Imoen at all. When I played BGII the first time and Imoen opened the PC's cage, I was convinced she's a Doppelganger. Blew my immersion a little when I finally understood that it's supposed to be her, because it fealt like I was expected to go rescue the Doppelganger. :D

    I've never managed to find an image of Imoen that I really do like. BG1 Imoen looks too wordly, BG2 Imoen looks so miserable, SoD Imoen has grown on me a bit - but that's not saying much because I hated the picture with a passion when I first saw it.

    My favourite Imoen is the one made by @Nixxi : https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/12232/original-artwork-imoen/p1

    npn7rkcte299.jpg

    I just wish she was smiling. And wearing pink . . .

    Balrog99Wise_GrimwaldAerakarAngulimala
  • jasteyjastey Member Posts: 1,788
    @Permidion_Stark not bad. But I admit I like @Acifer 's take on Imoen best: Imoen by Acifer.
    The only reason I did not pester him yet to make this a portrait is that I like my portraits in one style-for-all so I'd need it "baldurized" to use it in game.

    Balrog99Permidion_StarkAcifer
  • Wise_GrimwaldWise_Grimwald Member Posts: 2,951
    edited December 2019
    In my opinion none of them make Imoen look mischievious enough. :(

    This one has got the personality exactly right but IMO is a bit too old, quite fancy her though:
    https://neverwintervault.org/project/nwn1/images/portrait/imoen-0

    This one is the nearest to my concept of her:
    https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/71663/imoen
    ojmjncwuw5ue.jpg

    StummvonBordwehrAerakar
  • StummvonBordwehrStummvonBordwehr Member, Mobile Tester Posts: 912
    edited December 2019
    In days of old I use to alt Imoens picture into:
    7dfrsiqdkzdz.png
    Yeah I know what you are thinking, but in my BWS the picture (or a similar) was in the ingame files as an option, and it was before I met my wife - so don’t judge me.

    Back then I totally thought it captured her personality...

    Wise_GrimwaldPermidion_Stark
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 11,919
    @Blackbɨrd You've already been found out. Just let it go.

  • Wise_GrimwaldWise_Grimwald Member Posts: 2,951
    In days of old I use to alt Imoens picture into:
    7dfrsiqdkzdz.png
    Yeah I know what you are thinking, but in my BWS the picture (or a similar) was in the ingame files as an option, and it was before I met my wife - so don’t judge me.

    Back then I totally thought it captured her personality...

    It captures her personality perfectly.

    StummvonBordwehrPermidion_Stark
  • Permidion_StarkPermidion_Stark Member Posts: 4,606
    edited December 2019
    @StummvonBordwehr and @Wise_Grimwald

    They are both quite 'Imoeny' but I don't like using pictures based on film stars because I tend to think of them as the actor not as the character they are playing. Having said that this portrait based on Ellen Page is pretty good:

    9aj4tiasvi0m.jpg

    And a Baldurised version of Imoen's voice actor Melissa Disney would work pretty well too:

    ep76qnjoyg03.jpg


    StummvonBordwehrBalrog99ThacoBell
  • BlackbɨrdBlackbɨrd Member Posts: 265
    ThacoBell wrote: »
    @Blackbɨrd You've already been found out. Just let it go.

    Oh, really? Please expand and provide a full analysis on how I have ''already been found out''.


    Let what go? You're the one who started things off and is trying to create problems. Nice trolling attempts, guy. Maybe you should take your own advice and ''let it go'', after all you're the one who keeps on replying to me...

  • DJKajuruDJKajuru Member Posts: 3,279
    Unpopular opinion (?)
    Dorn and Hexxat could have been replaced by new evil npcs who scheme and plot bit not necessarily murder innocents, that would make evil npcs more popular and players would welcome them aboard even in good parties.

    JuliusBorisovWise_GrimwaldAerakar
  • StummvonBordwehrStummvonBordwehr Member, Mobile Tester Posts: 912
    semiticgod wrote: »
    All right, any further semantic quibbling will be deleted without notice. This is the last post on the matter.
    @semiticgod
    Semanticgoddess?

    Arvia
  • ButtercheeseButtercheese Member Posts: 3,769
    @DJKajuru What is this, an actually unpopular opinion in this thread?!

    @StummvonBordwehr Hey, I already made that joke! 😤

    StummvonBordwehrJuliusBorisov
  • StummvonBordwehrStummvonBordwehr Member, Mobile Tester Posts: 912
    Sorry @Buttercheese. It was an unintentional oversight

    JuliusBorisovButtercheese
  • BillyYankBillyYank Member Posts: 2,769
    DJKajuru wrote: »
    Unpopular opinion (?)
    Dorn and Hexxat could have been replaced by new evil npcs who scheme and plot bit not necessarily murder innocents, that would make evil npcs more popular and players would welcome them aboard even in good parties.

    "The Diet Coke of evil."

    ThacoBellStummvonBordwehrAerakarButtercheese
  • Wise_GrimwaldWise_Grimwald Member Posts: 2,951
    edited December 2019
    DJKajuru wrote: »
    Unpopular opinion (?)
    Dorn and Hexxat could have been replaced by new evil npcs who scheme and plot bit not necessarily murder innocents, that would make evil npcs more popular and players would welcome them aboard even in good parties.
    DJKajuru wrote: »
    Unpopular opinion (?)
    Dorn and Hexxat could have been replaced by new evil npcs who scheme and plot bit not necessarily murder innocents, that would make evil npcs more popular and players would welcome them aboard even in good parties.

    Now that was a real spoiler for me. I'm playing with Dorn in the party for the first time and wasn't aware that killing innocents was on the agenda. :'( At least I am playing an evil party. [Currently 100% evil.]

    It goes to show that you have to be very careful concerning who you have as allies. [The UK went to war to preserve the independence of Poland and it was decades later before they got independence. :'( ] Our ally "The Soviet Union" was no better than Germany, and some would say they were worse.

    Balrog99Isewein
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