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Pillars of Eternity 2:Deadfire announced spoilers for pillars1 ABSOLUTELY NO PILLARS 2 SPOILERS PLS

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  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 3,833

    Fardragon said:

    So long as they don't have "build a huge boring pointless dungeon" as a stretch goal.

    Suddenly with the new game that dungeon has got a lot of meaning...
    Had. Past tense. Seeing as both Caed Nua as well as the Endless Paths of Od Nua get scrapped by a god with bad sleeping posture. Even the Adra Dragon will get squashed with a mere footstep of Big Ol' Eothas. So no need to even start the Master Below questline.
    Except that it is a fun dungeon with some neat lore.
    wubble
  • therdretherdre Member Posts: 79
    edited January 27
    The dream would be if they made a game with modern graphics like in PoE and whats going to be in PoE2 and actually have it be a spiritual successor to BG/BG2/IWD I'd literally go to their office and throw money at them

    Edit: Good thing we have Beamdog :)
  • ShandaxxShandaxx Member Posts: 7,225

    Fardragon said:

    So long as they don't have "build a huge boring pointless dungeon" as a stretch goal.

    Suddenly with the new game that dungeon has got a lot of meaning...
    Had. Past tense. Seeing as both Caed Nua as well as the Endless Paths of Od Nua get scrapped by a god with bad sleeping posture. Even the Adra Dragon will get squashed with a mere footstep of Big Ol' Eothas. So no need to even start the Master Below questline.
    That's my one big gripe too so far.

    I wish that the restoration of Caed Nua and especially defeating the old master would have had a lasting effect on the game's world. The Adra dragon is one of the hardest fights in the game. And by destroying Caed Nua they take that victory from you.

    I really don't like that.


    wubble
  • ShandaxxShandaxx Member Posts: 7,225
    therdre said:

    The dream would be if they made a game with modern graphics like in PoE and whats going to be in PoE2 and actually have it be a spiritual successor to BG/BG2/IWD I'd literally go to their office and throw money at them

    Edit: Good thing we have Beamdog :)

    Right. And don't worry, there are enough people who already are throwing their money at Obsidian.
    1,100,000 $ in less than 24h.

    Think about it, all that money, DESPITE Obsidian breaking their promise to make Pillars of Eternity a spiritual successor to the Infinity Engine games!

    It's funded!

    1,1 mln USD in less than 24 hours.

    And some people say isometric RPGs are not popular...

    Oh yes, and some people say Pillars of Eternity is not popular.
  • therdretherdre Member Posts: 79
    For sure, there is definately a big demand still for isometric RPGs
    ShandaxxCrevsDaakGod
  • ShandaxxShandaxx Member Posts: 7,225
    therdre said:

    For sure, there is definately a big demand still for isometric RPGs

    Yeah definitively that must be it.

    I mean to think that raising so much money in less than 24 hours would have anything to do with Pillars of Eternity 1 is laughable.

    Because as we all know as an indisputable fact, Pillars of Eternity 1 is an average game at best.
  • KamigoroshiKamigoroshi Member Posts: 4,059
    edited January 27
    Not only for isometric RPG's, mind you, but isometric games as a whole. Over the past few years there has been an uprise in isometric adventure, horror, sci-fi and even simulation games as well.

    As for PoE 2 getting funded so fast: a big factor for that is that fig allows individuals and companies to invest into ongoing campaigns, thus becoming sponsors. This is what it makes different from kickstarter or other crowdfunding sites.
    ShandaxxCrevsDaakwubble
  • ShandaxxShandaxx Member Posts: 7,225


    As for PoE 2 getting funded so fast: a big factor for that is that fig allows individuals and companies to invest into ongoing campaigns, thus becoming sponsors. This is what it makes different from kickstarter or other crowdfunding sites.

    That is true. But why would individuals and companies invest in the successor to an average game?

    An average game that claimed to be a spiritual successor to the Infinity Engine games but failed on all levels to deliver on that promise.

    Why would anyone invest in the successor to such a game?

    There must be an explanation for that.
  • ShandaxxShandaxx Member Posts: 7,225
    Remember, if you invest in a game - in contrast to just pledging - then you as an investor expect to get money back. You actually want to make money by investing in the game.

    So if you invest in a game you expect it to be a success.

    How can you expect Pillars of Eternity 2 to be a success if it's predecessor is disappointing on so many levels?
  • KamigoroshiKamigoroshi Member Posts: 4,059
    Maybe they just want to make sure that PoE2 doesn't disappoint them as well :p
    ShandaxxCrevsDaak
  • typo_tillytypo_tilly Member Posts: 5,126
    It scored quite high with critics and fans. I'm sure the sequel will make money for the investors. :3

    There are relatively few new isometric party-based RPGs around, so fans of the genre are more likely to buy all of the decent ones out there. That's my guess. :)
    Girewankanisatha
  • ShandaxxShandaxx Member Posts: 7,225
    lefreut said:


    The game was funded in less than 24 hours. So I think a lot of people didn't find PoE disappointing :p

    The problem is that empirical evidence proves this to be false. Just ask anyone on this forum. Maybe make a poll "Do you find Pillars of Eternity disappointing?".

    You will be amazed how many people actually do.
    mlnevese
  • MirandelMirandel Member Posts: 364
    The only thing I am concerned with is the absence of Chris Avellone. After all he was behind the story for PoE (and Tyranny as well, afaik). Still, very excited about PoE2 (and so happy to see Eder again :) )
    God
  • drawnacroldrawnacrol Member Posts: 230
    Great to see it funded in under 24 hours. Great news for the isometric RPGs.
    typo_tilly
  • ShandaxxShandaxx Member Posts: 7,225

    Maybe they just want to make sure that PoE2 doesn't disappoint them as well :p

    Yeah, for now I will go with this explanation. Everything else doesn't make sense to me.

    Especially not the crackpot theory that Pillars of Eternity 1 may have been not so disappointing after all for so many people.
  • O_BruceO_Bruce Member Posts: 2,386
    edited January 27
    Gonna pledge. I kind of regreted not doing that during first Pillars of Eternity.
    ShandaxxCrevsDaakGodtypo_tilly
  • lefreutlefreut Member Posts: 757
    Shandyr said:

    The problem is that empirical evidence proves this to be false. Just ask anyone on this forum. Maybe make a poll "Do you find Pillars of Eternity disappointing?".

    You will be amazed how many people actually do.

    How can it be false ? The number of backers show that many people like the game.

    I never said that everybody loved PoE. I was myself a little disappointed by some aspect of the game. But it doesn't mean others can't like it.
    ShandaxxJuliusBorisovGirewankanisatha
  • ShandaxxShandaxx Member Posts: 7,225

    I'd say that disappointment from certain things regarding the first game doesn't mean a mandatory lack of interest in its sequel. Even if someone didn't like certain aspects of PoE, it doesn't mean this person can't follow the development of PoE 2, or support it.

    Now you are talking about "certain things" of PoE that may be disappointing. That is not the impression I got from this forum. There are people here who didn't feel motivated to even play PoE through at least once.

    If that happens then there must be MAJOR flaws, not just little "things" that disappoint (speaking from the POV of such persons).

    Of course you can still be interested in a game which is a successor to a game that doesn't even motivate you to play it through once. But supporting it to the point that it raises 1,100,000 $ in less than 24 hours?

    I dunno. I'm gonna put this argument to a rest now. For those who haven't figured it out yet, most of my last posts were ironic. I am a supporter of PoE. I love that game. It's not completely flawless to my eyes. But so aren't the Infinity Engine games to me. I love all of them, PoE, IWD, BG and PS:T.

    To me PoE is a worthy spiritual successor to the Infinity Engine games. To many people, it's not and that is okay. But that's my win, because I got a game of which I feel that it is like an IE game.

    Shandyr dropping out.
    ThacoBellJuliusBorisovwubbleGirewan
  • TheElfTheElf Member Posts: 759
    I loved the parts, but not the whole. But you could turn into a bear! I hope the story is more compact this time plus bears so I'm still excited.
    JuliusBorisovtypo_tilly
  • GodGod Member Posts: 1,029
    O_Bruce said:

    And I pledged. My sins from the past can be erased now.


  • batoorbatoor Member Posts: 556
    edited January 27
    I wonder how they will do subclasses for priests, since that stretch goal will be reached soon.

    Anyway that is great to spice up the dull fighter and barbarian base class.
    wubble
  • AstroBryGuyAstroBryGuy Member Posts: 2,904
    Shandyr said:

    Remember, if you invest in a game - in contrast to just pledging - then you as an investor expect to get money back. You actually want to make money by investing in the game.

    So if you invest in a game you expect it to be a success.

    How can you expect Pillars of Eternity 2 to be a success if it's predecessor is disappointing on so many levels?

    As as investor, all you care about is if it sells well. You don't care if it's a "worthy spiritual successor". Just how many sales were made and the average price per sale.

    Take Batman v. Superman and Suicide Squad. They were considered "disappointing" critically, but they sold $1.5 billion in movie tickets. Is Warner Bros fretting about the critical reception? No, they're happily counting their returns and letting Zack Snyder make Justice League.
  • megamike15megamike15 Member Posts: 774
    Mirandel said:

    The only thing I am concerned with is the absence of Chris Avellone. After all he was behind the story for PoE (and Tyranny as well, afaik). Still, very excited about PoE2 (and so happy to see Eder again :) )

    chris only really worked on the rough draft of durance and gm. he was not the main writer. he also had nothing to do with tyranny as he left the company by that point.
    God
  • ShandaxxShandaxx Member Posts: 7,225
    @AstroBryGuy

    Do you see what I tried to do in this thread?

    I tried to point out that the huge amount of money raised being so fast for PoE2 might be an indicator that its predecessor may not be such a disappointing game after all. That is what I want to believe.

    Other people believe that PoE was a disappointing game. And they will find other explanations why the money for PoE2 has been raised so fast.

    So as always, everyone believes what they want to. And that is okay :)

    I think I should have made clear by now what my point of view is. What I want to believe and I do believe. That I do like PoE. That I'm excited for PoE2.

    So I don't think there is a particular reason for me to go on with this argument.
    Or are there any questions left open?
  • wubblewubble Member Posts: 3,156
    Yikes, 41 posts in less than 12 hours, I knew this'd be a hot topic but not quite like this.

    I loved playing pillars, because as much as I love the BG series due to the fact that I first played it as a kid and grew up repeatedly playing it (or at least trying to) I can't separate my feelings for the game from my nostalgia and I'll never have that magical feeling of playing for the first time again.

    With pillars I can have that feeling and now I'm actually good at games (as opposed to when I played from ages 3-15) so I could have that feeling of wonder and awe while still making progress. it was magical in an all new sense for me to play a game that was at the same time incredibly familiar and comfortable and also very new, it challenged my brain with both it's combat system and all the reems of new dialogue, especially the npcs with backstories, even though I didn't read all or even most of them they put huge quantities of depth into the game.

    I loved the characters, eder immediately struck me as the sort of bloke that you'd be best friends with and could rely on through thick and thin. Pallegina was torn between obeying the people she had sworn to serve and had worked incredibly hard for to gain her position and doing what she felt was the right thing. Aloth was incredibly secretive about the fact that he had served the leaden key and was conflicted between his friends and the past he was trying to hide, plus the fact that he saw the atrocities the leaden key had commited. Durance was a bit of a knobhead, he really wouldn't be nice to be around he was unpleasant he wound people up and he was very eothasist, but even with all there were still times when he made me chuckle or he said something nice which showed that he was a shade of grey not just evil.


    I think my favourite bit by far were the interactive storyboards, which both reminded me of the old bg loading screens and felt more like an actual tabletop rpg to interact with. It seemed to me like a fantastic was of bringing in a sense of player choice to the game as crpgs tend to be fairly linear in that respect.

    I'm planning on doing another playthrough of PoE but I have to finish my current playthrough of BG1 BG2 ToB, and icewind dale, and deponia. And I have to do real life things like getting a job. and I'm going to dm a campaign, and I'm already in two (may have to quit one though).

    It's going to be a while till I can get through all of that... :(

    oh and Thanks @Shandyr for pointing that out for me, fixed it now.
    ThacoBellFinneousPJShandaxxJuliusBorisov
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