Hyperbole. States exist for a reason, that reason is to represent you and your interests. People in Idaho shouldn't have to rely on people thousands of miles away, who never interact with them nor think about them, to vote for their interests.
The tenth amendment still exists. Plenty of power is still devolved to the states. That's how small states are protected from being "ruled over".
Your argument is incoherent. If you want to conflate having the office of the presidency with the ability to "rule over" the states, it doesn't follow that you can, via a capricious set of rules, win that ability to rule by convincing a smaller number of voters across the nation than the other side. Having a capricious set of rules for victory does nothing -- by themselves -- to protect geographically distinct regions from federal rule. Only constitutional injunctions, like the tenth amendment do. If anything, it's more troubling that one side could "rule over the states" with a narrow, jury-rigged minority, than with a legitimate majority.
This election is all over the place. Biden is winning because of his increased support from MEN, not women. Florida went for Republicans, but voted for a $15.00 minimum wage, which Republicans are steadfastly opposed to. Liberal California voted to allow Uber and Lyft to continue to exploit their drivers. None of this makes any sense.
Still too close to call the Senate. So much depends on keeping the stronger house of Congress out of McConnell's hands; he'll stonewall everything that could make a Biden administration successful.
If Biden wins but the Senate stays in GOP hands, the federal government will be paralyzed. The House can't pass bills if the Senate doesn't want a blue administration to get credit for anything.
It doesn't appear that COVID-19 had any impact whatsoever on this race. Biden may wind up winning WI, MI and PA by about the exact same number of votes Trump did last time. This is, frankly, horrifying. It means the objective reality of what is facing this country in terms of loss of life and the economic situation caused by our failed response is completely meaningless to GOP voters. It's completely cultural, and no amount of talking about healthcare or jobs is going to change it. People on the left end of the spectrum are saying "coulda had Bernie". Do they think the Democrat's problems with Cubans in Florida would have been LESS with Sanders?? Because that is delusional.
This is just now a cold civil war between rural and urban America, and, to the same extent, educated and non-educated (at least in terms of post high school). It's completely entrenched, and I have no idea what can bridge the divide.
@jjstraka34 "It means the objective reality of what is facing this country in terms of loss of life and the economic situation caused by our failed response is completely meaningless to GOP voters. It's completely cultural, and no amount of talking about healthcare or jobs is going to change it.'
If you'd asked, I could have told you this years ago. Even ignoring the voters who will go out and protest with "sacrifice the weak" signs, there's a VERY LARGE number of religious conservative voters who go out of their way to ignore everything going on so they have plausible deniability and can vote for "their" party with a "clean" conscience. Bringing current events to their attention usually leads to confusion, anger, then denial. In that order.
The Democrats need a messaging infrastructure to counter what is going on on Facebook, FOX News, and Sinclair broadcasting stations fucking yesterday. Because this conspiratorial propaganda has about 40% of the country in a Vulcan mind-meld. It scares the shit out of me.
Senate appears to hinge on winning two of three races for the Dems. Gideon v Collins in Maine, going to a recount based on ranked-choice voting. And the two Georgia races, which are going to special election runoffs. One of those looks very favorable for the Dems -- Warnock v Loeffler. Perdue v Ossoff is more of a longshot.
That's assuming a Biden win and tie-breaking vote, of course. But it's definitely do-able. Will be interesting to see where Georgia falls in the prez race.
The Democrats need a messaging infrastructure to counter what is going on on Facebook, FOX News, and Sinclair broadcasting stations fucking yesterday. Because this conspiratorial propaganda has about 40% of the country in a Vulcan mind-meld. It scares the shit out of me.
That's the thing, Democrats have not wanted to brainwash Americans while the right has a well funded and coordinated propaganda machine (Facebook, FOX News, and Sinclair broadcasting stations, prageru, the heritage foundation, pundits like Shapiro and Limbaugh, etc).
There's nothing on the left coordinating or funded the way that the corporate interests are on the right that are working together brainwashing Americans and filling their heads with hateful messaging.
The Democrats need a messaging infrastructure to counter what is going on on Facebook, FOX News, and Sinclair broadcasting stations fucking yesterday. Because this conspiratorial propaganda has about 40% of the country in a Vulcan mind-meld. It scares the shit out of me.
That's the thing, Democrats have not wanted to brainwash Americans while the right has a well funded and coordinated propaganda machine (Facebook, FOX News, and Sinclair broadcasting stations, prageru, the heritage foundation, pundits like Shapiro and Limbaugh, etc).
There's nothing on the left coordinating or funded the way that the corporate interests are on the right that are working together brainwashing Americans and filling their heads with hateful messaging.
Just gonna throw it out there that Clinton outspent Trump by double and Democrats have outspent Republicans by double this election season, although the Trump and Biden campaigns themselves are basically dead even.
Like it or not, the D's are the corporate money party now. Even Wall Street goes for them. How ironic is that, given that Republican justices green lit the practice.
Senate appears to hinge on winning two of three races for the Dems. Gideon v Collins in Maine, going to a recount based on ranked-choice voting. And the two Georgia races, which are going to special election runoffs. One of those looks very favorable for the Dems -- Warnock v Loeffler. Perdue v Ossoff is more of a longshot.
That's assuming a Biden win and tie-breaking vote, of course. But it's definitely do-able. Will be interesting to see where Georgia falls in the prez race.
I would love it if they could take the senate but this feels like too much to hope for
Senate appears to hinge on winning two of three races for the Dems. Gideon v Collins in Maine, going to a recount based on ranked-choice voting. And the two Georgia races, which are going to special election runoffs. One of those looks very favorable for the Dems -- Warnock v Loeffler. Perdue v Ossoff is more of a longshot.
That's assuming a Biden win and tie-breaking vote, of course. But it's definitely do-able. Will be interesting to see where Georgia falls in the prez race.
I would love it if they could take the senate but this feels like too much to hope for
Hasn't been much reported on it nationally, but John James (R) is really close to taking out Gary Peters (D) in Michigan. That would probably be the knock-out blow for the Dems if it happens...
Wisconsin was just called for Biden. He's ahead in MI and AZ. There's reason to be potentially skeptical of his lead in AZ, but it sounds like PA might come through in the end.
Biden's very likely to be our next president, minus legal shenanigans that attempt to steal the election.
Why do liberals think turning small states into occupied territories with virtually no electoral power is any way to run a democracy?
I mean, if you think lines drawn by a government, in an ad hoc fashion over several centuries deserve more respect than human beings, I dunno if you can say you're someone who believes in personal liberty.
And apparently you don't think "all men are created equal" is a democratic norm here.
Hyperbole. States exist for a reason, that reason is to represent you and your interests. People in Idaho shouldn't have to rely on people thousands of miles away, who never interact with them nor think about them, to vote for their interests. Geography isn't outdated, it is still very real. Some states have different occupations, incomes, lifestyles, they are different people with different needs. Giving a handful of major groups in the U.S dictatorial power over the rest will never serve those who don't live in one of the 146 counties (out of over 3000) that host half the population.
Why should these blue counties rule over
all of the grey counties, and why on earth would we even think for a second that if they did rule over them, they would act in their interests rather than in their own? How often do you think about the needs of Lancaster county? They border me and even I don't.
Bottom line, state by state representation is the only fair way to account for all groups in the United States without anyone being left behind.
Why should the blue counties rule over the grey counties? Who cares about empty land? Nobody lives in a lot of those places. Mountains, deserts, forests. For example lets look at one of the grey areas on your map, Nevada, which is like 90% unpopulated because of military bases, parks, grazing lands, indian reservations and other uses. Second of all, most of it is open desert with no jobs, no water or other amenities. Why should we give extra power over the government power to this setup? Why does this uninhabitable land deserve more power than actual American citizens?
Why should small towns with 100 people have dictatorial power over people living in cities who are powering the economy and pay taxes?
Americans should be in charge. American citizens should have power in America. Americans can live wherever, why should they lose power over their government based where they live? Handing extra power to empty land disenfranchises millions of people.
Why do liberals think turning small states into occupied territories with virtually no electoral power is any way to run a democracy?
I mean, if you think lines drawn by a government, in an ad hoc fashion over several centuries deserve more respect than human beings, I dunno if you can say you're someone who believes in personal liberty.
And apparently you don't think "all men are created equal" is a democratic norm here.
Hyperbole. States exist for a reason, that reason is to represent you and your interests. People in Idaho shouldn't have to rely on people thousands of miles away, who never interact with them nor think about them, to vote for their interests. Geography isn't outdated, it is still very real. Some states have different occupations, incomes, lifestyles, they are different people with different needs. Giving a handful of major groups in the U.S dictatorial power over the rest will never serve those who don't live in one of the 146 counties (out of over 3000) that host half the population.
Why should these blue counties rule over
all of the grey counties, and why on earth would we even think for a second that if they did rule over them, they would act in their interests rather than in their own? How often do you think about the needs of Lancaster county? They border me and even I don't.
Bottom line, state by state representation is the only fair way to account for all groups in the United States without anyone being left behind.
Why should the blue counties rule over the grey counties? Who cares about empty land? Nobody lives in a lot of those places. Mountains, deserts, forests. For example on area on your map, Nevada, is like 90% unpopulated because of military bases, parks, grazing lands, indian reservations and other uses. Why should we give extra power to this setup?
Why should small towns with 100 people have dictatorial power over people living in cities who are powering the economy and pay taxes?
Americans should be in charge. American citizens should have power in America. Americans can live wherever, why should they lose power over their government based where they live? Handing extra power to empty land disenfranchises millions of people.
We could always just get rid of some states. Dakota doesn't need to be two states. Utavada has a nice ring to it. Montidaho, Kansaska, Vermaine, Missiowa, New Mexizona, the combinations are endless!
Edit: And for God's sake give Toledo back to Michigan where it belongs!
I think the increasingly likely scenario here is Biden clearly wins (though way too close for comfort), Trump throws a hissy fit for a month, walks, and immediately starts barnstorming the country to run again in 2024. He's almost as dangerous as a martyr on the outside.
I think the increasingly likely scenario here is Biden clearly wins (though way too close for comfort), Trump throws a hissy fit for a month, walks, and immediately starts barnstorming the country to run again in 2024. He's almost as dangerous as a martyr on the outside.
I think interest in him as a potential future president will fade when he is in prison
I think the increasingly likely scenario here is Biden clearly wins (though way too close for comfort), Trump throws a hissy fit for a month, walks, and immediately starts barnstorming the country to run again in 2024. He's almost as dangerous as a martyr on the outside.
I think interest in him as a potential future president will fade when he is in prison
This is a resistance fever-dream. It isn't gonna happen.
They got to many others below the Don but I agree that the heads of criminal families often get away. Either way, if he loses, I don’t see him retaining sufficient interest to remain a credible political force himself - his relevance derived from the office. I’d be more worried about Eric.
I think the increasingly likely scenario here is Biden clearly wins (though way too close for comfort), Trump throws a hissy fit for a month, walks, and immediately starts barnstorming the country to run again in 2024. He's almost as dangerous as a martyr on the outside.
Maybe he'll start his own party. The I Was Robbed party (IWR).
They are now just declaring victory in states they have lost, are losing, or are probably going to lose. They are gonna huff and puff for awhile, but this shit is so ridiculous that I honestly don't think it will work. They are trying to do a replay of the Brooks Brothers Riot from 2000 at a Michigan vote counting center and they're being escorted out of the building. So far, the system is holding against their avalanche of bullshit. Sore losers typically aren't very popular, but then again, his median voter strikes me as someone who rages about the refs after every flag is thrown on Sunday afternoon.
Trump is DIRECTLY responsible for this, as are his remaining sycophants. How long before someone shows up with a gun??:
Like I've been saying, a significant portion of the country isn't remotely interested in the democratic process anymore. You see any Democratic Senate candidates bitching about their losses and making false claims?? You do not. Because both sides don't.
This is the core reason the man is unfit for the office. They obviously KNOW they are going to lose, or they wouldn't even bother doing this. And they've decided that shouldn't matter. This is what tens of millions of people voted for.
When I read that tweet by Josh Marshall that you posted, this is the immediate association that I made in my mind: "This is unlawful mob action (Chaotic Netural) to disrupt lawful vote counting. (Lawful Neutral)"
Every time I read the word "lawful", it reminds me of alignment.
I'm starting to realize that I've spent so much time on D&D that it's fried my brain.
MI is called. All over but the shouting. Since it will be by more than one vote, I do not have to travel to Michigan to buy Balrog99 dinner.
Who called MI? AP still has it as leading.
And what’s hilarious about those people attempting to stop the count... if the count is stopped, Trump loses. It just shows intelligence level.
So step one is nearly over. Time to bring on the recounts. This is where I am scared legal shenanigans are going to happen to tilt the election, but it’s a long shot it happens.
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The tenth amendment still exists. Plenty of power is still devolved to the states. That's how small states are protected from being "ruled over".
Your argument is incoherent. If you want to conflate having the office of the presidency with the ability to "rule over" the states, it doesn't follow that you can, via a capricious set of rules, win that ability to rule by convincing a smaller number of voters across the nation than the other side. Having a capricious set of rules for victory does nothing -- by themselves -- to protect geographically distinct regions from federal rule. Only constitutional injunctions, like the tenth amendment do. If anything, it's more troubling that one side could "rule over the states" with a narrow, jury-rigged minority, than with a legitimate majority.
If Biden wins but the Senate stays in GOP hands, the federal government will be paralyzed. The House can't pass bills if the Senate doesn't want a blue administration to get credit for anything.
This is just now a cold civil war between rural and urban America, and, to the same extent, educated and non-educated (at least in terms of post high school). It's completely entrenched, and I have no idea what can bridge the divide.
If you'd asked, I could have told you this years ago. Even ignoring the voters who will go out and protest with "sacrifice the weak" signs, there's a VERY LARGE number of religious conservative voters who go out of their way to ignore everything going on so they have plausible deniability and can vote for "their" party with a "clean" conscience. Bringing current events to their attention usually leads to confusion, anger, then denial. In that order.
That's assuming a Biden win and tie-breaking vote, of course. But it's definitely do-able. Will be interesting to see where Georgia falls in the prez race.
That's the thing, Democrats have not wanted to brainwash Americans while the right has a well funded and coordinated propaganda machine (Facebook, FOX News, and Sinclair broadcasting stations, prageru, the heritage foundation, pundits like Shapiro and Limbaugh, etc).
There's nothing on the left coordinating or funded the way that the corporate interests are on the right that are working together brainwashing Americans and filling their heads with hateful messaging.
Just gonna throw it out there that Clinton outspent Trump by double and Democrats have outspent Republicans by double this election season, although the Trump and Biden campaigns themselves are basically dead even.
Like it or not, the D's are the corporate money party now. Even Wall Street goes for them. How ironic is that, given that Republican justices green lit the practice.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/28/2020-election-spending-to-hit-nearly-14-billion-a-record.html
I would love it if they could take the senate but this feels like too much to hope for
Hasn't been much reported on it nationally, but John James (R) is really close to taking out Gary Peters (D) in Michigan. That would probably be the knock-out blow for the Dems if it happens...
Biden's very likely to be our next president, minus legal shenanigans that attempt to steal the election.
There is zero controversy about votes in Michigan. Trump is barking up the wrong tree here.
Why should the blue counties rule over the grey counties? Who cares about empty land? Nobody lives in a lot of those places. Mountains, deserts, forests. For example lets look at one of the grey areas on your map, Nevada, which is like 90% unpopulated because of military bases, parks, grazing lands, indian reservations and other uses. Second of all, most of it is open desert with no jobs, no water or other amenities. Why should we give extra power over the government power to this setup? Why does this uninhabitable land deserve more power than actual American citizens?
Why should small towns with 100 people have dictatorial power over people living in cities who are powering the economy and pay taxes?
Americans should be in charge. American citizens should have power in America. Americans can live wherever, why should they lose power over their government based where they live? Handing extra power to empty land disenfranchises millions of people.
We could always just get rid of some states. Dakota doesn't need to be two states. Utavada has a nice ring to it. Montidaho, Kansaska, Vermaine, Missiowa, New Mexizona, the combinations are endless!
Edit: And for God's sake give Toledo back to Michigan where it belongs!
I think interest in him as a potential future president will fade when he is in prison
This is a resistance fever-dream. It isn't gonna happen.
Edit: I meant Don Jr, sleep deprivation ...
Maybe he'll start his own party. The I Was Robbed party (IWR).
Trump is DIRECTLY responsible for this, as are his remaining sycophants. How long before someone shows up with a gun??:
Like I've been saying, a significant portion of the country isn't remotely interested in the democratic process anymore. You see any Democratic Senate candidates bitching about their losses and making false claims?? You do not. Because both sides don't.
This is the core reason the man is unfit for the office. They obviously KNOW they are going to lose, or they wouldn't even bother doing this. And they've decided that shouldn't matter. This is what tens of millions of people voted for.
Counting must be stopped in:
1. PA (where he's leading, but could fall behind)
2. MI (where he can't catch up)
Counting must continue in:
1. AZ (where he's behind)
2. NV (where's he's behind)
Recount in:
1. Wisconsin (where he lost)
Joe Biden just gave a speech about unification.
No mention of him trying to stop people's votes from being counted.
Every time I read the word "lawful", it reminds me of alignment.
I'm starting to realize that I've spent so much time on D&D that it's fried my brain.
Who called MI? AP still has it as leading.
And what’s hilarious about those people attempting to stop the count... if the count is stopped, Trump loses. It just shows intelligence level.
So step one is nearly over. Time to bring on the recounts. This is where I am scared legal shenanigans are going to happen to tilt the election, but it’s a long shot it happens.