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  • RawgrimRawgrim Member Posts: 621

    iasson said:

    Someone makes a new black car. Will i buy it? No. Why? i dont like black cars. Someone comes to my home, takes my white car away and leaves me the black car. Now i dont like the black car at all but since my white car is no more i dont have a choice. So i complain about it. Still sounds illogical? to bad then, i cant help you further, please reach for professional help!

    Beamdog broke into your home, stole your personally owned pre-existing copies of the original versions of the Baldur's Gate games, replaced your personally owned pre-existing copies of the original versions of the Baldur's Gate games with the Enhanced Editions, then forced you against your will to play the Enhanced Editions, so you're posting on this forum to complain about what Beamdog personally did to you and that's why if others don't agree with your personal narrative you suggest they seek "professional help"?! Is there something I missed?...
    Actually they sold people the EE games. They were pretty damn good, all in all. Then they decided to patch them and change them completely, and denied the user a way to revert to a pre 2.0 patch.

    In other words they sold you something, and then altered it substantially after you had gotten it.
  • RawgrimRawgrim Member Posts: 621
    iasson said:

    what was the OBVIOUS way to handle an EE version? LEAVE it as it bloody WAS. DON'T mess with it.

    The thing is, with PSTEE, this is exactly what Beamdog did. So the reasonable position would be something like "I hate BGEE and BG2EE and SoD, but I'll hand it to them, they did the right thing with PSTEE (and maybe also IWDEE)." You lose all credibility if you can't give credit where credit's due.

    The EE version of PS:T is messed with. If you play classic mode, you still get the new menu system for attack and all that. In the old version you had to right click to bring that up so...It is messed with.

    The character sprites in classic mode look way worse than they did in the old game too. This is also the case in the BG EE games as well. You either get the cartoony blobs for sprites, or gainy pixel sprites. So that has been messed with too.

    Beamdog calling it a "unaltered version" isn't completely honest.
    iasson
  • ValamirCleaverValamirCleaver Member Posts: 184
    Rawgrim said:

    Actually they sold people the EE games. They were pretty damn good, all in all. Then they decided to patch them and change them completely, and denied the user a way to revert to a pre 2.0 patch. In other words they sold you something, and then altered it substantially after you had gotten it.

    I still have my backups of the pre 2.0 patch versions of the games. Did Beamdog some how deprive anyone of their previously backed up pre 2.0 patch versions of the games and then force them to play the post 2.0 patch versions of the games?
  • RawgrimRawgrim Member Posts: 621

    Rawgrim said:

    Actually they sold people the EE games. They were pretty damn good, all in all. Then they decided to patch them and change them completely, and denied the user a way to revert to a pre 2.0 patch. In other words they sold you something, and then altered it substantially after you had gotten it.

    I still have my backups of the pre 2.0 patch versions of the games. Did Beamdog some how deprive anyone of their previously backed up pre 2.0 patch versions of the games and then force them to play the post 2.0 patch versions of the games?
    Kind of. I doubt they informed their customers that "if you patch this game, the whole look of it will be altered". I don't remember any suggestions about backing up the previous versions either.

    This is easily fixed, though. Just make the unpatched version and individual patches available for manual downloading and problem solved. With that huge of a change the 2.0 patch adds, it should be optional really.
    iasson
  • iassoniasson Member Posts: 101
    edited April 2017
    @ValamirCleaver

    Beamdog broke into your home, stole your personally owned pre-existing copies of the original versions of the Baldur's Gate games, replaced your personally owned pre-existing copies of the original versions of the Baldur's Gate games with the Enhanced Editions, then forced you against your will to play the Enhanced Editions, so you're posting on this forum to complain about what Beamdog personally did to you and that's why if others don't agree with your personal narrative you suggest they seek "professional help"?! Is there something I missed?...

    1) do you really keep your car into your home so someone needs to break in to get it?
    2) i post on this forum to explain why people hate beamdog and give their products negative reviews but you still refuse to listen, instead you dismiss every argument in a way that suggests you dont even bother to read it.
    3) i suggest seeking professional help to people that: dont read anything what i posted about and just hit the quote button keeping 1 word out of a 900 word post and then commenting something pompous that think that prove their PC point of view. its very much like what you did here exactly, you only kept the part of my post that served you, out of the context of the rest of my comment, and then proceeded to use that small part to write your comment thinking you bested me. now please, go seek professional help, u really need it. a tutor can easily teach you that this kind of argumentation isnt acceptable during a trade of opinions.
  • BelgarathMTHBelgarathMTH Member Posts: 5,653
    Wait a minute, isn't the original version still bundled with the EE on GoG? I play the original BG all the time - it's in my GoG library. I did buy it before it got bundled together with EE, though.

    If I'm right, it's completely untrue that a person can't still buy, download, and play the original versions of the games. If I'm wrong, then I guess I'm glad I bought my original versions on GoG years and years ago. I still have all my disks, too, from 1998.
    ValamirCleaver[Deleted User]
  • RawgrimRawgrim Member Posts: 621

    Wait a minute, isn't the original version still bundled with the EE on GoG? I play the original BG all the time - it's in my GoG library. I did buy it before it got bundled together with EE, though.

    If I'm right, it's completely untrue that a person can't still buy, download, and play the original versions of the games. If I'm wrong, then I guess I'm glad I bought my original versions on GoG years and years ago. I still have all my disks, too, from 1998.

    If you have it on GoG you get a code for the original game under "More" in your BG:EE menu in your Library on GoG.

    You can't buy the classics individually anymore, though. You have to buy the EE games to get the classics. Which means you have to pay quite a bit more for them.
  • iassoniasson Member Posts: 101

    Wait a minute, isn't the original version still bundled with the EE on GoG? I play the original BG all the time - it's in my GoG library. I did buy it before it got bundled together with EE, though.

    If I'm right, it's completely untrue that a person can't still buy, download, and play the original versions of the games. If I'm wrong, then I guess I'm glad I bought my original versions on GoG years and years ago. I still have all my disks, too, from 1998.

    it doest apply for the soundtrack on PST, sadly
  • RawgrimRawgrim Member Posts: 621
    iasson said:

    Wait a minute, isn't the original version still bundled with the EE on GoG? I play the original BG all the time - it's in my GoG library. I did buy it before it got bundled together with EE, though.

    If I'm right, it's completely untrue that a person can't still buy, download, and play the original versions of the games. If I'm wrong, then I guess I'm glad I bought my original versions on GoG years and years ago. I still have all my disks, too, from 1998.

    it doest apply for the soundtrack on PST, sadly
    Isn't the soundtrack for the classic version included anymore?
  • iassoniasson Member Posts: 101
    edited April 2017
    Rawgrim said:

    iasson said:

    Wait a minute, isn't the original version still bundled with the EE on GoG? I play the original BG all the time - it's in my GoG library. I did buy it before it got bundled together with EE, though.

    If I'm right, it's completely untrue that a person can't still buy, download, and play the original versions of the games. If I'm wrong, then I guess I'm glad I bought my original versions on GoG years and years ago. I still have all my disks, too, from 1998.

    it doest apply for the soundtrack on PST, sadly
    Isn't the soundtrack for the classic version included anymore?
    i hope it is, i will have to buy the EE instead of pirating it to find out, which isnt happening at 20euros, i find it to much for what it does. at 12-14euros i would consider buying it. its not about the money, its about what you get for paying the X amount. i have all witcher 1,2,3 hard copies, preorders and gog versions, cause CDPR did an amazing job and i had to reward them.

    but 20euros for a simple HD remake? will wait for a sale that sits on 8-10euros prolly.
  • RawgrimRawgrim Member Posts: 621
    The soundtrack is included in my library. But I had the classic version before it got removed from sale, so that might be why. The Soundtrack was included there.
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  • ValamirCleaverValamirCleaver Member Posts: 184
    Rawgrim said:

    I doubt they informed their customers that "if you patch this game, the whole look of it will be altered".

    You are correct, Beamdog did not directly communicate that, though there was forewarning of the change about 2 months ahead of time. Beamdog did a Twitch stream preview playthrough of the game back on February 5th, 2016 which clearly showed the change in the UI that was going to be incorporated in the 2.0 patch. I recall it specifically because I posted that I did not like the new UI & hoping that there would be an easy to revert to the previous UI via a menu selection (one that would not require modding to do so).
    https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/comment/706205/#Comment_706205
    https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/comment/706286/#Comment_706286

    Adul also commented on the change.
    https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/comment/706301/#Comment_706301

    begoshi even posted comparison pictures of the previous UI & the 2.0 UI.
    https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/comment/706329/#Comment_706329
    Just make the unpatched version and individual patches available for manual downloading and problem solved.
    I agree that this would be the best solution, but it's probably wouldn't be very cost effective for them to do so. Have you tried directly contacting Beamdog with such a request?
    With that huge of a change the 2.0 patch adds, it should be optional really.
    As I posted above, I posted that the UI change should be selectable via a menu option due to this drastic change.
    https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/comment/706286/#Comment_706286
    iasson said:

    1) do you really keep your car into your home so someone needs to break in to get it?

    I keep my truck parked in my garage with is part of my home. Therefore, yes, someone would have to engage in Breaking & Entering in addition to Grand Theft Auto if one wanted to steal my vehicle and replace it with one in a color I did not like in an attempt to try to remove my choice of color of vehicle that I would drive. In any event your choice of extremely exaggerated analogy is false & intellectually dishonest or would you really like others to believe that you keep your copies of the original versions of the Baldur's Gate games in your driveway, at the curb by your home or at whatever place you normally park you vehicle?
    2) i post on this forum to explain why people hate beamdog and give their products negative reviews but you still refuse to listen, instead you dismiss every argument in a way that suggests you dont even bother to read it.
    I obviously did read you trying to speak for everyone else which is why I pointed out as a fallacy.
    3) i suggest seeking professional help to people that:
    Are you a psychiatrist, psychologist or some other mental health professional? I doubt it because a mental health professional would be engaging in gross professional ethical negligence if they made such a fallacy in an attempt to "poison the well" in a web forum argument.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well
    dont read anything what i posted about and just hit the quote button keeping 1 word out of a 900 word post and then commenting something pompous that think that prove their PC point of view. its very much like what you did here exactly, you only kept the part of my post that served you, out of the context of the rest of my comment, and then proceeded to use that small part to write your comment thinking you bested me.
    You're not purposely formatting you arguments in a way that corresponds with your personal opinion and ignoring any relevant parts that would weaken it?
    now please, go seek professional help, u really need it. a tutor can easily teach you that this kind of argumentation isnt acceptable during a trade of opinions.
    See my previous point above regarding mental health professionals engaging in gross professional ethical negligence.
    Rawgrim said:

    You can't buy the classics individually anymore, though. You have to buy the EE games to get the classics. Which means you have to pay quite a bit more for them.

    Can't buy the classics individually anymore? Have to pay quite a bit more for them?
    https://www.amazon.com/Planescape-Torment-Pc/dp/B002TOKQIG
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Plane-Scape-Torment-PC-DVD/dp/B002TOKQIG
    https://www.amazon.com/Baldurs-Gate-Box-Set-Compilation/dp/B000FGA1US/
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Baldurs-Gate-Box-Set-DVD/dp/B002TOKQH2/
    https://www.amazon.com/Icewind-Dale-Boxset-Heart-Winter-II/dp/B000FGBVAC/
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/PC-Video-Games/Interplay-Icewind-Dale-3-1-Compilation-DVD/B002TOKQI6/
    iasson said:

    i hope it is, i will have to buy the EE instead of pirating it to find out, which isnt happening at 20euros, i find it to much for what it does. but 20euros for a simple HD remake? will wait for a sale that sits on 8-10euros prolly.

    20 Euros?
    https://www.amazon.com/Planescape-Torment-Pc/dp/B002TOKQIG
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Plane-Scape-Torment-PC-DVD/dp/B002TOKQIG
    https://www.amazon.com/Baldurs-Gate-Box-Set-Compilation/dp/B000FGA1US/
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Baldurs-Gate-Box-Set-DVD/dp/B002TOKQH2/
    https://www.amazon.com/Icewind-Dale-Boxset-Heart-Winter-II/dp/B000FGBVAC/
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/PC-Video-Games/Interplay-Icewind-Dale-3-1-Compilation-DVD/B002TOKQI6/
    [Deleted User]
  • iassoniasson Member Posts: 101
    edited April 2017
    @ValamirCleaver

    thank you very much proving once again that you: a) reply without reading and understanding, b) quoting out of context.

    FACTS:

    a)
    iasson said:

    3) i suggest seeking professional help to people that:

    Are you a psychiatrist, psychologist or some other mental health professional? I doubt it because a mental health professional would be engaging in gross professional ethical negligence if they made such a fallacy in an attempt to "poison the well" in a web forum argument. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well

    i was referring to a debate instructor but you dint quote my whole sentence and proceeded to assume i was referring to a shrink just to prove your point. furthermore giving wikipedia as a reference is really sad.

    b)
    iasson said:

    You can't buy the classics individually anymore, though. You have to buy the EE games to get the classics. Which means you have to pay quite a bit more for them.

    in case it isnt obvious to you THOSE links are about LIMITED COPIES, so any time the can STOP BEING FOR SALE.
    iasson said:

    i hope it is, i will have to buy the EE instead of pirating it to find out, which isnt happening at 20euros, i find it to much for what it does. but 20euros for a simple HD remake? will wait for a sale that sits on 8-10euros prolly.

    those ARENT the EE version i refer to in my quote. you FAILED AGAIN to read what i typed.

    so after those FACTS about your debate methods i stop replying to you, you are not worth a healthy conversation.

    P.S. you have a bright future as an SJW though, your methods are withing their standards for sure)
  • iassoniasson Member Posts: 101
    edited April 2017
    @subtledoctor


    Setting aside the rest of your trolling post, it's worth mentioning that this whole thread is about dishonest reactions to PSTEE. That's what I was taking about. If you're not posting anything relevant to the thread topic, then why are you posting at all...?

    quoting again out of context as usual, but i will reply to you one last time, cause now its obvious to anyone with half a brain that you cant handle a proper argumentation. what you can do at best is taking one random line and structuring a complete random argument just to feel satisfied.

    now to answer your question: the post is about negative reviews about PSTee. ok. and i told you TWO times already that: beamdog gained hate with BGee and more hate with BGee:SotDS. now people just throw negative reviews about PSTee and any other beamdog product to punish them for their past choices.

    can you understand that? i dont care if you agree with the guerilla tactics that beamdog is facing, i simply ask you, if you can possibly understand. if you do understand what the reason we can talk more, and you will see that i dont agree either with the negative reviews PSTee is getting.

    i only gave PSTee 3/5 cause a) soundtrack isnt free and 20 euros is way to much for what it offers, b) it made the original obsolete. therefore taking 1 star for every negative point i rated it 3/5.

    P.S. i understand your need to jump in your bandwagon and defend your safe space, but once in a while you have to read what other people say before replying.
  • TressetTresset Member, Moderator Posts: 8,262
    Back on topic people!

    The user @iasson was banned for software piracy. We have a zero tolerance policy of software piracy on this site.
    JuliusBorisovPekingduckman
  • RawgrimRawgrim Member Posts: 621
    edited April 2017

    Rawgrim said:

    I doubt they informed their customers that "if you patch this game, the whole look of it will be altered".

    You are correct, Beamdog did not directly communicate that, though there was forewarning of the change about 2 months ahead of time. Beamdog did a Twitch stream preview playthrough of the game back on February 5th, 2016 which clearly showed the change in the UI that was going to be incorporated in the 2.0 patch. I recall it specifically because I posted that I did not like the new UI & hoping that there would be an easy to revert to the previous UI via a menu selection (one that would not require modding to do so).
    https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/comment/706205/#Comment_706205
    https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/comment/706286/#Comment_706286


    I agree that this would be the best solution, but it's probably wouldn't be very cost effective for them to do so. Have you tried directly contacting Beamdog with such a request?

    Rawgrim said:

    You can't buy the classics individually anymore, though. You have to buy the EE games to get the classics. Which means you have to pay quite a bit more for them.

    Can't buy the classics individually anymore? Have to pay quite a bit more for them?
    https://www.amazon.com/Planescape-Torment-Pc/dp/B002TOKQIG
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Plane-Scape-Torment-PC-DVD/dp/B002TOKQIG
    https://www.amazon.com/Baldurs-Gate-Box-Set-Compilation/dp/B000FGA1US/
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Baldurs-Gate-Box-Set-DVD/dp/B002TOKQH2/
    https://www.amazon.com/Icewind-Dale-Boxset-Heart-Winter-II/dp/B000FGBVAC/
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/PC-Video-Games/Interplay-Icewind-Dale-3-1-Compilation-DVD/B002TOKQI6/

    1. Not everyone hangs out on the Beamdog forums every day. Nor does a lot of people use twitch. So quite a few people would miss that "warning" right off the bat. An e-mail would have worked wonders though?

    2. Yes I did ask Beamdog about it. I think I spoke to Dee about it. He just said he would make a note of it or something like that. The game isn't that big, so adding a few extra gigabytes for download isn't that costly.

    3. Yes I know you can buy the game on amazon and all that. BUT the GoG versions were fixed to work on newer systems. The physical copies are absolutely not. So it is more of a gamble to get those working or not. The GoG versions were a LOT more practical and now they are unavailable. More or less held hostage by Beamdog\Hasbro. It is kind of like "If you want to buy Robocop on bluray, you have to pay 3 times as much for the remake. If you do this you get the classic".
  • ValamirCleaverValamirCleaver Member Posts: 184
    edited May 2017
    Rawgrim said:

    BUT the GoG versions were fixed to work on newer systems. The physical copies are absolutely not. So it is more of a gamble to get those working or not.

    BiG World Setup makes it to apply multiple mods to any version of the all pre-Enhanced Edition Infinity Engine games, it also works on all the Enhanced Editions other than Planescape. I've personally used it successfully on both the optical disc & the GOG versions on multiple occasions including the disc sets that I purchased on Amazon and on every version of Windows from XP to 10. I've used BiG World Setup since 2006 if my memory serves me correctly.
    https://www.gog.com/forum/general/definitive_edition_bundle_baldurs_gate_i_ii_icewind_dale_cabe2/post189
    https://www.gog.com/forum/general/definitive_edition_bundle_baldurs_gate_i_ii_icewind_dale_cabe2/post537
    https://www.gog.com/forum/general/definitive_edition_bundle_baldurs_gate_i_ii_icewind_dale_cabe2/post538
    https://www.gog.com/forum/general/definitive_edition_bundle_baldurs_gate_i_ii_icewind_dale_cabe2/post539
    https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/44476/tool-big-world-setup-bws-mod-manager-for-baldurs-gate-enhanced-edition-trilogy-for-windows/p1

    I've given you information that directly addresses your stated concern regarding the stability of the disc based versions in comparison to the GOG versions, you won't know firsthand until you try.
    The GoG versions were a LOT more practical and now they are unavailable. More or less held hostage by Beamdog\Hasbro. More or less held hostage by Beamdog\Hasbro. It is kind of like "If you want to buy Robocop on bluray, you have to pay 3 times as much for the remake. If you do this you get the classic".
    As has been stated earlier in this very thread, but I'll repeat it in case you missed it; Hasbro controls the IP, therefore I seriously doubt either Beamdog or GOG can legally unilaterally make the previous editions of the Infinity Engine games only available with the Enhanced Editions.
    https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/comment/869082/#Comment_869082
    https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/comment/871338/#Comment_871338
    https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/comment/871361/#Comment_871361
    https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/comment/871397/#Comment_871397
    https://www.gog.com/news/definitive_edition_bundle_baldurs_gate_i_ii_icewind_dale
    https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/comment/871504/#Comment_871504
    https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/comment/871533/#Comment_871533
    https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/comment/871599/#Comment_871599

    Have you considered doing something more proactive and directly contacting the IP owner, Wizards of the Coast/Hasbro, with your concerns?
    https://www.gog.com/forum/general/definitive_edition_bundle_baldurs_gate_i_ii_icewind_dale_cabe2/post351
    https://www.gog.com/forum/general/definitive_edition_bundle_baldurs_gate_i_ii_icewind_dale_cabe2/post411
    https://www.gog.com/forum/planescape_torment/buy_it_while_you_can/post59
    https://www.gog.com/forum/baldurs_gate_series/info_on_possibly_getting_the_classics_unbundled/post1
    Post edited by ValamirCleaver on
  • RawgrimRawgrim Member Posts: 621


    I've given you information that directly addresses your stated concern regarding the stability of the disc based versions in comparison to the GOG versions, you won't know firsthand until you try.



    Have you considered doing something more proactive and directly contacting the IP owner, Wizards of the Coast/Hasbro, with your concerns?


    I have tried the disc versions with mods and all that. They crash a LOT.

    I have contacted WOTC 2 times. Others I know have done the same too. Nobody has gotten a reply from them.

    I doubt GoG is behind the bundling though. Why remove their best selling games from the store? Bad business.

  • RawgrimRawgrim Member Posts: 621
    Tresset said:

    Back on topic people!

    The user @iasson was banned for software piracy. We have a zero tolerance policy of software piracy on this site.

    Lucky for you that he got happened to mention piracy. I got a 3 point warning in one go from you for simply "saying something I had said before". Do you give warnings like that to people who say they loved a game 4-5 times too?
  • JuliusBorisovJuliusBorisov Member, Administrator, Moderator, Developer Posts: 22,714
    @Rawgrim

    Moderators' decisions are not up to any discussion. If you have any questions on your warning, ask them in PMs.

    It wasn't lucky. It was very unfortunate and bad that he supported piracy.
  • RawgrimRawgrim Member Posts: 621

    @Rawgrim

    Moderators' decisions are not up to any discussion. If you have any questions on your warning, ask them in PMs.

    It wasn't lucky. It was very unfortunate and bad that he supported piracy.

    I did dispute the warnings. Never got a reply.

    I meant lucky for the mods that he mentioned it so they could get rid of him.

    If he has pirated the games, though, he has no right to complain about the quality of them. It is like stealing a car and then calling the owner to yell at him because the gas-tank wasn't full.
    fkirenicus
  • ValamirCleaverValamirCleaver Member Posts: 184
    Rawgrim said:

    I have tried the disc versions with mods and all that. They crash a LOT.

    Have you tried it using BiG World Setup to install the mods as I posted above? BiG World Setup insures the mods and individual mod elements are installed in the correct order. If the mods and individual mod elements are not installed in the correct order there maybe stability issues up and including crashing. I've personally used BiG World Setup successfully on both the optical disc & the GOG versions on multiple occasions including the disc sets that I purchased on Amazon and on every version of Windows from XP to 10. I've used BiG World Setup since 2006 if my memory serves me correctly.

    Have you tried it using BiG World Setup to install the mods as I posted above? You won't know firsthand until you do so.
    Rawgrim said:

    I have contacted WOTC 2 times. Others I know have done the same too. Nobody has gotten a reply from them.

    I wouldn't be so quick to assume nobody :

    https://www.gog.com/forum/baldurs_gate_series/info_on_possibly_getting_the_classics_unbundled/post1
    "Subject
    Baldur's Gate, etc and GOG.com

    Response By Email (Ed) (05/02/2016 08:34 AM)
    Hi,

    Thank you for contacting us. We appreciate your taking the time to share your feedback with us regarding Baldur'sGate.

    Consumer satisfaction is very important to us. Please be assured I have forwarded your comments to my management team so that they are also aware of your views.

    I want to assure you that all of us at Hasbro are dedicated to maintaining quality products and service. We hope you and your family will continue to enjoy our products for many years to come.

    Again, thank you for contacting us, and for your feedback.

    Kind regards,
    Customer By CSS Web (04/30/2016 10:52 PM)
    This is in regards to the bundling of classic Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 and Icewind Dale with the EE (Enhanced Edition) versions from Beamdog on GOG.com. I'd just like to say that I and many others aren't happy that we can't buy, review, rate, etc the classics separately anymore. We don't want the EE versions, but if we don't already own the classics we have to pay twice the price (was $9.99 for classics, $19.99 for EEs) to get them *and* support games and a company we're not interested in.

    The classics were in the top sellers list, as you can see here (I have to use the Archive website because the classics are no longer shown separately on GOG since being bundled): https://web.archive.org/web/20160416185118/https://www.gog.com/games?sort=bestselling&page=1
    I don't know where the EEs are in the list, but they've been around long enough to get the positions they deserve. This is seen by myself and many others as nothing more than a way for Beamdog to make extra sales from people who don't even want their editions, not to mention boosting their ratings and position in the Best Seller list artificially.

    Here is the announcement on GOG about the merging of the classics into the EE versions, as nothing more than a bonus, and the many and varied comments (some have no problem, some are very upset and won't ever buy the EE versions even if they don't already own the classics):
    https://www.gog.com/forum/general/definitive_edition_bundle_baldurs_gate_i_ii_icewind_dale_cabe2

    Please allow the classics to be sold separately again. Thank you.

    Date Created: 04/30/2016 10:52 PM
    Date Last Updated: 05/02/2016 08:34 AM
    Status: Solved
    --end of email-- "
    I doubt GoG is behind the bundling though. Why remove their best selling games from the store? Bad business.
    Where did I claim that GOG was behind the bundling? In fact I posted that ultimately the final decisions rests with the IP owners, Hasbro. In fact this was referenced in part of the announcement on GOG regarding the bundling :

    https://www.gog.com/news/definitive_edition_bundle_baldurs_gate_i_ii_icewind_dale
    "The team at Beamdog was able to breathe a new life into the Infinity Engine classics." says Greg Tito, Communications Director for Dungeons & Dragons "We're proud to recognize their excellent work in offering the best possible experience and support for these legendary titles. We want these to become the definitive editions – featuring both the enhanced and classic versions of the games."
  • RawgrimRawgrim Member Posts: 621

    Have you tried it using BiG World Setup to install the mods as I posted above? You won't know firsthand until you do so.


    I wouldn't be so quick to assume nobody :

    I honestly can't say if I have tried THAT mod or not. It is quite awhile ago and I just don't remember.

    The "nobody" thing I wrote was a poor choice of word. I meant myself and the people I know. So "Nobody" of us got a reply. Sorry for the confusion there.
  • arthrudecastroarthrudecastro Member Posts: 6
    I find this topic again. And just to point again some things about "purchasing the original versions":
    I guess that is you who also posted those links on some places on GOG. Man, did you know that those are a limited number of copies (this means they arent there forever, btw)? Did you know that some people can't afford a purchase on Amazon due to a lot of costs with international transactions and other taxes? Also, the product can get more taxes when he is on the mail-service, so you ended up paying more to bring a physicial game from other country than buying it on some digital service. And you'll also need a international credit card, that is something not everyone have.

    GOG offers good payment methods locally, the digital service is practical. The decision of limiting the consumers options of purchase isn't something you should recive with kiss and hugs.

    Please, stop posting those links around, because only some places can afford that. If not, I guess I'll buy all those copies when I have an international credit card and a lot of money to spend. Perhaps, when this day comes, you'll see that we, in fact, can't have the original version of those games without buying the EE nowdays.

    But wait! Isn't that simple too: http://prntscr.com/f61jws Tell me, what should I do next?


    Rawgrim
  • PekingduckmanPekingduckman Member Posts: 151
    Sorry for necroing the thread, but I just reported the abusive GOG Mix to support. They have found it to be a violation of GOG TOS, and has since deleted it.
    JuliusBorisov[Deleted User]megamike15
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