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The Adventurer's Lounge: Guidance and Support for No Reload Challengers- Newbie or Veteran

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  • kjeronkjeron Member Posts: 1,325
    @JuliusBorisov
    Tested in 2.3, not beta.
    v2.5b has a partial fix. The dispel was moved up above most effects so that it works properly. It is still preceeded by a few opcode 206 effects, though they may be redundant now, the potion is still dispelling them.

    Wise_Grimwaldlolien
  • semiticgodsemiticgod Member, Moderator Posts: 10,118
    I've started over in IWD2 with a solo character in normal mode. We just finished taking down the Horde Fortress and are at cleric level 13. Mod items are allowed in this run, so we spend 120,000 gold buying the Harper Pin, which grants the effects of the Shield spell plus Non-Detection, 15- electricity resistance, and +5 to all saving throws. That pin is one of the few ways we can boost our AC without resorting to taking expensive mage levels.

    Playing as a cleric seems much more viable than a sorcerer in normal mode. Without access to Vghotan's Band or the Golden Heart of Charname (which only show up in HoF mode), you need 7 cleric levels to cast Freedom of Movement in normal mode, and that's the only way we can deal with all of the many, many Hold Person spells. By the time we started seeing charm spells, we had a ring of charm immunity, then Chaotic Commands.

    I've discovered that the top of the Horde Fortress, the one with 81 total enemies in HoF mode (30 archers, 10 spellcasters, and 41 melee fighters), is indeed viable for a solo character, provided you're a cleric and have done some level-squatting. If you can make it to level 13, you can cast Holy Word, which stuns all enemies for 1 round.

    But lower-level enemies get stunned for even longer. Anything below level 8 is stunned for 10 whole rounds! This means that with some extremely careful movement and positioning, you can actually use hit-and-fade tactics with Holy Word and Sanctuary to freeze the enemy herd, kill a single spellcaster, then vanish using Sanctuary and slip out.

    It's actually very dependent on the character build. Frisky Bits was able to deal an extra 5d6 acid damage thanks to a mod-introduced or mod-altered bastard sword, and since they're a cleric of Ilmater, they also get Holy Word as a domain spell, which means one extra casting. Other characters might need to rely more heavily on Greater Command, which is already very important for holding down the bigger enemies (the stronger fighters in that area are level 8 and only get stunned for 1 round).

    It only got us about 150-200 Arrows of Fire out of a potential 375, which cost us tens of thousands of gold, but that was just barely enough to get us the Harper Pin.

    For a HoF character with Tactics bonuses, a high-level cleric could spam Holy Word indefinitely. None of the enemies have any spell resistance, so it's a perfect way to neutralize those game-ending Dispel Magic and Icelance spells.

    I'm feeling good about the run. Once we hit cleric level 15, we'll have access to Holy Aura and therefore 15 rounds of 50 SR, enough to block virtually any spell that does not bypass SR by default (like Icelance and Dispel Magic). If we collect some important mod items, we can import Frisky Bits back to Targos in HoF mode, which means we'll be able to re-try HoF mode in much better condition and with a safer character build.

    We're going for 18 cleric levels (for strong defenses, immunities, tools, healing options, and summons), 8 mage levels for Mirror Image and Improved Invisibility, and a single level in monk (for evasion and WIS bonuses to AC), and ranger (for feats and access to a mod-exclusive bow and arrow). That'll leave us at level 28, which still gives us some wiggle for future growth.

    StummvonBordwehrGrond0Wise_GrimwaldJuliusBorisov
  • JuliusBorisovJuliusBorisov Member, Administrator, Moderator, Developer Posts: 15,841
    kjeron said:

    @JuliusBorisov
    Tested in 2.3, not beta.
    v2.5b has a partial fix. The dispel was moved up above most effects so that it works properly. It is still preceeded by a few opcode 206 effects, though they may be redundant now, the potion is still dispelling them.

    Can you please report anything that is still missing?

    lolien
  • semiticgodsemiticgod Member, Moderator Posts: 10,118
    Another detail for IWD2 no-reload runs: deafness can block the effects of the Harpy Wail spell. Harpy Wail has a 50% chance of imposing either 5 rounds of stun or 5 rounds of fear, and the former basically means instant death when you're dealing with the numerous Harpies and Earth Elementals in the fight with Mirabel and Majrash. It's a convenient alternative to spell resistance, which should also be able to block the stun effect.

    RaduzielWise_Grimwald
  • RVNSRVNS Member Posts: 257
    So calling on all the super no reload masters here. I was thinking of farming ankhegs. What is the most efficient way to do this in scs? Also as I recall Silke on scs is pretty rough customer early on. Any advice there?

  • RVNSRVNS Member Posts: 257
    @Grond0 Both of those sound excellent. I will give them a whirl. I will have a full party before tackling these so I don't think either will matter much it seems

    JuliusBorisovlolien
  • EnuhalEnuhal Member Posts: 361
    Mh, too bad. I was really looking forward to that one being fixed, because I really hate reloading in my no-reload games, even if its justified. Thanks for keeping us up to date.

    JuliusBorisovsemiticgodWise_Grimwaldlolien
  • Corey_RussellCorey_Russell Member Posts: 519
    Yes thanks for the update @JuliusBorisov - I haven't done a ton of EE runs yet, so haven't run across it, but many have. Guess, if someone just doesn't want that bug, they may have to run the original BG. :smiley:

    JuliusBorisovWise_Grimwald
  • JuliusBorisovJuliusBorisov Member, Administrator, Moderator, Developer Posts: 15,841
    I'm not sure that problem wasn't present in the original game, though.

  • Serg_BlackStriderSerg_BlackStrider Member Posts: 131

    I'm not sure that problem wasn't present in the original game, though.

    For all this years and uncountable runs, from the very release of original BG, through the EasyTUTU and now BGT, I have not encountered this particular bug even once...

    Corey_RussellJuliusBorisovEnuhalWise_Grimwald
  • Corey_RussellCorey_Russell Member Posts: 519
    I have never encountered this bug in the original either (I've done at least 100 runs in original) - at the BioWare forums, we only noticed it happening with EE runs.

    JuliusBorisovGrond0EnuhalWise_Grimwald
  • Wise_GrimwaldWise_Grimwald Member Posts: 1,794
    edited May 1
    I have installed EET and am having difficulty finding the way to the area where there are sirines, a shipwreck, and mad Arcand. I have even been asked to go there by somebody who badly wants a red bag from there but none of the areas nearby seem to open up that area. :( I have never had problems getting there before this installation.

  • NeverusedNeverused Member Posts: 551
    That area is normally accessible by heading West from High Hedge. If it's not... your install might be messed up worse than mine.
    :tongue:

    lolien
  • Wise_GrimwaldWise_Grimwald Member Posts: 1,794
    Neverused said:

    That area is normally accessible by heading West from High Hedge. If it's not... your install might be messed up worse than mine.
    :tongue:

    That was MOST helpful. :) In other set-ups it was much easier to get there.

    lolien
  • NeverusedNeverused Member Posts: 551
    I'm approaching the ScS Unseeing Eye: this is the version with the two instasummon Death Tyrants, right? How the heck do you all tackle this encounter safely?

  • Corey_RussellCorey_Russell Member Posts: 519
    Question: I am at Spellhold and got teleported outside. But I went inside to loot Jon's office. But when I check my inventory, I see I no longer have the Wardstone. I have no idea where it went, but won't I die if I try to get back to Brynnlaw? I have to take the Underdark portal right? In EE, do you lose the Wardstone? How can you ever go with Saemon then?

    JuliusBorisov
  • Corey_RussellCorey_Russell Member Posts: 519
    @Grond0 I see. Well in the future, I just won't loot Jon's office again, if I am intending to go with Sameon. So I'll load the auto-save before entering Spellhold, double-check I have the Wardstone, then go with Sameon. If I don't have it even then, then will just take the Underdark Portal.

    JuliusBorisovlolien
  • IncasIncas Member Posts: 33
    What's the most stable and bug free, i.e. safe way to play SCS atm?
    1. EET + BWS + SCS
    2. The EE games seperately
    3. The classic games with BGT/BWS & SCS

    Want to try a new no reload run.

    JuliusBorisov
  • EnuhalEnuhal Member Posts: 361
    I recently completed a full SCS playthrough with the current patch, using the EE games. I installed SCS/Ascension/Jimfix via BWS, but I didn't install EET. Mostly bug-free, but two things can be quite annoying: a) the "grayed out portraits instant death bug" which only ever happens in Durlag's Tower for me and b) a bug when fighting dragons, as they would constantly (as in, many times per round) recast spell deflection, which resulted in heavy lags and some crashes during some of the dragon battles - which can be frustrating. The first bug is universal to the EE games (and everyone agrees that it justifies a reload, as there is no way to prevent it), but I don't remember many reports of the second one. I think there are a few more bugs if EET is included into the mix, if I remember some other runs from different people corrently.

    Classic BGT+SCS should still work very well overall, but, of course, there's no option to add SoD into the mix, which can be an interesting no-reload experience depending on the difficulty setting (insane with turned-off extra damage is a decent choice imo).

    AerakarStummvonBordwehrJuliusBorisovlolien
  • IncasIncas Member Posts: 33
    I haven't even played SoD until now. I look forward to playing it blind. I think I'll keep it at core for the first time. :)

    The bugs sound scary but at least somewhat rare.

    Wise_Grimwaldlolien
  • Grond0Grond0 Member Posts: 3,645
    I've played extensively with a BGT system and with separate modded EE games (I haven't tried EET). My impression is that the options are pretty similar in terms of the stability and bugginess of the game - the EE has solved many problems, but introduced others as well and I think it's still just as prone to crashing. As @Enuhal says though the EE offers the chance to play SoD and it's also significantly extended the modding possibilities, so some changes will only work there (that's not an issue if you're only using SCS though).

    AerakarJuliusBorisovWise_Grimwaldlolien
  • Wise_GrimwaldWise_Grimwald Member Posts: 1,794
    edited June 23
    With regards to mods and Sil.

    In my last set-up I was able to make friends with Sil. She had previously met a man who died of a broken heart. By being like him Sil liked me and gave me a cloak which protected from cold. Does anyone know which mod it was.

    Currently I have only one where Sil is not hostile if you kill the pirates, but no reward. The cloak is not the main thing, though it was useful. The main thing that I liked about my last set-up was the story line. I am wondering if it was BG1 Romantic Encounters. If so, it was one of the few romantic encounters as opposed to lustful encounters.

    lolien
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