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  • DreadKhanDreadKhan Member Posts: 3,857
    @DrHappyAngry I would caution against reading too much into someone being institutionalized, it is these days mostly to deal with suicidal depression, especially in people with other issues. However, people that consistently refer to themselves as crazy are (I suspect) not well adjusted. I wouldn't worry about institutionalization so much as 'is she consistent', like either a healthy individual or someone good about their meds.

    I would just ignore the message, but I'm not a very sexual being. My philosophy is that sex without love leads to drama/unhappiness, and should be avoided.

    @DragonKing honestly you should talk with a professional. Life isn't like games and movies, and unless you are intensely privileged, you can expect consequences for straying. American prisons are pretty awful for example, and many countries have worse systems.

    In life, people get ahead mostly on a mix of luck, privilege, talent and hardwork. You seem to be having a run of bad luck, but that can change over time, if you are patient. You might need to take a break from your specific field though, and come back to it maybe when the spark returns. I think you have talent, no sense in giving up completely on it!
  • DragonKingDragonKing Member Posts: 1,979
    All I want is to just stop feeling so broken.
  • DrHappyAngryDrHappyAngry Member Posts: 1,577
    Ugh, the other day at work we got a notification from github that one of the project manager's account had been compromised all the way back in January. Fortunately we didn't have any of the big stuff they were looking for like aws and ssh keys in any of our github repos. We had one repo that still had some api keys and other values that should have been secret, and I had recently done all the work to move everything over to pulling those out of a chef vault, but the compromise happened, back in January, so even if I had that out it wouldn't have helped. At least I have to laugh they must've found my chef-repo disappointing. It's got spots for aws and ssh keys all over the place, but they get pulled in as variables from the encrypted vaults which aren't even in github. It's been a mad scramble to get those api keys and other values that were that one repo reset. At least everything since I've been at the company is a no secret stuff in git, so there's not much that they could've gotten. Ugh, I hate that I have to be the one person that cares about security. When I first started 4 years ago, people would email and send passwords over chat.

    So I've just ignored that email I got from that girl last week. She's someone that actively brags about being crazy, and uses at as an excuse for any behavior she wants to do on whim. Absolutely not someone I should hang around.
  • ArviaArvia Member Posts: 2,101
    Minor unhappiness: I have to get up half an hour earlier before work, now that my daughter has to take the bus to another school. I didn't think that 6am instead of 6:30 would make much of a difference, but it does. I hate it.
  • ArviaArvia Member Posts: 2,101
    @semiticgod , first of all, thank you for your encouraging words. I already feel much better today, as I said, it's better not to think too much when I feel that way.

    I'm so sorry to hear that your frustration overwhelmed you so much that you hurt yourself. I know how you feel. I broke my right index finger last summer when I smashed something on a table in frustration.

    Why didn't they fix you right away? Why in two or three days? And can't you get real painkillers?

    I guess I don't need to tell you to hold up your hand as much as possible to keep it from swelling up too much, and to put ice on it? It sometimes helps a lot.

    Also, think of a lie how you broke your finger. Not to a doctor who sees the x-ray of course. They all know where 5th metacarpal fractures usually come from... but to other people who might ask.
    If you have a bike, you might say you fell with it. If you don't have a bike, Basketball is always a good excuse for finger injuries. If you hate sports and everyone knows it, then I'm out of ideas...

    Can't someone take you to a clinic where they take care of your hand the way they're supposed to?

    If you have Dimension Door: Extra Long Reach memorized, I can anesthetize your arm and let someone take care of your broken bone...

    Don't give up hope, please. Let someone take care of your hand first, and then take the future in small steps. You will find your way and walk it.
  • DreadKhanDreadKhan Member Posts: 3,857
    Arvia wrote: »
    I feel like a complete failure, especially at being a mother.
    I also know that I MUST not overanalyze my life when I feel like this, because this will pass, but why do I suck at everything that seems to come naturally to others? I want to be kind and compassionate, instead I'm irritable and impatient and nagging. I hate myself when I'm like that.
    I also have the feeling that my medication is messing with my emotions.Or maybe that's just my excuse. I'm thinking about stopping treatment. Maybe I need to learn to face myself the way I am and learn strategies, not take pills hoping to fix my struggles easily.

    Mental health meds can certainly have side effects, and maybe that specific pill is no longer (or never was) a good fit, but the solution imho is to speak to a specialist about it. I have family that require meds that never received treatment, ones that received treatment but refuse to consistently take their meds, and ones that religiously take meds, and they are definitely what you would want to be.
  • DreadKhanDreadKhan Member Posts: 3,857
    edited September 2019
    The necessary dosage varies from person to person, and if you aren't noticing any improvements after months, that really does sound like something to get help with. Typically if you already are getting side effects they don't love raising your dose, so you might need to try a different mode of action medication.

    Certainly the external world has a great impact on one's mental state, but I think the Buddha had a good view that we can, over time, get very good at controlling our reactions, and that this is a personal responsibility. This to me is a large part of what truly growing up is about, learning to better manage our self to ensure greater happiness.

    Edit: tbh, among people I have observed that would benefit from medication, the giveaway is that they typically seem to manufacture obstacles, be it things to be angry about, addictions, or poorly considered decisions about big and small issues. I don't mean to accuse you, I'm saying many people are very surprised after their medication starts to work, how much straight up easier life is, side effects aside naturally.
  • ArviaArvia Member Posts: 2,101
    People who profit from medication are people who have mental illnesses, not people who "fabricate obstacles" or make "poorly considered decisions".

    Buddha and learning to manage themselves may help some people in some situations, but what helps one person is not necessarily what helps everyone.

    Not talking about me personally here. I just found your point of view a bit too generalizing for a personal opinion.

    Especially since "mental health" is a very broad umbrella term.
  • semiticgoddesssemiticgoddess Member Posts: 14,903
    I'd actually say medication would be least effective for people who cause their own problems or make poor decisions. Unless we're talking about prescription drug addictions in the latter group, neither of those folks are generally the people who would even want medications. When bad decision makers look for quick solutions, they don't go to licensed professionals--and poor judgment or its consequences can't be treated with any drug. Generally, the folks who want meds are seriously ill people who want help, and the folks who are most resistant to taking meds are seriously ill people who don't want help (bipolar folks are notoriously bad about taking their medicine).
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 12,235
    @DreadKhan Gave you a like for the first paragraph. When it comes to mental illness, its not a choice. When your brain either pumps too much of a certain chemical, or not enough of another, it can't be controlled by "willpower" any more than a broken bone or pneumonia.
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  • ArviaArvia Member Posts: 2,101
    And sometimes negative emotions are perfectly legitimate and have nothing to do with mental illness or medication.
  • DreadKhanDreadKhan Member Posts: 3,857
    edited October 2019
    Edit: if it wasn't clear, I'm not 'accusing' the mentally ill of consciously and deliberately creating barriers, more that it is their own mind, ie them, that is the source of them, rather than being externally imposed.

    If you think counter-productive behaviour is odd in any way for people with serious issues, I will definitely disagree strongly. For an easy example, people with issues that haven't learned to 'manage' their thinking can make themselves have an acute episode purely by feeding their mental cycles, ie working themselves up. I see this as manufacturing barriers to normal life, and it is painfully common in the 'big name' illnesses, like schizophrenia and forms of bi-polar. If you think a psychotic person can't unintentionally work themselves up to an episode, I think this is pointless to discuss. Medication has diverse effects, but granting better judgement is often one of them, just like bad judgement/behaviors/choices are why people are diagnosed in the first place.

    I agree entirely that self-control is neither a solution for everyone, and doesn't replace medication, and some people find self control easier, but it is a skill, and the mentally ill have often a greater need for said control, despite it likely being harder to achieve.

    Medication changes their behavior @semiticgod , that is the point after all. Adjust the brain chemistry correctly, and many undesirable behaviors become less prominent. People putting up the example barriers might not agree to be medicated I agree, but the need is obvious to those around them. The trick to getting people to reliably take their meds is to convince them they will be happier/better off on them, something very hard to do I admit.

    @ThacoBell wtf? When did I say mental health is a choice?? Your attitude, while well meaning and kind-hearted, does a disservice to people living with illness. Many, not all by any means, people with illnesses are capable of improvement over time, and training yourself is part of that. By your logic all mentally ill people should do whatever they feel like and just say 'it's okay, I'm ill!', which is very, very counterproductive. Ffs, their are reasons professionals tell people to try to avoid things that bring out the worst in them, ie drinking, watching things that rile them up, and avoiding bad influences. They aren't accusing their patients of 'choosing' to be ill, they are trying to show them ways to help have control over their condition.
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  • DreadKhanDreadKhan Member Posts: 3,857
    I clarified what I meant specifically by manufactured. If you want to be obtuse and accuse me of claiming the mentally ill make up their symptoms, feel free. The body creates every mental illness, builds them from either genetic or environmental factors, they don't spontaneously pop up.

    Also, if you are going to be absurd enough to pretend that their isn't a judgement issue that leads to medication, then you are not thinking things through. Most mental health meds have massive, nasty side effects, and they are not prescribed lightly, only when behavior consistently reveals an issue, not because Dr's use magical psychic powers. You don't get medicated for being neurotypical, you get it due to your actions (mental and physical), which reveal that you often enough are acting inappropriately. This takes an endless myriad of forms, but consistently, a rude observer could note 'they should have known better', which is unhelpful exactly because they already do know better, their condition compromises their thought processes.

    Obvious point is obvious, but I never claimed that 'training' would cure anyone of anything. Ever. I said it can help ameliorate the condition, which is very different than what you are claiming. Why you jumped to the conclusion you did is beyond me. For a Bi-polar, basic training would include figuring out how your state affects your decisions, and for example avoiding any big decisions when you are compromised, something that Bi-polar sufferers in my family badly needed to figure out.

    I hate it when people infantilize the mentally ill, which is 100% what you are all doing. We are all participants in our life, as long as we aren't in a vegetable state, and we can all get 'better' at living with whatever hand we have been dealt with. We have a local with Down syndrome in my village, and he not only is still alive well over 50, he was able to work and enjoyed a great deal contributing to the community. He had to work harder than others to get good at his job, but their are plenty of people in the area that choose not to work at all, so I find him quite inspiring.

    I suspect this is not going to be productive to continue, but felt insulted enough that I needed to reply.
  • semiticgoddesssemiticgoddess Member Posts: 14,903
    DreadKhan wrote: »
    I clarified what I meant specifically by manufactured. If you want to be obtuse and accuse me of claiming the mentally ill make up their symptoms, feel free. The body creates every mental illness, builds them from either genetic or environmental factors, they don't spontaneously pop up.
    This is what I meant when I suggested we were talking about different things, and that I wasn't sure what you thought I was saying. I did not say you claimed the mentally ill make up their symptoms. I didn't say mental illnesses arose spontaneously. I do not believe either of those things, and they are not found anywhere in my post.
    DreadKhan wrote: »
    Obvious point is obvious, but I never claimed that 'training' would cure anyone of anything. Ever. I said it can help ameliorate the condition, which is very different than what you are claiming.
    I have not claimed this. I explicitly said the opposite about one of my own disorders:
    semiticgod wrote: »
    The anxiety problem does not involve medication, and it is primarily an issue of thoughts. The anxiety I experience is simply a factor of the things I think about, and while it's hideously difficult, it's possible to end a negative loop by consciously changing my thought patterns. Likewise, it's entirely possible (and much easier) to manufacture a loop, positive or negative, through conscious thought.
    I do not infantilize the mentally ill. I can use your own words to describe my position: "their condition compromises their thought processes." You are telling me things I already agree with.

    I'm not trying to insult you, and I am not trying to jump to conclusions. If I'm misreading any of your comments, I apologize, but I can't know what you mean until I ask. I am trying my best to understand your position. It's fair for me to hope that you do the same. I don't think it's fair to say I'm being obtuse or absurd, or that I'm not thinking things through.
  • GalactygonGalactygon Member, Developer Posts: 412
    semiticgod wrote: »
    @DreadKhan, I'm not entirely sure what you think the rest of us are
    2. The anxiety problem does not involve medication, and it is primarily an issue of thoughts. The anxiety I experience is simply a factor of the things I think about, and while it's hideously difficult, it's possible to end a negative loop by consciously changing my thought patterns. Likewise, it's entirely possible (and much easier) to manufacture a loop, positive or negative, through conscious thought.

    Have you tried or considered trying hypnotherapy or Shad Helmstetter self talk methods? I too suffer from slight anxiety but mostly related to IBS-D and a result of certain events that happened 5-6 years ago. I am looking into those methods to see what they can do.
  • DragonKingDragonKing Member Posts: 1,979
    edited October 2019
    I don't even know where I stand anymore. I don't even know if I should be happy, sad, or indifferent anymore.

    On one hand, I seem to impress my professors with my work.

    On the other, one tells me the issue with me isn't my work, but my presentation I guess. I'm a Sarcastic Eeyore in my mentality and presentation and I need to try to be a Tigger mentality... I just can't...

    On one hand I eligible for a long forgiveness program to help me out.

    On the other in still going to be indebted for the next 20 years of my life and how much I pay will change with my income. So if I ever better it, I will pay more. But hey, I guess it beats trying to pay around 800-1200 USD a month just to pay off the forced increasing interest which will continue to grow faster than I can pay.

    I'm trying to communicate more with my aunties and uncles to see how they are doing back home...

    Just learned mom is still over working herself as she doesn't get much sleep due to her current work schedule which isn't healthy, and that's coming from me someone who normally sleeps 4-5 hours.

    Constantly hear the words, "everything is going to be alright, you're going to make it"

    While thinking about the past 10 years of my life... Game design, failure. Attempted animated series... Failure... Tried to be a gallery artist... Failure... Currently attempting a comic... Failure... Currently trying to get into graphic design... I'm seeing a pattern forming.

    Sometimes I wonder why I haven't starting drinking then I remember that requires money.

    I'm also told be positive, focus on the positive, on the what you can do. Yet I don't seem to have a "can do". Oh wait, I guess I can complain when I don't deserve it...

    Hey starving kids in China, Africa, and India...

    I would say Bojack horsemen is my spirit animal at this point, but at least he's successful at what he wants.
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 12,235
    If you're impressing your professors, then your on the right track. They are probably on to something with the presentation. It might be prudent to work on a business face and appear more cheerful with prospective clients. You don't actually HAVE to be, just fake it enough to give the impression. Or maybe find a friend who would be willing to be something of a PR person for you.
  • DragonKingDragonKing Member Posts: 1,979
    edited October 2019
    @ThacoBell
    I'm already taking it, I've been taking it since middle school where the school called my parents because they learned I wanted to kill myself.

    But sometimes I'm just too tired to.

    Oh and now I just confirmed that we missed the last and final payment for this semester of school... Sigh, toss that in the stress pile.
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 12,235
    You only have to do it long enough to get in good with a client. Its not a 24 hour thing.
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 12,235
    Meh, Been fighting an eye infection for 6 days now. On day 5 of medication that was supposed to help after day 1. Looks like my infection has somehow spread to my other eye. I'm really hoping that the final day is the one that fixes this. My eyesight is almost shot with all the
    gross leakage
    and it makes it really hard to sleep. If I don't improve after tomorrow I'm calling the doctor.
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  • Son_of_ImoenSon_of_Imoen Member Posts: 1,806
    I lack the energy to participate fully in the discussion, but I want to say on the subject of controlling your thoughts, that it's not or/or but and/and: medication (in my case anti-depressant + anti-psychotics) gives me more control of my thoughts. I know that because of depression, I have a tendency to think of negative things and because of that, I try to actively steer away from those thoughts, but it's only the effect of the anti-depressant and anti-psychotics that give me the ability to actively stop my thoughts from spiralling down and think about small things in life that do go well instead of all the wrongs in the world.
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