Is there any hint that Adventure Y would tie up some loose ends concerning BG1 NPCs that did not make it to BG2? Like Branwen, Yeslik, Alora, Xan? Especially considering that some of these (Xan and Branwen) are joinable NPCs during the tutorial, but are not joinable in game. Also, it would be a good chance to "fix" in time other NPCs we do see in BG2.
How was it Montaron got caught by Harpers? How is it that Edwin started working for the Shadow Thieves? And how the hell Ajantis got trapped into Fierkraag's grand scheme? I hope AY will address at least some of these issues. I find it pretty annoying that there is no mention of my favorite dwarven cleric, for one.
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Many of the NPC's obviously already have to have gone to Amn ahead of you, so I'd be surprised if we learn exactly how Edwin got in with the Thieves, maybe just mention him learning about the scroll and going off in search of it. Xan says he's going back to Evereska or something in the tutorial, but I suppose that doesn't have to be regarded as canon at all. Other characters who aren't mentioned in BG2 though I'd say are completely fair game at this point.
Is there any hint that Adventure Y would tie up some loose ends concerning BG1 NPCs that did not make it to BG2? Like Branwen, Yeslik, Alora, Xan? Especially considering that some of these (Xan and Branwen) are joinable NPCs during the tutorial, but are not joinable in game. Also, it would be a good chance to "fix" in time other NPCs we do see in BG2.
How was it Montaron got caught by Harpers? How is it that Edwin started working for the Shadow Thieves? And how the hell Ajantis got trapped into Fierkraag's grand scheme? I hope AY will address at least some of these issues. I find it pretty annoying that there is no mention of my favorite dwarven cleric, for one.
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Many of the NPC's obviously already have to have gone to Amn ahead of you, so I'd be surprised if we learn exactly how Edwin got in with the Thieves, maybe just mention him learning about the scroll and going off in search of it. Xan says he's going back to Evereska or something in the tutorial, but I suppose that doesn't have to be regarded as canon at all. Other characters who aren't mentioned in BG2 though I'd say are completely fair game at this point.
Also, some of the reasons where actually explained.. I remember just two though (it has been a while and I won't start BG2EE before playing BGY =P)
According to my memory you where held prisoner for quite some time and Ajantis used that time to return to his teacher/knight, Keldorn. After hearing about trouble in the Windspear hills he -and some other knights/knight-trainees get sent there by the order at a similar time as you where. Firkraag then used illusions so that both groups ( Team Pala and Team Charname) see each other as foul beasts and thus think the other group is responsible for the trouble..
After Xzar and Montaron reported to the Zhents about the happenings in BG, there where sent to find out more about the Harpers (maybe because a Bhaals-child has help from them), found the chapter in Athkatla and tried to spy there (with known results)
...That info is combined from info about the background of the characters and dialogue in BG2 ^^
[...] Many of the NPC's obviously already have to have gone to Amn ahead of you, so I'd be surprised if we learn exactly how Edwin got in with the Thieves, maybe just mention him learning about the scroll and going off in search of it. Xan says he's going back to Evereska or something in the tutorial, but I suppose that doesn't have to be regarded as canon at all. Other characters who aren't mentioned in BG2 though I'd say are completely fair game at this point.
I agree with you, but since at the end of Adventure Y, CHARNAME will likely be captured by David Warner disguised as a mage, it seems understandable that some NPCs will try and rescue him/her. They might have tried looking around for CHARNAME, they might have hired someone to help them in the search, if anything. So it is totally feasible that some characters might have followed CHARNAME to Athkatla, or at least tried to (for all we know, they could have died in AY's final battle or following CHARNAME's kidnapping at the hand of Irenicus. Of course, selfish NPCs like Edwin might have joined the Shadow Thieves just as a means to increase their personal power, but then again it is never fully explained why Edwin is considered a rebel in Thay, exiled and haunted down. It's these subtle things I'd like to have addressed, of course if possible. I'm going to buy Adventure Y anyway, even if it is a remake of Tetris, just with sidequests.
Maybe for some time. I have been thinking lately about why none of the other NPC's came after you after you disappeared. Although it does seem like most the NPC's you meet again in 2 were unaware of what happened and were busy going about their own business.
Maybe for some time. I have been thinking lately about why none of the other NPC's came after you after you disappeared. Although it does seem like most the NPC's you meet again in 2 where unaware of what happened and were busy going about their own business.
I think a lot of this was written in such a way as to ease new players into BG2 without having to know anything about the previous story (the "memory loss" issues mentioned in Chateau Irenicus and elsewhere throughout the game, for instance). If you pick up every storyline where it left off a new player would feel overwhelmed by backstory they don't know. If everyone treats you like a distant acquaintance though, you get to ask questions like, "What have you been up to?" or "Who are you again?"
Maybe for some time. I have been thinking lately about why none of the other NPC's came after you after you disappeared. Although it does seem like most the NPC's you meet again in 2 where unaware of what happened and were busy going about their own business.
I think a lot of this was written in such a way as to ease new players into BG2 without having to know anything about the previous story (the "memory loss" issues mentioned in Chateau Irenicus and elsewhere throughout the game, for instance). If you pick up every storyline where it left off a new player would feel overwhelmed by backstory they don't know. If everyone treats you like a distant acquaintance though, you get to ask questions like, "What have you been up to?" or "Who are you again?"
This is true. But it does seem like a lot of the NPC's really didn't know anything about you being captured and have been engaged in their own stuff for quite a while. It is quite a coincidence them all showing up in Amn though... did someone just arrange a big field trip there without you? That's not nice.
You can probably attribute all your friends being in Amn as divine intervention, the gods are very interested in you and they probably wanted to make sure their agents were there to guide you on whatever path they wish you to walk.
@wubble It is common for people to deem the coincidential reunion of a friend or ally as "divine intervention" but truth be told, unless your ascension benefits their interests, I doubt that is the case. I know for a fact that Cyric is interested in the spawn of Bhaal because as the true successor of Baal, one of them might take his portfolio as Lord of Murder, and I doubt he would want to be replaced.
@wubble@BladeDancer There are also other potential interests for the gods: Attaining a powerful follower in Ferûn (since your presence seems to power up ppl pretty fast) Or a god could think that whatever you do, you WILL weaken Cyric - some divine interests are hard to see esily. (Which makes it fun - for me- to make theories about them =P)
Another possibility is that organizations (Harpers, Zhentarim and whatnot) simply wish to check a potential danger. Mhmm.. Maybe I will write a theory for every returning character
@Arcanis Besides, after what happened to them during the Time of Troubles, I seriously doubt many good aligned gods would intervene into CHARNAME's affairs, it suggests they are trying to steer him/her down a path they want him to take, and the reason why Ao made most of the gods mortal during the Time of Troubles is to teach them the folly of habitually pursuing power for personal gain.
@BladeDancer Doesn't Cyric say, that Ao forbid the gods from intervening (directly) in ToB?
Well, after the Time of Troubles, there power was completly dependent on the ammount of believers, so I have to say that this decision would increase their interest in the Bhaalspawn.. He is influental, his adventuring party gets more and more powerful with each passing day and he MAY become a god himself. Hell, you meet Elminster every 5 minutes in part 1 and a couple of times in part 2 (if memory serves). He is a man that prefers to stay out of conflict so I always assumed he was there because Mystra is interested in this whole affair.. (Which is also a good excuse for Neera to be their.. Mystra used WM to get her close to the Bhaalspawn, kinda like a helping hand -since Elminster can't get too involved or his enemys would target you.. and it would be an too obvious interest of Mystra there.)
EDIT: Ok that's it.. before I derail this threat further I will just go over there and start a thread about reasoning for NPC's/Gods/Fractions involvment. It is a bit of topic here ^^'
I've seen a lot of speculation so far on this thread, but what do we know for sure so far? I don't want to get my hopes up by imagining this game as one thing and then getting something completely different
I've seen a lot of speculation so far on this thread, but what do we know for sure so far? I don't want to get my hopes up by imagining this game as one thing and then getting something completely different
Now THAT is an enemy that really inspires absolute dread. You don't know whether to step under it for shade or to hurl a fireball at it. Decisions, decisions . . .
@AstroBryGuy Is . . . Is that gazebo . . . ALIVE???
I feel like an idiot for asking this, but is that a legit screenshot from Adventure Y? It looks like BGEE based on the sidebars.
It could be undead...
It's also apparently immune to whatever weapons Abdel and Persephone were using. I think they need the Hammer of Home Improvement +5 to hurt it.
I'll buy Adventure Y just for that if it's actually in the game. Due to the fact that one of the companions (Halen?) has 6 HP total, I'd say that it's not actually from the game that is supposed to take place after Sarevok's death. That would make even less sense than an undead gazebo that's immune to most damage!
I've seen a lot of speculation so far on this thread, but what do we know for sure so far? I don't want to get my hopes up by imagining this game as one thing and then getting something completely different
Aghh, I can't remember off the top of my head, but there was definitely some kind of animate structure that was actually a monster in one of the older rulesets (I remember reading about it on the list of stupid DnD monsters). I would love if this were real and "murderous gazebo doppelganger" was a new encounter!
There are Mimics, which are creatures that disguise themselves as beds, doors, or treasure chests... anything up to 5x5x6 feet, so I guess a small gazebo is possible.
EDIT: New information: apparentlt Mimics have larger relatives. An old DnD adventure apparently featured 'house hunters', who were a pack of Mimics basically disguised as an entire village to trap adventurers. Forgotten Realms also has had the 'Greater Mimic' which is largely than a normal Mimic.
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I remember just two though (it has been a while and I won't start BG2EE before playing BGY =P)
to return to his teacher/knight, Keldorn. After hearing about trouble in the Windspear hills he -and some
other knights/knight-trainees get sent there by the order at a similar time as you where. Firkraag then
used illusions so that both groups ( Team Pala and Team Charname) see each other as foul beasts and thus
think the other group is responsible for the trouble..
After Xzar and Montaron reported to the Zhents about the happenings in BG, there where sent to find
out more about the Harpers (maybe because a Bhaals-child has help from them), found the chapter
in Athkatla and tried to spy there (with known results)
...That info is combined from info about the background of the characters and dialogue in BG2 ^^
I'm going to buy Adventure Y anyway, even if it is a remake of Tetris, just with sidequests.
Jealous, jealous, jealous!
I think you have discovered an effective new torture device. I will tell you anything you want to know. Only please let me in!
There are also other potential interests for the gods:
Attaining a powerful follower in Ferûn (since your presence seems to power up ppl pretty fast)
Or a god could think that whatever you do, you WILL weaken Cyric - some divine interests are hard
to see esily. (Which makes it fun - for me- to make theories about them =P)
Another possibility is that organizations (Harpers, Zhentarim and whatnot) simply wish to check
a potential danger.
Mhmm.. Maybe I will write a theory for every returning character
Well, after the Time of Troubles, there power was completly dependent on the ammount of believers, so
I have to say that this decision would increase their interest in the Bhaalspawn..
He is influental, his adventuring party gets more and more powerful with each passing day and he MAY
become a god himself.
Hell, you meet Elminster every 5 minutes in part 1 and a couple of times in part 2 (if memory serves).
He is a man that prefers to stay out of conflict so I always assumed he was there because Mystra is
interested in this whole affair..
(Which is also a good excuse for Neera to be their.. Mystra used WM to get her close to the Bhaalspawn,
kinda like a helping hand -since Elminster can't get too involved or his enemys would target you.. and
it would be an too obvious interest of Mystra there.)
EDIT:
Ok that's it.. before I derail this threat further I will just go over there and start a thread about reasoning
for NPC's/Gods/Fractions involvment.
It is a bit of topic here ^^'
http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/comment/566404/#Comment_566404
I feel like an idiot for asking this, but is that a legit screenshot from Adventure Y? It looks like BGEE based on the sidebars.
http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/comment/566404/#Comment_566404
It's also apparently immune to whatever weapons Abdel and Persephone were using. I think they need the Hammer of Home Improvement +5 to hurt it.
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/animateObjects.htm (the spell is in 2E too, but the 3E SRD is easier to link)
EDIT: New information: apparentlt Mimics have larger relatives. An old DnD adventure apparently featured 'house hunters', who were a pack of Mimics basically disguised as an entire village to trap adventurers. Forgotten Realms also has had the 'Greater Mimic' which is largely than a normal Mimic.