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Hexxat is the best Enhanced Edition NPC [Major Spoilers!]

So I've played through BGEE and BG2EE a few times now and I've tried all the new NPCs. (I also tried out most of the new ones in SOD but only once). They all have merit and I can tell a lot of work went into each one. I don't want anyone to think I'm "anti" any of the NPCs here.

But gosh, I just LOVE Hexxat.

If you haven't read the title, there are major spoilers after this, so please stop and don't ruin it for yourself if you haven't gotten her. Half the fun of Hexxat is the mystery surrounding her!

1. Recruiting Hexxat
Hexxat has by far the most unique recruitment of all the NPCs. You start out meeting Clara who says she is Hexxat and appears to be touched in the head. Regardless she claims to know a nearby tomb full of riches and magic items, and what adventurer can resist that? (It both amuses and annoys me to NO end that so many people thought Clara really was to be the real NPC you get and complained up and down the forums about it. Even I realized that there was more than meets the eye to her and that it would be interesting and worth it to follow the girl and see where it led.) Of course you learn the tomb is a trap and that a vampire guards it. You find Hexxat is really another person (who has a great portrait and voice acting) who is also a vampire and who, without hesitation, drains poor Clara to death to effect her freedom. That is awesome writing.

2. Hexxat's Questline
I enjoyed both Neera and Rasaad's quests but man nothing tops the Indiana Jones quests of Hexxat. She is like the evil Dr. Jones who is stealing artifacts not for a museum but for a mysterious private collector with likely nefarious purposes - and she just doesn't care either. The exotic destinations you are whisked away to on her missions are unlike any other. Heck in your first two you go to Kara-Tur AND Al-Quadim. That is amazing stuff. Each had just the right amount of traps, puzzles and monsters.

3. Hexxat is a Vampire!
And not one of these new fangled sparkly vampires who aren't really evil vampires. She's a real vampire. She drinks blood, she kills people, she has (almost) no remorse. She has cool abilities. She is immune to a ton of things that easily dispatch others, like energy drain.

4. The Cloak
At first I thought the Cloak of Dragonmir would be really annoying, but it isn't. It adds a measure of balance to an otherwise OP character and a great RP dimension to her. She's a bad A vampire but she depends on the PC to a certain extent. Plus, free bag of holding!

5. Attitude
So your PC is a god-child and part of an epic prophecy surrounding the Lord of Murder and his imminent return. *Yawn* Hexxat could care less. She's so blase about your quest and your needs, all she cares about is her missions and what she can get out of adventuring by your side. The fact that the lives of millions rest on your shoulder is almost *amusing* to her. But there's more to her than meets the eye: she has some kind of standard. She makes remarks every now and then alluding that she wishes there were a way out, and she refuses to turn Dorn when he asks because she does not want to spread her curse to others. She's evil, but it's an evil you just can't hate.

6. The Mysterious L
This one's such a big spoiler I won't even disclose it here. As a big Realms fan, I suspected who it was as soon as I knew his name was L. There's only one powerful evil dude in the Realms who regularly employs and half-enslaves other powerful undead to be his gophers whose name starts with L. Great touch to a great storyline.

Anyways, to Beamdog, whoever on your team came up with Hexxat, they did a FANTASTIC job. Hexxat is as cool, unique, and interesting as the NPCs from PLANESCAPE: TORMENT, and you know that's saying something!


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Comments

  • AmmarAmmar Member Posts: 402
    Hmm, interesting take. My feelings are pretty much the opposute and the general consensus seems to be that she is the worst written of the new NPCS and I happen to agree, especially inow regard of how all the other NPCs seem ok of character when bantering with her.

    Stat wise her abilities did not make much sense. There is no logical reason for her not to be able.to level drain. And as a pure class thief she is the opposite of OP.

    As for L, meh. Do not feel you can do a character like him justice with a cameo like this. Felt like named dropping to me. Though in this case Neera is just as bad.
    GallowglassRawgrimWandering_Ranger
  • AttalusAttalus Member Posts: 137
    Ammar said:

    Hmm, interesting take. My feelings are pretty much the opposute and the general consensus seems to be that she is the worst written of the new NPCS and I happen to agree, especially inow regard of how all the other NPCs seem ok of character when bantering with her.
    .

    Agree. When she killed poor Clara that did it for me. I killed Hexxat right then and if she had been stakeable...well...

  • UnderstandMouseMagicUnderstandMouseMagic Member Posts: 945
    Seems like you "got" Hexaat unlike most players, myself included.

    I was just bored of it all by the end.
  • StefanOStefanO Member Posts: 195
    edited April 16
    I'm with @Baptor. First of all: Hexxat is a strong evil thief. Her quests are okay but a little bit difficult if done to early.

    Hexxat is often used as an example of what is wrong with the extended editions, and that Beamdog can't write like Bioware could, and so on and on. I'm pretty sure she would have gotten better ratings if not written by Beamdog but some unknown modder.

    Baptor
  • KuronaKurona Member Posts: 693
    StefanO said:

    Hexxat is often used as an example of what is wrong with the extended editions, and that Beamdog can't write like Bioware could, and so on and on. I'm pretty sure she would have gotten better ratings if not written by Beamdog but some unknown modder.

    Idk, NPC mods got a lot of hate back in the day. Putting the obvious 15 years old paladin aside, does anyone remember Chloe or Juno? I don't think Hexxat ever managed to be hated as much as them.

    Frankly, Hexxat appears to me as the victim of excessive ambition. As if the writer had this awesome story and ideal gameplay planned in their head and forgot she was supposed to be a BG2 character, realizing too late the limitations of the setting and game engine. I wouldn't be surprised if she happened to have a large amount of cut content.

    Perhaps this is why I can't really bring myself to dislike her even though I loathe Neera (who is objectively better integrated than Hexxat.)
  • megamike15megamike15 Member Posts: 679
    we have moved from the poorly done self incert npc mod phase after like 2008. most mods nowadays tend to be more consistent and fit better in the world.
  • QuickbladeQuickblade Member Posts: 233
    Kurona said:

    StefanO said:

    Hexxat is often used as an example of what is wrong with the extended editions, and that Beamdog can't write like Bioware could, and so on and on. I'm pretty sure she would have gotten better ratings if not written by Beamdog but some unknown modder.

    Idk, NPC mods got a lot of hate back in the day. Putting the obvious 15 years old paladin aside, does anyone remember Chloe or Juno? I don't think Hexxat ever managed to be hated as much as them.
    I recently made a list of almost all the BG2 NPCs and to record their vital stats and whether vanilla, EE, and mod, barring the truly OOC totally absurd ones (Banana, Matt Damon, Bruce Willises), and the list was over 160, and I know I missed at least some. I know there's a furry one I missed somewhere (Got 2 of them already, half-kobold and the vixen, but I know there's a raccoon druid something or other)...

    There's some real dumpster fire NPCs, and most are so-so and fairly forgotten. I mean, how many mod NPCs do you know BY NAME? I can probably do a couple dozen, and as I said, I just recently combed the interwebs for making a list of them all. But there are some good ones, Sturgeon's law and all. Heck, taking Sturgeon's law literally, there should be 15-16 good mod NPCs.

    I don't find Hexxat all that special, already got 3 other Vampires on the list, 2 of them being Thieves as well.

    I don't have a Juno down. Whossat?

    I would say, from browsing a whole lot of NPC reviews, that it seems people have a real hate-on for punctuation-spamming in dialogs with parentheses, ellipses, and asterisks denoting actions, thoughts or other non-verbal communication. Although broken (unplayable) mods, OP stats (Where Chloe gets most of her hate), OP gear, and bad voice acting are all in there too. I can stomach quite a bit of excessive punctuation (Hey, look at my posting style), but I can't stomach badly worded lines, or even worse, badly written lines that got voice acted. Hey, Saerileth...

    Personally, what I look for in an NPC mod is a character who provides something vanilla NPCs don't, which is usually a class (e.g. Tashia), or an expansion of an NPC, namely through various NPC friendships and banterpacks; or, a big reason for me making the list, because I wanted to see about NPC-NPC romance. That didn't actually pan out too well, only 6 when one excludes paired NPCs in the same mod, and I couldn't stomach most of those pairings, such as Chloe->Imoen being one of them. I prefer the NPC to have good, but not broken stats and class (There's more than a few Kensai, F/M, even Kensai/Mages on the list).
  • UnderstandMouseMagicUnderstandMouseMagic Member Posts: 945
    With reference to the posts about mod NPC which might also be the problem with the EE NPC.

    If the person writing the new content doesn't have to run it past the writers who wrote the original NPC's I think there's a tendency to change the expected or more in character reactions of the existing NPC's to suit the new NPC.
    Especially if the new/mod NPC is very in your face., "look at me I'm so special".






  • pabramspabrams Member Posts: 6
    Hexxat is broken. And what's this Clara stuff you're talking about? I never met Clara. I just met Hexxat in a corner of the Copper Coronet, and after clearing out the slavers, she got all buggy so I had to dismiss her, and now I can't find her again.
  • megamike15megamike15 Member Posts: 679
    clara is the one you meet at the copper coronet.
    semiticgod
  • AWizardDidItAWizardDidIt Member Posts: 92
    edited April 16
    I like Hexxat. She's an ambitious npc in terms of ability set and rules that apply to her and it sorta works as well as a vampire npc could. She also fills that evil thief niche that the original game was lacking (and along with Dorn lets you build out a full 5 man evil party) and all of her unique bonuses really help balance out the fact that vanilla thieves are a really bad class in BG2. Well sorta, even for all her rule bending mechanics, she's still probably on the weak side. Her quests are pretty fun, I really like little mini dungeon crawls and they're all in unique locations. One of my few complaints about BG2 as a game is that it has a ton of really huge dungeon crawls and not many smaller one-map dungeons. I like a little piece-meal adventuring every so often.

    Her personality works for me too. She's a really practical kind of evil that's very different from the other evil npcs in game. I like that if you take her into a good/neutral party she tries to actually befriend any npc that doesn't have an innate way to detect evil on her.

    I don't get a lot of the complaints about 'writing'. After playing her full quest, seemed perfectly fine with me. It seems more like a style or tone complaint which has merit but is a lot of an 'eye of the beholder' kind of thing to me.
    BaptorQueegonsubtledoctor
  • BaptorBaptor Member Posts: 150
    pabrams said:

    Hexxat is broken. And what's this Clara stuff you're talking about? I never met Clara. I just met Hexxat in a corner of the Copper Coronet, and after clearing out the slavers, she got all buggy so I had to dismiss her, and now I can't find her again.

    Oh you met Clara all right. ;)

    The best thing to do when you get "Hexxat" is to go straight to Dragonmir's Tomb and do the quest immediately.
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 2,339
    The way Hexxat is written annoys me, "Oh look how special I am", but my biggest problem is her ability to make the OTHER npcs act out of character when she talks to them. Its almost like she was written in a vacuum outside the context of the EE npcs. That being said, I love her quests. They are the best designed out of the new npc quests in my opinion.
    Nuin
  • BaptorBaptor Member Posts: 150
    ThacoBell said:

    The way Hexxat is written annoys me, "Oh look how special I am", but my biggest problem is her ability to make the OTHER npcs act out of character when she talks to them. Its almost like she was written in a vacuum outside the context of the EE npcs. That being said, I love her quests. They are the best designed out of the new npc quests in my opinion.

    While I happen to love Hexxat's "practical evil" personality, I agree that the quests are the strongest part of having her. I'll always do at least the first 2 for the items in future playthroughs.
    ThacoBell said:

    my biggest problem is her ability to make the OTHER npcs act out of character when she talks to them. Its almost like she was written in a vacuum outside the context of the EE npcs.

    A lot of people have said this, but I haven't seen it in my playthrough. Can you provide some examples of banter where existing BG2 NPCs have acted out of character where it comes to Hexxat? In my party she mostly talked to Mazzy, who hated her and eventually dueled her to the death. Given Mazzy is a LG paladin wannabe, and Hexxat is an unrepentant vampire, it made perfect sense to me.
  • tbone1tbone1 Member Posts: 514
    ThacoBell said:


    my biggest problem is her ability to make the OTHER npcs act out of character when she talks to them.

    I didn't see this as a problem; walking and adventuring with a vampire is going to be a new and uncomfortable experience for most, if not all, NPCs, so I saw that as a way of looking at how they might react when confronted with something so differently dangerous, for lack of a better term.
  • BaptorBaptor Member Posts: 150

    IIRC, there is a moment where Hexxat intimidates Korgan in their dialogue, which is ridiculous. Not only is Korgan is the most fearless character in the game, who never backs down from anything and is even cheerful about hell, but in a battle he could carve Hexxat to pieces without breaking a sweat. Basically, the writers diminished a classic NPC in Korgan to make Hexxat seem scarier, which was a very amateurish move. Also, have you noticed how there's almost no reaction from the other NPCs when you meet the real Hexxat? And no reaction about what has happened to Clara?

    OK yeah I agree, that IS dumb with Korgan. Vampires are bad business but they are not the end all be all of villains, and Korgan shouldn't back down.

    Also I've got to agree to the second, though the group DOES eventually voice their displeasures and eventually even take action against her. See my earlier comment on Mazzy.

    For me, most of the interactions made sense. Dorn asks Hexxat to turn him so he can become more powerful, Hexxat refuses because she doesn't want to spread her curse (and given her ultimate decision, makes sense.) Mazzy hates Hexxat and eventually decides that no matter what CHARNAME says, a vampire is worthy only to be destroyed and duels her to the death (not gonna lie, I reloaded after this one because Mazzy defeated her and Hexxat ran off with half my stuff.) Lastly after Imoen loses her soul, she asks Hexxat what it's like to be undead (because Imoen fears she may become undead, or is contemplating the transformation to cheat death like Bodhi) and Hexxat lies and tells her it's not so bad but the confesses to CHARNAME that being undead is unending torment.

    So my experience was much better. I guess they wrote some banter better than others. =/
    tbone1SkatanJuliusBorisov
  • Artemius_IArtemius_I Member Posts: 1,757
    edited April 17
    I should probably point out that this is an actual conversation.

    Korgan: I have been resisting my urges far too long... I can hold off no longer.

    Player: What on earth are you talking about, Korgan?

    Korgan: Ye are a fine-lookin' PRO_RACE! Ach, ye have no beard to speak of, but I be a man of the world and able to look past such things. CHARNAME, yer beauty has overwhelmed me!

    Player: At last, Korgan! Now our feelings are out in the open, and our love can bloom!

    Korgan: Eh? You actually feel... uh... well, let's not be too hasty, lassie.

    Player: What's the matter, Korgan? Getting cold feet?

    Korgan: No... uh... no offense intended, lassie. Ye are indeed a fine-lookin' woman, and mighty powerful too. A true catch, if I say so myself.

    Korgan: Ach, ye know as well as I that it could never work out between us, lassie. It's that Bhaal taint of yours, ye understand. That immortal piece of yer soul. Ye be more than this dwarf could handle, and that's the truth.
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  • WarChiefZekeWarChiefZeke Member Posts: 423
    edited April 17
    I think Clara is the best enhanced edition NPC! When you first meet her you're curious to know more. She seems odd and touched in the head like some of our lovable gnomes. Her portrait is better than Neera's and Hexxat's in my opinion. I lol'd when I first heard her death line.

    When I first met Hexxat...I almost couldn't believe what I was seeing. I haven't used Hexxat yet since i'm a heavy roleplayer and most of my charname's are either too good or too practical to take an evil vampire who just murdered my old companion along. I'm playing evil for the first time now just to try it. I will say that as a vampire thief she doesn't stand out much. This is a city caught in the midst of a guild war between thieves, and vampires, after all. Her personality so far after the initial incident seems more practical and makes me more forgiving although i've only just started.
  • OrlonKronsteenOrlonKronsteen Member Posts: 257
    edited April 17
    @Baptor you're right that there is also some good stuff in there with Hexxat, like the examples you cited. To be honest it's been so long since I played her (over 3 years) that my memory is sketchy. I'm glad you're enjoying playing her.

    @AWizardDidIt you make a really good point about the overall writing consistency, particularly where you can kill an innocent and not lose good party members. I guess Clara's demise stood out to me more since she's a member of your party. If I'm being honest there's no way even my charname would accept or trust Hexxat after that, though I was willing to overlook it because I wanted to try the new NPC. As I mentioned to @Baptor, it's been ages since I played her and I guess my memory is fuzzy - I remember the Korgan dialogue differently. Thanks for the clarification.

    Edit: @Artemius_I thanks for posting that dialogue. Jeeze, I really remembered that badly. If I were a mage I'd be struggling to memorize my spells. Cheers to middle age.
    Skatan
  • AWizardDidItAWizardDidIt Member Posts: 92


    @AWizardDidIt you make a really good point about the overall writing consistency, particularly where you can kill an innocent and not lose good party members. I guess Clara's demise stood out to me more since she's a member of your party. If I'm being honest there's no way even my charname would accept or trust Hexxat after that, though I was willing to overlook it because I wanted to try the new NPC. As I mentioned to @Baptor, it's been ages since I played her and I guess my memory is fuzzy - I remember the Korgan dialogue differently. Thanks for the clarification.

    I think both Hexxat and Dorn really only work if you're committing to a full evil party. You're totally right if you're a good character and actually roleplaying it, you should try and kill Hexxat right then and there. While someone like Viccy can work in an overall good aligned party with some finesse, Hexxat and Dorn really do not under any circumstance.
    OrlonKronsteenThacoBellNeverusedGallowglass
  • megamike15megamike15 Member Posts: 679
    yeah. korgan, edwin, and viconia can fit in a good/neutral party just fine with only afew issues [ mostly edwin]. but dorn's quests are to evil and hexxat makes characters become over the top with how much they can't stand her.
  • KuronaKurona Member Posts: 693
    edited April 17
    Viconia also mentions how hard it is to be a woman... when she comes from a misandrist and matriarchal society where women rule and men are slaves at best. This is a conversation that could have worked with someone like Nalia, but just not Viconia.

    She's just sloppy all around... Still I'm willing to overlook it for the weird film noir vibes she gives off and for the awesome portrait.
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  • megamike15megamike15 Member Posts: 679
    reading that makes me feel bad for hexxat. she may really want to be friends with the group they just don;t know how to deal with her.
    Buttercheesetbone1OrlonKronsteen
  • ButtercheeseButtercheese Member Posts: 3,461
    Yeah, she is a tragic person, that's what makes her interesting.
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